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	<title>Comments on: Vista Journal: Recommendation - Don&#8217;t Upgrade Yet</title>
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		<title>By: c3ajeff</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/05/vista-recommendation-dont-upgrade-yet/#comment-122282</link>
		<dc:creator>c3ajeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. I would not advise the general public to upgrade and especially DAW users. My company builds DAWs and we're testing Vista RTM (have been working with Beta and RC2 for months) and we like what we see, so far.

My laptop mfg (Compaq) says my laptop will not work with Vista (it's one year old) but I backed up all the data and upgraded anyway. It works great - except the AC97 sound driver really was awful. I reinstalled the old XP driver and joy! Performance is noticeably better than XP Pro SP2 (I am using Vista Business edition.)

Like the article said, Vista is close and will be ready soon, but not yet. I would, however recommend installing it on a 2nd partition or drive if you want to start learning all about Vista now and put yourself ahead of the curve.

I have two apps that work great in Vista; Sonar 6.2 and FL Studio 7. I haven't had any problems with VST's at all, from Albino to Discovery to Melodyne (and about 80 others I have tested.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I would not advise the general public to upgrade and especially DAW users. My company builds DAWs and we&#8217;re testing Vista RTM (have been working with Beta and RC2 for months) and we like what we see, so far.</p>
<p>My laptop mfg (Compaq) says my laptop will not work with Vista (it&#8217;s one year old) but I backed up all the data and upgraded anyway. It works great - except the AC97 sound driver really was awful. I reinstalled the old XP driver and joy! Performance is noticeably better than XP Pro SP2 (I am using Vista Business edition.)</p>
<p>Like the article said, Vista is close and will be ready soon, but not yet. I would, however recommend installing it on a 2nd partition or drive if you want to start learning all about Vista now and put yourself ahead of the curve.</p>
<p>I have two apps that work great in Vista; Sonar 6.2 and FL Studio 7. I haven&#8217;t had any problems with VST&#8217;s at all, from Albino to Discovery to Melodyne (and about 80 others I have tested.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hometracked - Quick links</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hometracked - Quick links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Did you watch the Grammys last night? Did you find the whole affair a little self-serving? You&#8217;re not alone.  Peter at CDM sagely advises against upgrading to Vista just yet. Microsoft’s own developer tools for Vista are still in beta. Basic hardware drivers are missing&#8230; Unless you have drivers in hand for your computer, your graphics drivers, your sound hardware, and confirmed Vista-ready updates for your critical apps, I wouldn’t even bother putting Vista on a second partition  Sample Swap is a 4.6Gb library of free samples (Registration required.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Did you watch the Grammys last night? Did you find the whole affair a little self-serving? You&#8217;re not alone.  Peter at CDM sagely advises against upgrading to Vista just yet. Microsoft’s own developer tools for Vista are still in beta. Basic hardware drivers are missing&#8230; Unless you have drivers in hand for your computer, your graphics drivers, your sound hardware, and confirmed Vista-ready updates for your critical apps, I wouldn’t even bother putting Vista on a second partition  Sample Swap is a 4.6Gb library of free samples (Registration required.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stormax</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/05/vista-recommendation-dont-upgrade-yet/#comment-117713</link>
		<dc:creator>Stormax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's very funny =))
In 2010 Microsoft will promise a Vienna - another new OS. Why?! 1.5 years for developing drivers and apps for Vista. Through next 1.5 years - welcome, Vienna. 
I don't need Vista, absolutely =))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very funny =))<br />
In 2010 Microsoft will promise a Vienna - another new OS. Why?! 1.5 years for developing drivers and apps for Vista. Through next 1.5 years - welcome, Vienna.<br />
I don&#8217;t need Vista, absolutely =))</p>
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		<title>By: DaveL.Vista_Confusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveL.Vista_Confusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay - thanks for the info....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay - thanks for the info&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple answer: use XP. Not only will Vista cause new compatibility issues, 64-bit (on either XP or Vista) may, as well. 

If you're on a tight budget for software on Windows, there are fantastic free and cheap alternatives to cracked software. Some of these rival or best their more expensive alternatives in many respects. And try taking the leap to make this new machine cracked-free: you may find you have a much more hassle-free, stable system. I'll admit, not all cracked software causes system problems, but some can cause some very serious ones. And you're missing out on a lot of the most unique software for PC.

