Comments on: Universal, Microsoft Screw Over Artists, Set Absurd and Dangerous Precedent with Zune http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:21:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Mubai http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-391110 Mubai Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:43:30 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-391110 Hey guys, you no longer have to worry so much about the poor, penniless artists. An excerpt from a NY Times article: "Universal, which releases recordings from acts like U2 and Jay-Z, said it would pay half of what it receives on the device to its artists." Hey guys, you no longer have to worry so much about the poor, penniless artists. An excerpt from a NY Times article:

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]]> By: Create Digital Music » Digital Music, Universal, and Why Water is Thicker Than Coke http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-334757 Create Digital Music » Digital Music, Universal, and Why Water is Thicker Than Coke Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:32:21 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-334757 [...] As it happens, Universal’s digital music schemes seem to be a decent start strategically. They have two prongs: one, distribute music, DRM-free, in multiple stores, breaking up the Apple iTunes/iPod monopoly with music that can be bought and played everywhere. Two, provide subscription music, with DRM, for free, subsidized by hardware manufacturers. Now, if the subsidy makes business sense for manufacturers, I honestly don’t see anything wrong with that. Universal ransomed Microsoft over the Zune, which I personally found ridiculous, but now at least the hardware makers get something in return. And while DRM on music you’ve paid for, on subscription services it actually makes some sense. In fact, usually if you really grow attached to music and want to make it mobile, you’d then buy non-DRMed music. Problem solved. [...] [...] As it happens, Universal’s digital music schemes seem to be a decent start strategically. They have two prongs: one, distribute music, DRM-free, in multiple stores, breaking up the Apple iTunes/iPod monopoly with music that can be bought and played everywhere. Two, provide subscription music, with DRM, for free, subsidized by hardware manufacturers. Now, if the subsidy makes business sense for manufacturers, I honestly don’t see anything wrong with that. Universal ransomed Microsoft over the Zune, which I personally found ridiculous, but now at least the hardware makers get something in return. And while DRM on music you’ve paid for, on subscription services it actually makes some sense. In fact, usually if you really grow attached to music and want to make it mobile, you’d then buy non-DRMed music. Problem solved. [...]

]]> By: Alanat Coop News » Universal Not Renewing Annual iTunes Contract http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-326971 Alanat Coop News » Universal Not Renewing Annual iTunes Contract Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:12:57 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-326971 [...] «createdigitalmusic.com» said at the time they believe its purpose may have been to generate a new revenue source for UMG that the publisher did not have to subdivide for the sake of its artists. [...] [...] «createdigitalmusic.com» said at the time they believe its purpose may have been to generate a new revenue source for UMG that the publisher did not have to subdivide for the sake of its artists. [...]

]]> By: » Post Topic » Zune http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-254077 » Post Topic » Zune Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:21:34 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-254077 [...] Ups, Update nach Diktat: Bei Creative Digital Music geht’s um das gleiche nur noch viel ausführlicher [...] [...] Ups, Update nach Diktat: Bei Creative Digital Music geht’s um das gleiche nur noch viel ausführlicher [...]

]]> By: Houston Stackhouse http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-57040 Houston Stackhouse Sat, 02 Dec 2006 13:30:43 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-57040 Nice post, lotta good comments; its good to see some folks are outraged at the shyster tactics of the major record labels. Here's an interesting quote from the USAToday article: "Absent a deal with Universal, Microsoft faced the prospect of unveiling Zune without content from the world's biggest recording company, home to artists such as U2, Eminem and Shania Twain. Morris said the agreement with Microsoft marks a turning point in how the company will approach similar deals in the future. "I don't want any business built on our music without getting paid a part of the business," he said." I knew Doug Morris and his ilk were arrogant and greedy, but this pronuncement still shocked me. Morris doesn't even bother with the usual,"Our feeling is that..." spin, he goes straight to telling us everything will be done HIS way from now on. So, yeah, OBVIOUSLY Universal and the other major labels are going to demand the same deal from Apple when they re-negotiate. And while they're at it, they want variable pricing, too, remember last year? If the labels take this all or nothing approach, Apple may be forced to go along. And if iTunes prices go up, no one will pay for online music anymore, everything will be pirated. Everyone loses, but the record labels just love cutting off their noses just to spite their face. Remember what a failure Rhapsody and PressPlay were? So the obvious solution to take now - boycott Zune!!! It's ridiculous to argue the merits of the Zune on ANY basis other than a means of extortion. Let Microsoft know why the Zune must fail. I know Zune sales are dismal anyway, but there should be no one buying these things at all so that Microsoft and Universal get the message. Nice post, lotta good comments; its good to see some folks are outraged at the shyster tactics of the major record labels. Here’s an interesting quote from the USAToday article:

