Comments on: Jamie Lidell on Max/MSP, Artists Talk Max Inspiration, Write Musical Odes to Max http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:53:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: NEEL http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/comment-page-1/#comment-372467 NEEL Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:52:23 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/#comment-372467 everyone who is making this max msp stuff amazes me, until i figure out 100 other ways to do granular or midi stuff, i think max is popular with big names cause they find patches to either modify or work with- might be wrong, but there is alot of programs now, i infact dare someone to say i work with "building blocks" or infinity, why,,,' cause there are no patches out there for those programs although i wonder if there is anything more we can do with sound besides 4'33 performances for audiences who wanna hear clicks and cuts... its all about the melody which is a harder to build patch. just use dblue glitch to fk it up. everyone who is making this max msp stuff amazes me, until i figure out 100 other ways to do granular or midi stuff, i think max is popular with big names cause they find patches to either modify or work with- might be wrong, but there is alot of programs now, i infact dare someone to say i work with “building blocks” or infinity, why,,,’

cause there are no patches out there for those programs

although i wonder if there is anything more we can do with sound besides 4′33 performances for audiences who wanna hear clicks and cuts…

its all about the melody which is a harder to build patch.

just use dblue glitch to fk it up.

]]> By: Pa http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/comment-page-1/#comment-260946 Pa Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:26:22 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/#comment-260946 Cheers for the thoughts Gustavo. Cheers for the thoughts Gustavo.

]]> By: Freethinker http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/comment-page-1/#comment-40925 Freethinker Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:06:36 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/#comment-40925 Well, i've just come across this rubbish after searching for some beginners Max stuff for a friend! I've been using Max/MSP+Jitter for 4 years now, i'm competent but not a "power user" but the ignorance here is incredible enough for me to read through it all and actually reply!!! The Max/MSP "music" which gets out there, (the stuff that's full of bleeps and ticks etc), isn't representitive of the type of stuff that Max is now commonly used for...have any of you heard of Ableton Live? It was originally developed in Max/MSP! Personally i'm a plugin developer, i provide the .dll files that end up in your VST plugins folders and how do i develop them? Use your imaginations! If you're in a creative pit that's your problem but i don't have time to be, i'm too busy developing stuff for that! Most of the musicians out there using Max are in a completely different paradigm to the minds here...so of course without boundaries an empty mind will be without creative capacity. By the way, i'm also a musician too and my side of things represents a lot more than 20% of the Max community! Instead of spouting off without any knowledge of the subject, why not look into the facts first rather than generalising? Well, i’ve just come across this rubbish after searching for some beginners Max stuff for a friend! I’ve been using Max/MSP+Jitter for 4 years now, i’m competent but not a “power user” but the ignorance here is incredible enough for me to read through it all and actually reply!!! The Max/MSP “music” which gets out there, (the stuff that’s full of bleeps and ticks etc), isn’t representitive of the type of stuff that Max is now commonly used for…have any of you heard of Ableton Live? It was originally developed in Max/MSP! Personally i’m a plugin developer, i provide the .dll files that end up in your VST plugins folders and how do i develop them? Use your imaginations! If you’re in a creative pit that’s your problem but i don’t have time to be, i’m too busy developing stuff for that! Most of the musicians out there using Max are in a completely different paradigm to the minds here…so of course without boundaries an empty mind will be without creative capacity. By the way, i’m also a musician too and my side of things represents a lot more than 20% of the Max community! Instead of spouting off without any knowledge of the subject, why not look into the facts first rather than generalising?