From CDM:
&lt;a href="http://createdigitalmusic.com/tag/straightoutofnocash/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Straight Out of No Cash series&lt;/a&gt; for cheap and (largely) free software

&lt;a href="http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/25/highlife-the-free-must-have-do-everything-sampler-host-tool-vst-for-windows/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Highlife, free sampler / slicer / gadget&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href="http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/09/01/reaper-lightweight-music-software-hits-1x-and-no-longer-free/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Reaper, superb host for $40 from the creator of Winamp&lt;/a&gt;

I still say go XP over Vista for now for this stuff, for compatibility reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple answer: use XP. Not only will Vista cause new compatibility issues, 64-bit (on either XP or Vista) may, as well. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re on a tight budget for software on Windows, there are fantastic free and cheap alternatives to cracked software. Some of these rival or best their more expensive alternatives in many respects. And try taking the leap to make this new machine cracked-free: you may find you have a much more hassle-free, stable system. I&#8217;ll admit, not all cracked software causes system problems, but some can cause some very serious ones. And you&#8217;re missing out on a lot of the most unique software for PC.</p>
<p>From CDM:<br />
<a href="http://createdigitalmusic.com/tag/straightoutofnocash/" rel="nofollow">Straight Out of No Cash series</a> for cheap and (largely) free software</p>
<p><a href="http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/11/25/highlife-the-free-must-have-do-everything-sampler-host-tool-vst-for-windows/" rel="nofollow">Highlife, free sampler / slicer / gadget</a></p>
<p><a href="http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/09/01/reaper-lightweight-music-software-hits-1x-and-no-longer-free/" rel="nofollow">Reaper, superb host for $40 from the creator of Winamp</a></p>
<p>I still say go XP over Vista for now for this stuff, for compatibility reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardL</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/05/vista-recommendation-dont-upgrade-yet/#comment-115733</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you'd be better off with XP. The biggest issue with Vista 64 is going to be hardware drivers for any special hardware. But as noted some applications aren't ready for Vista. And music production software and hardware tends to trail behind the rest of the industry because there are so many interrelationships between the various pieces. 

Vista probably doesn't really change anything with respect to software cracks except maybe cracks of Vista. General compatibility of the program with Vista is probably the biggest issue. Because Vista throws another factor into the equation it may be difficult to debug problems if you don't know if Vista is causing a crash or if it's the software. But I have to ask is it really necessary to run cracks in this day and age? There's so much good software that's free or really affordable I have to question the need. If you are student there's tons of great student discounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;d be better off with XP. The biggest issue with Vista 64 is going to be hardware drivers for any special hardware. But as noted some applications aren&#8217;t ready for Vista. And music production software and hardware tends to trail behind the rest of the industry because there are so many interrelationships between the various pieces. </p>
<p>Vista probably doesn&#8217;t really change anything with respect to software cracks except maybe cracks of Vista. General compatibility of the program with Vista is probably the biggest issue. Because Vista throws another factor into the equation it may be difficult to debug problems if you don&#8217;t know if Vista is causing a crash or if it&#8217;s the software. But I have to ask is it really necessary to run cracks in this day and age? There&#8217;s so much good software that&#8217;s free or really affordable I have to question the need. If you are student there&#8217;s tons of great student discounts.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveL.Vista_Confusion</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/05/vista-recommendation-dont-upgrade-yet/#comment-115673</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveL.Vista_Confusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have 2 questions:

I've just ordered a new computer currently being built to spec....as Vista has just come out I had  the 64-bit home version installed as I retardly didn't think there would be any problems with backwards compatibility for using XP music software on Vista. So:

(i) would it be recommended that I just ask the people building my computer to load XP instead?  (I primarily use Cubase SX 2, Adobe Audition, Wavelab and numerous VST instruments)

(ii) in addition to the software listed above, a friend of mine (*cough *cough) uses a lot of freeware and 'cracked' software for more minor apps as he's not yet making any money from 'his' music, and simply can't yet afford to spend thousands of £ on the software 'he' needs. How will the security &#38; DRM parameters of Vista affect cracked software usage? Will 'he' still be able to use it, or will Vista simply turn its nose up, laugh at you &#38; crash?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 2 questions:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just ordered a new computer currently being built to spec&#8230;.as Vista has just come out I had  the 64-bit home version installed as I retardly didn&#8217;t think there would be any problems with backwards compatibility for using XP music software on Vista. So:</p>
<p>(i) would it be recommended that I just ask the people building my computer to load XP instead?  (I primarily use Cubase SX 2, Adobe Audition, Wavelab and numerous VST instruments)</p>
<p>(ii) in addition to the software listed above, a friend of mine (*cough *cough) uses a lot of freeware and &#8216;cracked&#8217; software for more minor apps as he&#8217;s not yet making any money from &#8216;his&#8217; music, and simply can&#8217;t yet afford to spend thousands of £ on the software &#8216;he&#8217; needs. How will the security &amp; DRM parameters of Vista affect cracked software usage? Will &#8216;he&#8217; still be able to use it, or will Vista simply turn its nose up, laugh at you &amp; crash?</p>
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		<title>By: RichardL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your advise is sound (nar nar). 