“Absent a deal with Universal, Microsoft faced the prospect of unveiling Zune without content from the world’s biggest recording company, home to artists such as U2, Eminem and Shania Twain.

Morris said the agreement with Microsoft marks a turning point in how the company will approach similar deals in the future.

“I don’t want any business built on our music without getting paid a part of the business,” he said.”

I knew Doug Morris and his ilk were arrogant and greedy, but this pronuncement still shocked me. Morris doesn’t even bother with the usual,”Our feeling is that…” spin, he goes straight to telling us everything will be done HIS way from now on.

So, yeah, OBVIOUSLY Universal and the other major labels are going to demand the same deal from Apple when they re-negotiate. And while they’re at it, they want variable pricing, too, remember last year?

If the labels take this all or nothing approach, Apple may be forced to go along. And if iTunes prices go up, no one will pay for online music anymore, everything will be pirated. Everyone loses, but the record labels just love cutting off their noses just to spite their face. Remember what a failure Rhapsody and PressPlay were?

So the obvious solution to take now - boycott Zune!!! It’s ridiculous to argue the merits of the Zune on ANY basis other than a means of extortion. Let Microsoft know why the Zune must fail. I know Zune sales are dismal anyway, but there should be no one buying these things at all so that Microsoft and Universal get the message.

]]> By: Diego http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-51046 Diego Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:07:08 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-51046 You may find this interesting. http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,20713160%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html You may find this interesting.

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]]> By: deb http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-50644 deb Mon, 13 Nov 2006 04:07:23 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-50644 hi everyone i hope this is not too off topic, but i did see the link to save the music in the article, so i thought i would share this: http://www.artscancircle.ca/ run by a personal friend of mine. donations greatly appreciated and help teach music to at risk first nations youth. thanks hi everyone
i hope this is not too off topic, but i did see the link to save the music in the article, so i thought i would share this:
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]]> By: HesunKahvila #36 - SpeakersCorner #16 at HessunKahvila http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-50380 HesunKahvila #36 - SpeakersCorner #16 at HessunKahvila Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:37:59 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-50380 [...] Asiahakemisto eli ohjelmamerkinnät Macci keskustelua. Historiaa ja nykypäivää. Ennen PowerBookitkin oli titaania ja miehet rautaa. Flickr yrittää patentoida kiinnostavuuden (linkki) Vista on valmis! Mitä nyt? Suojaamaton langaton verkko = porsaanreikä tekijänoikeuslakiin? (Linkki) Senseo-isänpäivä-terveiset PodFatherille Browserien nopeuskilpailut (Linkki) 3G ja puhepaketti rules OK! HKSC -pätkimisongelman selitys Google Custom Searchiin perustuva Torrent haku (Linkki) Podcast search löytää…jotain (Linkki) SantaSport 3 IskuVolley 1 Pari valittua sanaa podcast markkinoinnista ja mainonnasta MacBookkia pukkaa. Jaksaako Hessukaan enään innostua? (Linkki) Podcasting skenen Pikku G rules! Ei siitä Microsoftin podcast hommasta tuu mitään… Reaaliaikainen vaalimainos puskee HKSC -lähetykseen (Linkki) Podcast nimeltään PodPäivä (Linkki) Time valinnut vuoden 2006 keksinnöksi SinäPutken (Linkki) Miksi YouTubesta tuli se mikä siitä tuli? Mentos karkit Cokis pulloon (Linkki) Water Rocket (Linkki) Universal ja Microsoft kompukseen (Linkki) Kenen taskuun massi virtaa? Miksi artisti aina maksaa? Palaute purske Ohjelmassa kerrotut väärät nettiosoitteet jatkuvat… forum.hessunkahvila.com (dough!) Ubuntu asennus puhuttaa helppoudellaan Grande loppukevennys (Linkki) [...] [...] Asiahakemisto eli ohjelmamerkinnät Macci keskustelua. Historiaa ja nykypäivää. Ennen PowerBookitkin oli titaania ja miehet rautaa. Flickr yrittää patentoida kiinnostavuuden (linkki) Vista on valmis! Mitä nyt? Suojaamaton langaton verkko = porsaanreikä tekijänoikeuslakiin? (Linkki) Senseo-isänpäivä-terveiset PodFatherille Browserien nopeuskilpailut (Linkki) 3G ja puhepaketti rules OK! HKSC -pätkimisongelman selitys Google Custom Searchiin perustuva Torrent haku (Linkki) Podcast search löytää…jotain (Linkki) SantaSport 3 IskuVolley 1 Pari valittua sanaa podcast markkinoinnista ja mainonnasta MacBookkia pukkaa. Jaksaako Hessukaan enään innostua? (Linkki) Podcasting skenen Pikku G rules! Ei siitä Microsoftin podcast hommasta tuu mitään… Reaaliaikainen vaalimainos puskee HKSC -lähetykseen (Linkki) Podcast nimeltään PodPäivä (Linkki) Time valinnut vuoden 2006 keksinnöksi SinäPutken (Linkki) Miksi YouTubesta tuli se mikä siitä tuli? Mentos karkit Cokis pulloon (Linkki) Water Rocket (Linkki) Universal ja Microsoft kompukseen (Linkki) Kenen taskuun massi virtaa? Miksi artisti aina maksaa? Palaute purske Ohjelmassa kerrotut väärät nettiosoitteet jatkuvat… forum.hessunkahvila.com (dough!) Ubuntu asennus puhuttaa helppoudellaan Grande loppukevennys (Linkki) [...]