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]]> By: links for 2006-08-16 | blog.forret.com http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/comment-page-1/#comment-23785 links for 2006-08-16 | blog.forret.com Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:18:42 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/#comment-23785 [...] Create Digital Music » Jamie Lidell on Max/MSP, Artists Talk Max Inspiration, Write Musical Odes to Max Jamie Lidell talks about approaching Max as a vocalist and being a “one-man funk tornado.� It’s interesting to me that Max/MSP has made the transition with him from his classic IDM style to funk � solid proof that tools are what you make them. (tags: jamielidell maxmsp vocal sequencer sampler) Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...] [...] Create Digital Music » Jamie Lidell on Max/MSP, Artists Talk Max Inspiration, Write Musical Odes to Max Jamie Lidell talks about approaching Max as a vocalist and being a “one-man funk tornado.� It’s interesting to me that Max/MSP has made the transition with him from his classic IDM style to funk � solid proof that tools are what you make them. (tags: jamielidell maxmsp vocal sequencer sampler) Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]

]]> By: Create Digital Music » This Week in Comments http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/comment-page-1/#comment-19628 Create Digital Music » This Week in Comments Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:45:21 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/#comment-19628 [...] “I asked Jamie [Lidell] about his Max patch a while back, being a nosey bugger. He said he made it about 4 years ago and hasn’t really changed it much since. He said it is very, very simple and most people assume it is much more complex than it is; it was about the second thing he ever made. He also said that he had talked to the people from Cycling [’74] about it … and they were more than a little suprised at the brutality and wonkiness of it.” -Angstrom, having discovered that Max/MSP doesn’t have to be a pit you get lost in trying to create something fancy, whatever our readers might think [...] [...] “I asked Jamie [Lidell] about his Max patch a while back, being a nosey bugger. He said he made it about 4 years ago and hasn’t really changed it much since. He said it is very, very simple and most people assume it is much more complex than it is; it was about the second thing he ever made. He also said that he had talked to the people from Cycling [’74] about it … and they were more than a little suprised at the brutality and wonkiness of it.” -Angstrom, having discovered that Max/MSP doesn’t have to be a pit you get lost in trying to create something fancy, whatever our readers might think [...]

]]> By: Hawk http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/comment-page-1/#comment-19399 Hawk Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:50:52 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/#comment-19399 I came across this discussion as part of my never-ending quest for interesting music/art production tools and techniques. I find in refreshing to even see/hear anyone discussing the basic question of being creative. We live in a time where the tools for creating are very powerful, but as humans we are bound to the level of understanding that we are comfortable with. The individuals that are driven to reach the edges and be really creative have always been a small percentage. It takes a type of questioning and effort that most people to not get to, unless pushed or driven by some unique circumstance. Personally I would prefer to be motivated by inspiration than tragedy (having experienced both). I believe that this truly creative mode can be taught and/or cultivated by coming in contact with someone who is operating from that place. There is a magnetic dynamic about encountering someone creative. It is life affirming and basically feels good. It adds fun and pleasure to life, which is the payoff for making the effort to stand outside the knowns of the mainstream in one’s culture. Having said this...I feel that it really does not matter if you are tweaking hardware or software...they are both just different tools for being creative. What matters is what you do with them. They reflect different aspects of your total being...hardware being perhaps more physical, where software is perhaps more mental...but we are all operating on both levels all the time anyway. It is in the mixture that we define ourselves. Historically, it has always been the exploration by the small percentage of individuals that push the envelope of understanding in any area that shapes the culture and lives of everyone else. This is why it is important. We are only limited by our understanding...and those who make the effort to enhance or enlarge that understanding provide a valuable service to the mainstream of everyone else. I commend you all for having this discussion and having opinions to express. Truthfully this is vital stuff. I came across this discussion as part of my never-ending quest for interesting music/art production tools and techniques. I find in refreshing to even see/hear anyone discussing the basic question of being creative. We live in a time where the tools for creating are very powerful, but as humans we are bound to the level of understanding that we are comfortable with. The individuals that are driven to reach the edges and be really creative have always been a small percentage. It takes a type of questioning and effort that most people to not get to, unless pushed or driven by some unique circumstance. Personally I would prefer to be motivated by inspiration than tragedy (having experienced both). I believe that this truly creative mode can be taught and/or cultivated by coming in contact with someone who is operating from that place. There is a magnetic dynamic about encountering someone creative. It is life affirming and basically feels good. It adds fun and pleasure to life, which is the payoff for making the effort to stand outside the knowns of the mainstream in one’s culture. Having said this…I feel that it really does not matter if you are tweaking hardware or software…they are both just different tools for being creative. What matters is what you do with them. They reflect different aspects of your total being…hardware being perhaps more physical, where software is perhaps more mental…but we are all operating on both levels all the time anyway. It is in the mixture that we define ourselves. Historically, it has always been the exploration by the small percentage of individuals that push the envelope of understanding in any area that shapes the culture and lives of everyone else. This is why it is important. We are only limited by our understanding…and those who make the effort to enhance or enlarge that understanding provide a valuable service to the mainstream of everyone else. I commend you all for having this discussion and having opinions to express. Truthfully this is vital stuff.