While I've had good result with my ACER laptop, I'm not planning to upgrade my Dell Precision 370 desktop anytime soon. That system runs several programs that have dongles and advanced copy protection (C-Dilla, Rainbow etc). Also several programs require specific OpenGL support, and I don't know how good the Vista driver for the video board (NVidia Quadro FX1400) is. And I also have an M-Audio Project Mix audio interface that isn't yet (or maybe ever) supported by Vista. So that system is a long ways off from Vista or maybe never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your advise is sound (nar nar). </p>
<p>While I&#8217;ve had good result with my ACER laptop, I&#8217;m not planning to upgrade my Dell Precision 370 desktop anytime soon. That system runs several programs that have dongles and advanced copy protection (C-Dilla, Rainbow etc). Also several programs require specific OpenGL support, and I don&#8217;t know how good the Vista driver for the video board (NVidia Quadro FX1400) is. And I also have an M-Audio Project Mix audio interface that isn&#8217;t yet (or maybe ever) supported by Vista. So that system is a long ways off from Vista or maybe never.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, Richard, Ryan -- thanks for your feedback, and keep it coming!

This isn't a critique of Vista, as I said. And "later" may well be next week. I'm simply saying:

1. Most music users are unlikely to be able upgrade at this point. Since the beginning, I've said that only a few will be able to upgrade. If you exclusively use SONAR and Reason, for instance, and you can verify compatibility of your audio and MIDI gear, you're part of the select few I'd recommend. You just need a critical mass to upgrade even as an early adopter / on a second partition as a secondary OS. I do expect this will change over the coming weeks, and we'll have updates here on CDM every week or two.

2. The more significant problem has nothing to do with music, and little to do with Vista, and that's that some hardware vendors (NVIDIA and Alienware in my case, but I don't think they're alone) aren't giving upfront details. That means the decision to upgrade can't be impulsive; you need to double-check that all the drivers are actually there, and you can't assume otherwise they'll work. That's always the case, but there's an unusually large gap between the PR and the technical side. And people should be aware that changes to the way graphics works, etc., means that some incompatibilities will be far more than aesthetic.

#1 I expected; musicians almost never upgrade OSes on day one, and given the complexity of our software and hardware setups relative to other users, that's fine. #2 I find a little frustrating. It is good to know ATI is onboard (which also says good things about the MacBook Pro, incidentally).

For the record, my Alienware is running pretty well, and I do have the Visual Studio hotfix beta running, so while that "Microsoft's own development tools" comment still holds, they do have the beta available and they are communicating what to do.

No, mostly I'm frustrated because some of the major vendors could have made their process easier. And, yeah, ATI is winning out on driver availability this round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, Richard, Ryan &#8212; thanks for your feedback, and keep it coming!</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a critique of Vista, as I said. And &#8220;later&#8221; may well be next week. I&#8217;m simply saying:</p>
<p>1. Most music users are unlikely to be able upgrade at this point. Since the beginning, I&#8217;ve said that only a few will be able to upgrade. If you exclusively use SONAR and Reason, for instance, and you can verify compatibility of your audio and MIDI gear, you&#8217;re part of the select few I&#8217;d recommend. You just need a critical mass to upgrade even as an early adopter / on a second partition as a secondary OS. I do expect this will change over the coming weeks, and we&#8217;ll have updates here on CDM every week or two.</p>
<p>2. The more significant problem has nothing to do with music, and little to do with Vista, and that&#8217;s that some hardware vendors (NVIDIA and Alienware in my case, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re alone) aren&#8217;t giving upfront details. That means the decision to upgrade can&#8217;t be impulsive; you need to double-check that all the drivers are actually there, and you can&#8217;t assume otherwise they&#8217;ll work. That&#8217;s always the case, but there&#8217;s an unusually large gap between the PR and the technical side. And people should be aware that changes to the way graphics works, etc., means that some incompatibilities will be far more than aesthetic.</p>
<p>#1 I expected; musicians almost never upgrade OSes on day one, and given the complexity of our software and hardware setups relative to other users, that&#8217;s fine. #2 I find a little frustrating. It is good to know ATI is onboard (which also says good things about the MacBook Pro, incidentally).</p>
<p>For the record, my Alienware is running pretty well, and I do have the Visual Studio hotfix beta running, so while that &#8220;Microsoft&#8217;s own development tools&#8221; comment still holds, they do have the beta available and they are communicating what to do.</p>
<p>No, mostly I&#8217;m frustrated because some of the major vendors could have made their process easier. And, yeah, ATI is winning out on driver availability this round.</p>
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		<title>By: loops</title>
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		<dc:creator>loops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I wanted to switch from Windows 98 to XP, XP was the (much more) stable system, but my soundcard at the time (Guillemot Maxi Studio ISIS) didn't have suitbale drivers. After exchanging emails with developer/tech help it didn't look like it was going to happen either so I switched to RME. Now it RME has Vista drivers for their current stuff, but I have an older DIGI96 so I might end up in the same boat again.

What seems different this time though is indeed lack of basic stuff like video drivers from the bigger players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I wanted to switch from Windows 98 to XP, XP was the (much more) stable system, but my soundcard at the time (Guillemot Maxi Studio ISIS) didn&#8217;t have suitbale drivers. After exchanging emails with developer/tech help it didn&#8217;t look like it was going to happen either so I switched to RME. Now it RME has Vista drivers for their current stuff, but I have an older DIGI96 so I might end up in the same boat again.</p>
<p>What seems different this time though is indeed lack of basic stuff like video drivers from the bigger players.</p>
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