Comments on: All About Dub: New Instant Dubstation (Mac/Win), Dub History [Updated] http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:35:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Guest http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1397 Guest Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:21:54 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1397 I think Mark Stewart (Pop Group, etc)and Adrian Sherwood (On-U) were pretty big innovators in dub advancement. Obviously the hard work was done previously.. but they took it somewhere else. Very else in the case of Mark Stewart. I think Mark Stewart (Pop Group, etc)and Adrian Sherwood (On-U) were pretty big innovators in dub advancement. Obviously the hard work was done previously.. but they took it somewhere else. Very else in the case of Mark Stewart.

]]> By: admin http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1396 admin Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:44:36 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1396 No, I'll concur with those recommendations. My mention of Thievery Corp was only as guys using these techniques with software, with -- I would argue -- some success. I'm not a big fan, necessarily, but I think the latest album has matured. And I would never hold them up as an example of dub per se, just people mixing it with other techniques. But for people applying these techniques to, well, plugins, they certainly come to mind. That said, I agree, on artistic merit the other folks deserve credit. I'll admit, I did this entry in a hurry, and didn't think it through. But I'm glad I did, anyway -- it started an interesting discussion. Anyway, most of my listening tends toward the really old stuff -- so I'm trying to think about how you could make this effect sound radically different, which for me will probably mean chaining it into some digital effects. I'll get back to you. It won't sound like TC, or the Orb. Peter No, I’ll concur with those recommendations.

My mention of Thievery Corp was only as guys using these techniques with software, with — I would argue — some success. I’m not a big fan, necessarily, but I think the latest album has matured. And I would never hold them up as an example of dub per se, just people mixing it with other techniques. But for people applying these techniques to, well, plugins, they certainly come to mind.

That said, I agree, on artistic merit the other folks deserve credit.

I’ll admit, I did this entry in a hurry, and didn’t think it through. But I’m glad I did, anyway — it started an interesting discussion.

Anyway, most of my listening tends toward the really old stuff — so I’m trying to think about how you could make this effect sound radically different, which for me will probably mean chaining it into some digital effects. I’ll get back to you. It won’t sound like TC, or the Orb.

Peter

]]> By: Guest http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1395 Guest Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:15:46 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1395 Yeah, Peter, I don't mean to dis on your taste, but I have to agree with the last one. There are a lot of artists who are much more worthy of picking out for their appropriation of dub. It's such an extensive topic because it's a production technique that can be reinvented endlessly and has been. Moritz Von Oswald and Mark Ernestus (I mentioned above) are a perfect example by taking Detroit techno and mixing it with jamaican dub production techniques and basically inventing a new genre that is still being expanded today. In the early 90s, for electronic music, the Orb (with Thomas Fehlmann) as one of numerous examples definitely had a significant dub element. In the rock arena, you can go back to "Metal Box" by Public Image Limited from the late 70s. Basically, those guys were listening to dub on pirate radio stations in the UK and it became a important influence on their work. This follows through to the whole post-rock movement of the 90s as well. Yeah, Peter, I don’t mean to dis on your taste, but I have to agree with the last one. There are a lot of artists who are much more worthy of picking out for their appropriation of dub. It’s such an extensive topic because it’s a production technique that can be reinvented endlessly and has been.
Moritz Von Oswald and Mark Ernestus (I mentioned above) are a perfect example by taking Detroit techno and mixing it with jamaican dub production techniques and basically inventing a new genre that is still being expanded today. In the early 90s, for electronic music, the Orb (with Thomas Fehlmann) as one of numerous examples definitely had a significant dub element.
In the rock arena, you can go back to “Metal Box” by Public Image Limited from the late 70s. Basically, those guys were listening to dub on pirate radio stations in the UK and it became a important influence on their work. This follows through to the whole post-rock movement of the 90s as well.

]]> By: Guest http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1394 Guest Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:54:22 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1394 Please someone tell me i haven't found a person that actually _likes_ Thievery Corporation?!?! dead music for empty men dying of boredom. It's like they've meticulously gone through their music looking for anything with personality, depth, spirit or originality, and then taken them out and replaced it all with predictable riffs and pointless sickening mediocrity. Entirely forgettable. what's the point? In the history of Dub there are so many other visionaries, explorers and legends worth learning from! Please someone tell me i haven’t found a person that actually _likes_ Thievery Corporation?!?! dead music for empty men dying of boredom. It’s like they’ve meticulously gone through their music looking for anything with personality, depth, spirit or originality, and then taken them out and replaced it all with predictable riffs and pointless sickening mediocrity. Entirely forgettable. what’s the point? In the history of Dub there are so many other visionaries, explorers and legends worth learning from!

]]> By: Guest http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1393 Guest Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:42:54 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1393 three in a row three in a row

]]> By: Guest http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1392 Guest Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:03:35 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1392 I second that! I second that!

]]> By: Guest http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1391 Guest Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:11:56 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/08/30/all-about-dub-new-instant-dubstation-macwin-dub-history-updated/#comment-1391 :p Thievery Corporation? Dude, get with the Rhythm and Sound/Basic Channel/Chain Reaction axis. :p Thievery Corporation?
Dude, get with the Rhythm and Sound/Basic Channel/Chain Reaction axis.

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