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		<title>By: Vista &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Vista Audio Improvement Details &#8212; For Consumers, At Least</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Get Rid of Wrinkles</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 03:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Goran</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/12/06/vista-audio-improvement-details-for-consumers-at-least/comment-page-1/#comment-117705</link>
		<dc:creator>Goran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My capture card is Winfast xp2000.My sound card is Realtek hd and windows vista driver.I have problem with sound in capture card.My problem is in control volume.I can`t increase or decrease sound when I waching TV program on capture card sofware in control panel.I don`t have such problem before under Win XP.Can you help me with advice?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My capture card is Winfast xp2000.My sound card is Realtek hd and windows vista driver.I have problem with sound in capture card.My problem is in control volume.I can`t increase or decrease sound when I waching TV program on capture card sofware in control panel.I don`t have such problem before under Win XP.Can you help me with advice?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 04:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RTM = release to manufacturing. It&#039;s the build released for distribution a couple of months ago, though technically, since Vista updates itself when you install, it&#039;s not exactly what you get when you install what&#039;s now in stores.

I don&#039;t currently know of anything *specific* to pro audio in any of the different Vista flavors. What we&#039;re describing is in all of them. So you&#039;ll make your decision based on other factors and how you use the OS, probably jumping for either Home Premium or Ultimate. I like Ultimate for the Windows Remote Desktop inclusion and backup features alone. (Also in Business, but then you lose some of the consumer stuff.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RTM = release to manufacturing. It&#8217;s the build released for distribution a couple of months ago, though technically, since Vista updates itself when you install, it&#8217;s not exactly what you get when you install what&#8217;s now in stores.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t currently know of anything *specific* to pro audio in any of the different Vista flavors. What we&#8217;re describing is in all of them. So you&#8217;ll make your decision based on other factors and how you use the OS, probably jumping for either Home Premium or Ultimate. I like Ultimate for the Windows Remote Desktop inclusion and backup features alone. (Also in Business, but then you lose some of the consumer stuff.)</p>
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		<title>By: Shun Purnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shun Purnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what version on Vista does anyone recommend for pro audio...home basic, premium or ultimate? What is vista rtm(6000)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what version on Vista does anyone recommend for pro audio&#8230;home basic, premium or ultimate? What is vista rtm(6000)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/12/06/vista-audio-improvement-details-for-consumers-at-least/comment-page-1/#comment-106701</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Norm,
Make sure you see our &lt;a href=&quot;http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/01/19/vista-for-music-pro-audio-exclusive-under-the-hood-with-cakewalks-cto/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;updated article&lt;/a&gt;.

The Whippinpost story is interesting, but it&#039;s important to recognize that some of those features are intended for &quot;consumer&quot; audio -- i.e., audio listening and general-use applications (even a lot of the surround, mic config, and &quot;high def&quot; audio specs included). These functions are still likely to be managed by your music apps separately, because the needs for musicians are a little different than the average consumer. Of course, if you then want to go watch Star Trek II or run audio in Skype, you may wind up benefiting from both. 

Also, I would take issue with the claim in that article that there&#039;s &quot;nothing more you can do with MIDI.&quot; (That&#039;s the author&#039;s opinion, not Microsoft&#039;s; I think Microsoft just made a pragmatic decision to focus mainly on general-purpose improvements.) MIDI is still an enormous part of almost everyone&#039;s music production workflow, and I find Vista -- like XP -- to be deficient in some key areas. There&#039;s no integrated MIDI setup, no unified mechanism for managing patch names, and no built-in means for routing MIDI between applications (which is a more common need than many people think, sometimes just to run a MIDI utility and a MIDI app at the same time).

There are still lots of good things about Vista, but they primarily include the improvements listed in the other article with Cakewalk. You&#039;ll benefit from these other features when listening to music, but production is all about the new audio driver (WaveRT), the new means of handling kernel access (no longer &quot;kernel exclusive&quot;; I think that&#039;s now been renamed to the MMCSS described in the other story), and more protection from drivers. This general package was called &quot;glitch-free&quot;, then renamed &quot;glitch resistant&quot;, and now has all these ugly acronyms (MMCSS doesn&#039;t quite roll off the tongue), but that tells you that this got out of the hands of the marketers and into the hands of the engineers. That&#039;s a good thing; you shouldn&#039;t have to know about this stuff -- you should just have everything work!