]]> By: Nordquist Blog » Microsoft gets taste of own medicine http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-49785 Nordquist Blog » Microsoft gets taste of own medicine Sun, 12 Nov 2006 08:24:08 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-49785 [...] Update: Microsoft/Universal agreement screws over artist according to Peter Kirn [...] [...] Update: Microsoft/Universal agreement screws over artist according to Peter Kirn [...]

]]> By: 33Nick http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-49285 33Nick Sun, 12 Nov 2006 00:26:03 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/09/universal-microsoft-screw-over-artists-set-absurd-and-dangerous-precedent-with-zune/#comment-49285 Reason 5,749,387 for not buying that piece of ready to create another MS monopoly. There is no depth to how low MS can sink and every time I am surprised. First getting everyone to join the Play For Sure pr pitche, then turning their backs on everyone by havong Zune run WMP, then cozying up to despicable Novel to pay rolyalties for supposedly Linux IPs, then turn around and court more linux distros, then lick Universal's boots just to get a foot in the door. And watch out for Universal getting ripped off at one point or another by MS. Universal is an old rigid business model that can't adapt to modern rimes. I agree with the author that paying for music in a bar, online through independentdistributors is not only good but normal. However, paying for hardware that could or could not house "stolen" songs? What is this saying, people who will buy Zune are all criminals? Silly, maybe but criminals? Two very despicable companies setting up an ugly trend. Reason 5,749,387 for not buying that piece of ready to create another MS monopoly.

There is no depth to how low MS can sink and every time I am surprised. First getting everyone to join the Play For Sure pr pitche, then turning their backs on everyone by havong Zune run WMP, then cozying up to despicable Novel to pay rolyalties for supposedly Linux IPs, then turn around and court more linux distros, then lick Universal’s boots just to get a foot in the door. And watch out for Universal getting ripped off at one point or another by MS.

Universal is an old rigid business model that can’t adapt to modern rimes. I agree with the author that paying for music in a bar, online through independentdistributors is not only good but normal. However, paying for hardware that could or could not house “stolen” songs? What is this saying, people who will buy Zune are all criminals? Silly, maybe but criminals?

Two very despicable companies setting up an ugly trend.

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