]]> By: proem http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/comment-page-1/#comment-19035 proem Sat, 22 Jul 2006 01:07:49 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/#comment-19035 ive never known anything but software... mostly because of financial limitations of course now that i can afford to drop money on things i tend to buy vsts and weird controllers... max/msp reaktor pd supercollider are all nice and dandy and excellent for adding a little bit of life to the mix from a creator stand point. a good bit of randomness here and there makes for a non-boring 12-18 hour production session and thats all im gonna say about that that and "why is there not a forum post about this already?" ive never known anything but software…
mostly because of financial limitations
of course now that i can afford to drop money on things i tend to buy vsts and weird controllers…

max/msp reaktor pd supercollider are all nice and dandy and excellent for adding a little bit of life to the mix from a creator stand point.
a good bit of randomness here and there makes for a non-boring 12-18 hour production session

and thats all im gonna say about that

that and “why is there not a forum post about this already?”

]]> By: G-ravity http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/comment-page-1/#comment-18957 G-ravity Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:22:22 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/#comment-18957 Nice post, Gustavo! Nice post, Gustavo!

]]> By: Gustavo http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/comment-page-1/#comment-18953 Gustavo Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:23:16 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/19/jamie-lidell-on-maxmsp-artists-talk-max-inspiration-write-musical-odes-to-max/#comment-18953 I guess I came across as trying to fuel the "hardware vs. software" debate. That wasn't my intent at all. I am very much a software person too - every single one of my 5 releases has everything from Ableton to Reaktor and was mixed in Logic. My Nord modular is my best friend - and that's a software synth in hardware. :) I've worked at many of the big companies in the music tech industry - from designing user interfaces to designing midi interfaces. I teach music production classes, and do tutoring, as well as get hired to do remixes and engineering for people. Software is vital for that. But I am exposed to a lot of people who use more abstract software generators as a replacement for writing melodic content, or use randomness as a arrangement tool. That's fine in an intellectual level, but you reach a point very quickly where it's really not enough. I'm friends with a lot of the more serious MSP heads - I'd rather not drop names, but they work at c74 and have put out some of the most amazing music I've heard in the last few years. And guess what? One of them is just doing mastering now, since he's not very interested in doing that type of music anymore. Another has been learning the piano. Another is trying to add more vocals and other performance elements, etc. Basically, software is so open-ended that before you know it you've dissapeared up your own ass, and lost any contact with what makes music important in the first place. Set some limits. Be productive. Finish your tracks. I guess I came across as trying to fuel the “hardware vs. software” debate. That wasn’t my intent at all.

I am very much a software person too – every single one of my 5 releases has everything from Ableton to Reaktor and was mixed in Logic. My Nord modular is my best friend – and that’s a software synth in hardware. :)

I’ve worked at many of the big companies in the music tech industry – from designing user interfaces to designing midi interfaces. I teach music production classes, and do tutoring, as well as get hired to do remixes and engineering for people. Software is vital for that.

But I am exposed to a lot of people who use more abstract software generators as a replacement for writing melodic content, or use randomness as a arrangement tool. That’s fine in an intellectual level, but you reach a point very quickly where it’s really not enough.

I’m friends with a lot of the more serious MSP heads – I’d rather not drop names, but they work at c74 and have put out some of the most amazing music I’ve heard in the last few years. And guess what? One of them is just doing mastering now, since he’s not very interested in doing that type of music anymore. Another has been learning the piano. Another is trying to add more vocals and other performance elements, etc.

Basically, software is so open-ended that before you know it you’ve dissapeared up your own ass, and lost any contact with what makes music important in the first place.

Set some limits. Be productive. Finish your tracks.

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