These are all major improvements. There&#039;s still room for improvement in all three major OSes, however -- Linux, Windows, and even Mac OS X. But I can cautiously say many if not most users will want to upgrade; we&#039;ll be testing Vista and the other gear to give readers advice on which systems will make sense to upgrade and when.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Norm,<br />
Make sure you see our <a href="http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/01/19/vista-for-music-pro-audio-exclusive-under-the-hood-with-cakewalks-cto/" rel="nofollow">updated article</a>.</p>
<p>The Whippinpost story is interesting, but it&#8217;s important to recognize that some of those features are intended for &#8220;consumer&#8221; audio &#8212; i.e., audio listening and general-use applications (even a lot of the surround, mic config, and &#8220;high def&#8221; audio specs included). These functions are still likely to be managed by your music apps separately, because the needs for musicians are a little different than the average consumer. Of course, if you then want to go watch Star Trek II or run audio in Skype, you may wind up benefiting from both. </p>
<p>Also, I would take issue with the claim in that article that there&#8217;s &#8220;nothing more you can do with MIDI.&#8221; (That&#8217;s the author&#8217;s opinion, not Microsoft&#8217;s; I think Microsoft just made a pragmatic decision to focus mainly on general-purpose improvements.) MIDI is still an enormous part of almost everyone&#8217;s music production workflow, and I find Vista &#8212; like XP &#8212; to be deficient in some key areas. There&#8217;s no integrated MIDI setup, no unified mechanism for managing patch names, and no built-in means for routing MIDI between applications (which is a more common need than many people think, sometimes just to run a MIDI utility and a MIDI app at the same time).</p>
<p>There are still lots of good things about Vista, but they primarily include the improvements listed in the other article with Cakewalk. You&#8217;ll benefit from these other features when listening to music, but production is all about the new audio driver (WaveRT), the new means of handling kernel access (no longer &#8220;kernel exclusive&#8221;; I think that&#8217;s now been renamed to the MMCSS described in the other story), and more protection from drivers. This general package was called &#8220;glitch-free&#8221;, then renamed &#8220;glitch resistant&#8221;, and now has all these ugly acronyms (MMCSS doesn&#8217;t quite roll off the tongue), but that tells you that this got out of the hands of the marketers and into the hands of the engineers. That&#8217;s a good thing; you shouldn&#8217;t have to know about this stuff &#8212; you should just have everything work!</p>
<p>These are all major improvements. There&#8217;s still room for improvement in all three major OSes, however &#8212; Linux, Windows, and even Mac OS X. But I can cautiously say many if not most users will want to upgrade; we&#8217;ll be testing Vista and the other gear to give readers advice on which systems will make sense to upgrade and when.</p>
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		<title>By: NormC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NormC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this. I&#039;ve been trying to find out more about the new audio enhancements myself today, from a musicians perspective, and you&#039;re right; there&#039;s not much out there atm.

There&#039;s also a good overview at http://www.thewhippinpost.co.uk/news/vista-review-for-musicians.htm which explains a bit more.

We&#039;re a minority market so i guess M$ are leaving it to others to explain. If everything i&#039;ve read is true though, i&#039;m actually quite excited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this. I&#8217;ve been trying to find out more about the new audio enhancements myself today, from a musicians perspective, and you&#8217;re right; there&#8217;s not much out there atm.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a good overview at <a href="http://www.thewhippinpost.co.uk/news/vista-review-for-musicians.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.thewhippinpost.co.uk/news/vista-review-for-musicians.htm</a> which explains a bit more.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re a minority market so i guess M$ are leaving it to others to explain. If everything i&#8217;ve read is true though, i&#8217;m actually quite excited.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 01:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for the record.. i have been using vista for months and now run vista RTM (6000)...
the low latency audio performance is incredible. it is obviously better than osx or xp.  you have to try it to see what i mean.  i get 5-10% lower cpu scores in the live 5 performance test than osx or xp. my echo mona pcmcia drivers work perfectly with ASIO for 64 samples of latency (2 ms)... and the per application mixer is the cats meow.
  the kernel has been improved in vista and i think the &quot;multimedia class scheduler&quot; service gives extra priority to audio threads.  this results in incredible performance at low latency even when running many apps in the background...
  i hope this becomes common knowledge soon cause its getting old reading all these &quot;visa sucks&quot; threads by people who havent even tried it yet... 
  to the guy with the emu card.. did you try to install as administrator or in compatiblity mode?  i contacted emu some time ago as I wanted to get a 1616m for the road.. they said they had no plans to release vista drivers until it was actually out.. so i am waiting on the 1616m... soon it will come, that is an amazing sounding card.  I got one for a friend and it sounds nicer than any sub $2,000 card out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for the record.. i have been using vista for months and now run vista RTM (6000)&#8230;<br />
the low latency audio performance is incredible. it is obviously better than osx or xp.  you have to try it to see what i mean.  i get 5-10% lower cpu scores in the live 5 performance test than osx or xp. my echo mona pcmcia drivers work perfectly with ASIO for 64 samples of latency (2 ms)&#8230; and the per application mixer is the cats meow.<br />
  the kernel has been improved in vista and i think the &#8220;multimedia class scheduler&#8221; service gives extra priority to audio threads.  this results in incredible performance at low latency even when running many apps in the background&#8230;<br />
  i hope this becomes common knowledge soon cause its getting old reading all these &#8220;visa sucks&#8221; threads by people who havent even tried it yet&#8230;<br />
  to the guy with the emu card.. did you try to install as administrator or in compatiblity mode?  i contacted emu some time ago as I wanted to get a 1616m for the road.. they said they had no plans to release vista drivers until it was actually out.. so i am waiting on the 1616m&#8230; soon it will come, that is an amazing sounding card.  I got one for a friend and it sounds nicer than any sub $2,000 card out there.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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