Comments on: Fun in the Lab: NI LabVIEW, Meet Standard Windows, Mac Audio Hardware; Cheap Academic Deal http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:05:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: RyanB http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/#comment-400623 RyanB Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:11:54 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/#comment-400623 Having used LabView in school and just recently starting to dabble with MaxMSP, LabView wins hands down as a language. It isn't that Max is bad -- in fact there are many things that I think it is great with -- LabView is just that good at some things. LabView is designed as a visual language providing many of the traditional sorts of constructs. Max makes some things very difficult... it is almost non-deterministic when you try to figure out what value will appear on a gate. Going through the trace, you will see times when a value will propagate through different logic gates, and will trigger a bang before the value is even written into the gate for pass through. Coming from LabView, that's just a bizarre way to do it. I know there is an order of right to left, bottom to top, but that doesn't always make it easy to figure out how things are triggered at a glance. LabView isn't perfect and has the opposite problem of holding until it gets all the input data it needs, but at least it is relatively easy to figure out what signal you're going to see on a line. That said, Max has many more ready made "tools" for tweaking audio and video, so as an industry standard, it is the current system to learn. Having used LabView in school and just recently starting to dabble with MaxMSP, LabView wins hands down as a language. It isn’t that Max is bad — in fact there are many things that I think it is great with — LabView is just that good at some things. LabView is designed as a visual language providing many of the traditional sorts of constructs. Max makes some things very difficult… it is almost non-deterministic when you try to figure out what value will appear on a gate. Going through the trace, you will see times when a value will propagate through different logic gates, and will trigger a bang before the value is even written into the gate for pass through. Coming from LabView, that’s just a bizarre way to do it. I know there is an order of right to left, bottom to top, but that doesn’t always make it easy to figure out how things are triggered at a glance. LabView isn’t perfect and has the opposite problem of holding until it gets all the input data it needs, but at least it is relatively easy to figure out what signal you’re going to see on a line.
That said, Max has many more ready made “tools” for tweaking audio and video, so as an industry standard, it is the current system to learn.

]]> By: Kevin http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/#comment-14830 Kevin Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:11:29 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/#comment-14830 How does Labview compare with Max/MSP? Could Labview be made Max/MSP-like with a minimum of effort? How hard would it be to write a looper with LabView? Cheers, Kevin How does Labview compare with Max/MSP?

Could Labview be made Max/MSP-like with a minimum of effort?

How hard would it be to write a looper with LabView?

Cheers,
Kevin

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/#comment-14828 Peter Kirn Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:51:20 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/#comment-14828 Thanks, Silvio! If any of you get this working (Tim?) and do anything interesting with the synthesis aspect, do let me know! I'd love to hear music composed in LabVIEW. ;) Thanks, Silvio!

If any of you get this working (Tim?) and do anything interesting with the synthesis aspect, do let me know! I’d love to hear music composed in LabVIEW. ;)

]]> By: Silvio Macedo http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/#comment-14827 Silvio Macedo Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:32:34 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/#comment-14827 Just a tip for LabView starters: a quite encompassing forum for LabView questions and sample code is at http://forums.lavag.org though it's mainly for professionals... (I'm in no way affiliated; site is not owned by National Instruments, nor Calmetric) Silvio Just a tip for LabView starters: a quite encompassing forum for LabView questions and sample code is at
http://forums.lavag.org
though it’s mainly for professionals…
(I’m in no way affiliated; site is not owned by National Instruments, nor Calmetric)
Silvio

]]> By: Tim Thompson http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/#comment-14784 Tim Thompson Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:05:46 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/#comment-14784 Believe it or not, I have a copy of LabVIEW sitting in my office with a nice big paperback textbook to go along with it. I have been meaning to play around with it, but haven't gotten around to it yet. I ordered an evaluation copy of the student version of the program--a freebie for college professors considering use of the program in courses (well, you never know...;-) I've looked at it enough to know that it's pretty thorough in the audio area, offering various oscillators, FFT tools, sound analysis tools, etc. Oh, and by the way, it runs on both Windows AND OS X. (At least the version I got does). Believe it or not, I have a copy of LabVIEW sitting in my office with a nice big paperback textbook to go along with it. I have been meaning to play around with it, but haven’t gotten around to it yet. I ordered an evaluation copy of the student version of the program–a freebie for college professors considering use of the program in courses (well, you never know…;-)

I’ve looked at it enough to know that it’s pretty thorough in the audio area, offering various oscillators, FFT tools, sound analysis tools, etc. Oh, and by the way, it runs on both Windows AND OS X. (At least the version I got does).

]]> By: david http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/#comment-14782 david Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:09:06 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/26/fun-in-the-lab-ni-labview-meet-standard-windows-audio-hardware/#comment-14782 if you're a student, I am, you can get the $2400 version of this for $89.00 almost cheap enough for an impulse buy if you’re a student, I am, you can get the $2400 version of this for $89.00 almost cheap enough for an impulse buy

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