Comments on: Powerful Piano Tuning on Windows Mobile: Pocket RCT http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:29:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Timothy Pottorff http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-387741 Timothy Pottorff Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:55:37 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-387741 The Verituner leaves the other electronic tuners in the dust....don't waste your time or your breath talking about any of the others...I have seen and heard the results of all of them....THE VERITUNER RULES!!! You can even listen to your MP3 player while you tune with the Verituner....your ears are not necessary. This thing is amazing. The Verituner leaves the other electronic tuners in the dust….don’t waste your time or your breath talking about any of the others…I have seen and heard the results of all of them….THE VERITUNER RULES!!! You can even listen to your MP3 player while you tune with the Verituner….your ears are not necessary. This thing is amazing.

]]> By: Mark Stivers http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-111117 Mark Stivers Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:30:59 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-111117 I have been a professional tuner for 23 years. I've used the Accu-Tuner and Tunelab. As anyone who has tried to tune a piano knows, the main difficulty in tuning is not hearing the right pitch --- it's making a stable adjustment. It takes years to learn that. As Kevin Park wrote above, the overriding goal in tuning is stability. I have never heard a tuner compliment another on his great ears — the compliment is always on the great hammer technique. I have been a professional tuner for 23 years.
I’ve used the Accu-Tuner and Tunelab.
As anyone who has tried to tune a piano knows, the main difficulty in tuning is not hearing the right pitch — it’s making a stable adjustment. It takes years to learn that. As Kevin Park wrote above, the overriding goal in tuning is stability.
I have never heard a tuner compliment another on his great ears — the compliment is always on the great hammer technique.

]]> By: Carl Lumma http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-18648 Carl Lumma Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:39:23 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-18648 Kevin wrote... ""I personally use tunelab on my pocket pc when I'm tuning by machine. I think all these tuning programs are fine (I've used cybertuner and the sanderson accutuner as well) ... It's critical with all these programs that the tuner continues to do aural checks as they are progressing through the piano. These programs can help make a good tuner even better but can’t make a bad tuner good. "" Maybe we should take this to the forums, but while this has long been the case for electronic tuners, it simply isn't the case with the Verituner. Aural checks just aren't needed in the vast majority of cases. You can tune the strings chromatically up the instrument and get better unisons than any pro tuner can do in the timeframe of a typical house call (let alone in-between sets). Piano tuning is now just a solved problem. -Carl Kevin wrote…
“”I personally use tunelab on my pocket pc when I’m tuning by machine. I think all these tuning programs are fine (I’ve used cybertuner and the sanderson accutuner as well) … It’s critical with all these programs that the tuner continues to do aural checks as they are progressing through the piano. These programs can help make a good tuner even better but can’t make a bad tuner good.
“”

Maybe we should take this to the forums, but while this has long been the case for electronic tuners, it simply isn’t the case with the Verituner. Aural checks just aren’t needed in the vast majority of cases. You can tune the strings chromatically up the instrument and get better unisons than any pro tuner can do in the timeframe of a typical house call (let alone in-between sets). Piano tuning is now just a solved problem.

-Carl

]]> By: Kevin Park http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-18330 Kevin Park Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:40:52 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-18330 I personally use tunelab on my pocket pc when I'm tuning by machine. I think all these tuning programs are fine (I've used cybertuner and the sanderson accutuner as well) and personally chose tunelab because of its lower price (piano tuning is not a means to great wealth). It's critical with all these programs that the tuner continues to do aural checks as they are progressing through the piano. These programs can help make a good tuner even better but can't make a bad tuner good. I can't see myself tuning unisons with a machine though. I really have to "hear" a unison into tune. The key to a good unison in my opinion is stability - how well the unison stays in tune after some hard blows. Using hard test blows to set the note and to make sure it's not moving is critical (hence the earplugs), and something a lot of tuners are lazy about (myself included sometimes). That being said, I was not a fan of these programs for a while and now use tunelab regularly. I tune a lot of pianos at studios and it's nice to be able to tune it exactly the same each time. The historical temperaments are cool too. I once tuned a piano in well temperament (this is before I got the machine) for someone who wanted it to play a lot of Bach on. I got a call back in 3 days to put it back in equal temperament. I guess we're all used to equal temperament now, even for a piece like the well-tempered clavier. I personally use tunelab on my pocket pc when I’m tuning by machine. I think all these tuning programs are fine (I’ve used cybertuner and the sanderson accutuner as well) and personally chose tunelab because of its lower price (piano tuning is not a means to great wealth). It’s critical with all these programs that the tuner continues to do aural checks as they are progressing through the piano. These programs can help make a good tuner even better but can’t make a bad tuner good. I can’t see myself tuning unisons with a machine though. I really have to “hear” a unison into tune. The key to a good unison in my opinion is stability - how well the unison stays in tune after some hard blows. Using hard test blows to set the note and to make sure it’s not moving is critical (hence the earplugs), and something a lot of tuners are lazy about (myself included sometimes). That being said, I was not a fan of these programs for a while and now use tunelab regularly. I tune a lot of pianos at studios and it’s nice to be able to tune it exactly the same each time. The historical temperaments are cool too. I once tuned a piano in well temperament (this is before I got the machine) for someone who wanted it to play a lot of Bach on. I got a call back in 3 days to put it back in equal temperament. I guess we’re all used to equal temperament now, even for a piece like the well-tempered clavier.

]]> By: Carl Lumma http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-18184 Carl Lumma Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:13:38 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-18184 There's a lot behind the scenes that makes it better, too. It's the only tuner (human or otherwise) that can turn out great unisons. A friend of mine who's a pro tuner gets better unisons with it than any other tuner I've been able to hire. He wears earplugs to save his ears (tuning pianos for a living can wreck your nerves/hearing). Some folks don't like the idea of a machine doing it. But if computers can beat us at chess, why can't they tune a piano? Note- neither of us are affiliated with Verituner. -Carl There’s a lot behind the scenes that makes it better, too. It’s the only tuner (human or otherwise) that can turn out great unisons. A friend of mine who’s a pro tuner gets better unisons with it than any other tuner I’ve been able to hire. He wears earplugs to save his ears (tuning pianos for a living can wreck your nerves/hearing).

Some folks don’t like the idea of a machine doing it. But if computers can beat us at chess, why can’t they tune a piano?

Note- neither of us are affiliated with Verituner.

-Carl

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-18030 Peter Kirn Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:56:15 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-18030 Thanks for the tip, Carl! Yes, looking at the comparison chart they have, and it indeed looks impressive. Now I just have to get you on for an occasional guest spot. ;) Thanks for the tip, Carl! Yes, looking at the comparison chart they have, and it indeed looks impressive.

Now I just have to get you on for an occasional guest spot. ;)

]]> By: Carl Lumma http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-18028 Carl Lumma Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:43:40 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/18/powerful-piano-tuning-on-windows-mobile-pocket-rct/#comment-18028 Verituner Pocket is much more powerful house for the same amount of money. -C. Verituner Pocket is much more powerful house for the same amount of money.

-C.

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