Comments on: AES: Native Instruments - Stanton Final Scratch Breakup

By: DJ Galloway

DJ Galloway — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:57:07 +0000

Well guys, I’ve put sown F/S 2 and got Traktor Scratch. It runs laps around F/S and Serato.

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» Post Topic » Digital Djing Status Quo aus gegebenem Anlaß — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:50:43 +0000

[...] Weiter geht’s in der Evolution. Wie bereits berichtet hat M-Audio hat gerade Torq auf den Markt gebracht, ein weiteres Produkt das auf Controlvinyls setzt, aber zudem rewirefähig ist, VST-Plugins aufnimmt und auch mit Midicontrollern arbeitet. Die ersten Berichte klingen recht positiv, wenn auch das Killerfeature Rewire (z.B. um Torq und Ableton als Performancecombi zu nutzen) ernüchternderweise keine Vinyltimecontrol zuzulassen scheint. Aber die Konkurrenz schläft nicht und so weiß Creative Digital Music zu berichten, das die FinalScratchEhe von Native Instruments und Stanton wohl kurz vor der Scheidung steht . Native Instruments will sich in Zukunft auf Traktor konzentrieren und dazu eigene Hardware liefern. Zitat dazu aus einer Pressemitteilung, die mir leider nicht vorliegt: In the future, the DJ Division of Native Instruments will completely concentrate its operations on the TRAKTOR platform, and will also develop integrated solutions for the DJ market based on its own internal hardware engineering capabilities and expertise. [...]

By: DJ Galloway

DJ Galloway — Sun, 01 Jul 2007 03:34:52 +0000

I’ve owned FS 2 for 2 1/2 years now, and have had no problems. I just need to know if Stanton will be upgrading it’s product themselves.

By: Peter Kirn

Peter Kirn — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 19:46:26 +0000

For the record, MIDI is also capable of the same accuracy (in terms of # of steps). It’s just generally, for convenience, lower-resolution data is used. But yes, assigning certain controls … like filter sweep or even the crossfader … could provide a nicer feel, sure.

By: Alfred

Alfred — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 19:42:46 +0000

The fact that the Kore controller isn’t midi but another much more detailed/accurate technology is quite interesting DJ wise. If NI have made one such controller then they could make another one for Traktor with very tactile feel.

By: David Alvarado

David Alvarado — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:46:53 +0000

I’ve been using Final Scratch since day one. As one of the original beta testers I’ve seen it evolve. The biggest problem as a touring dj is the inconsitancy from club to club of the turntables. That is the weakest link in the chain. I’ve had a hard time leaving the FS vinyl at home and have thanked God for the Traktor platform when the timecode gets forever lost in mid set (reverting to key commands to mix). The power of the Traktor platform has left me seriously thinking of ditching the FS all together anyways..but..and I say but..nobody has addressed the power of the platform with any decent midi controller. That and the fact that the damn FS2 scratchamp would never (and now ever) work right with the Mac’s leaves me in a daunting position..hopefully this break up will only flame the solutions and evolution of the 2 ground breaking ideas into some usefull and open ended in its possabilites.

By: Valis

Valis — Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:58:57 +0000

I think the latency issues existed in older versions and is why they were stuck on Linux for some time? There is still some effective latency now but in digital systems today you can’t eliminate that, only minimize it. Just like playing any other instrument once you go below a certain threshold things become much more fluid.

I think that the part about NI attempting to do a control surface is sadly buried beyond the main page of the article, because imo this market could be completely CORNERED through using an input fader for pitch that has higher resolution (OSC) than typical MIDI controller resolution. Certainly the layout of the rest of the controller is important as well if you want to replicate all of the traktor functions, but a high resolution fader could completely eliminate the turntable. Currently to use Traktor without final scratch input you’ll probably have to map course & fine pitch both, and constrain the range of the fine pitch. With a programmable controller you can setup your faders to send pitch bend data rather than midi cc or note values and help matters considerably.

A lot of the dj’s I know in Cali are also moving to (or have moved to) Rane/Serato In addition to iTunes integration (which bores me personally) and better standalone hardware, the TTM-57 mixer is in more & more club installations. Personally I use CDJ’s when I DJ because I dislike mucking around with connecting gear on whatever random setup I’m standing in front of, but the TTM-57 is appealing for a gigging dj because you simply step up & connect a single data cable to the laptop (you only need the software, not the standalone serato interface). However it’s doubtful that the mixer will become the default standard everywhere in the world.

On a different tack, I can also see a market for NI if they can partner ‘Traktor 3 LE’ (or current ver) with a very cost effective consumer grade interface. $150 or so would be a killer deal for the dabbling dj.

By: Damon

Damon — Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:14:54 +0000

I’m no DJ and have never used dj gear, but I have heard there are latency issues with the Stanton rig. And knowing how finicky are the NI people, might they have parted with Stanton over such issues as latency and quality? I wonder if NI is going to build their own hardware controller that may be more compatible with their own software. I can’t think of anything more frustrating to a DJ than latency while trying to get that scratchy feeling. PUSH PUSH…………..(steps out to the bathroom, comes back from the bathroom)………….scratch scratch…