Comments on: Rumor Mill: No Logic 8; New Touch-Sensitive “Pro Tools Killer” Instead? http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:31:08 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Knol http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/comment-page-2/#comment-401506 Knol Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:47:55 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/#comment-401506 Well, basically the movie companies and the record companies are owned by the same corporations. There are different executives, but it’s basically Sony/BMG, EMI, Universal, Warner, Disney. They even own the cable and broadcast networks. Jobs knows what he is up against, and yet at the same time, he is their guide to the cyber-mall in the nether world called the internet. He’s the man with the plan. They hate him for that, but they have to pay him deference. iTMS is the #4 music retailer behind Wallmart, Target, and Best Buy. It looks like EMI will go first. The others will fall into line. Everybody knows how to RIP songs and will soon know how to RIP DVDs. Many already do. TiVO, Sling, and EyeTV are very popular. The Genie is out of the lamp. Well, basically the movie companies and the record companies are owned by the same corporations. There are different executives, but it’s basically Sony/BMG, EMI, Universal, Warner, Disney. They even own the cable and broadcast networks. Jobs knows what he is up against, and yet at the same time, he is their guide to the cyber-mall in the nether world called the internet. He’s the man with the plan. They hate him for that, but they have to pay him deference. iTMS is the #4 music retailer behind Wallmart, Target, and Best Buy. It looks like EMI will go first. The others will fall into line. Everybody knows how to RIP songs and will soon know how to RIP DVDs. Many already do. TiVO, Sling, and EyeTV are very popular. The Genie is out of the lamp.

]]> By: Knol http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/comment-page-2/#comment-401503 Knol Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:45:53 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/#comment-401503 i agree with aj. i agree with aj.

]]> By: Mike http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/comment-page-2/#comment-368322 Mike Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:23:57 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/#comment-368322 Well it is called Logic Pro 8 and it sucks BIG TIME, sync, functionality, interface, reliability, cpu usage, nothing really works well. A complete screw of the gullible public. Enough to put me off of Apple for ever. Apple = Microsoft 2.0 Well it is called Logic Pro 8 and it sucks BIG TIME, sync, functionality, interface, reliability, cpu usage, nothing really works well. A complete screw of the gullible public. Enough to put me off of Apple for ever. Apple = Microsoft 2.0

]]> By: Plumbstone http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/comment-page-2/#comment-272754 Plumbstone Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:34:27 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/#comment-272754 There will be no Logic 8!!!!! The new app will have a new name. They are working on it for 5 years and it will be out this year. It will be a “Pro Tools Killer” with a Logic feel but in a new user interface and take advantage of OSX.5 (it will need it and don’t work on X.4 or prior) and new Apple hardware (touch screen display!). More info: no more xskey and no more envirronement [sic] Well all that was way off the mark.... There will be no Logic 8!!!!!

The new app will have a new name.
They are working on it for 5 years and it will be out this year.
It will be a “Pro Tools Killer” with a Logic feel but in a new user interface and take advantage of OSX.5 (it will need it and don’t work on X.4 or prior) and new Apple hardware (touch screen display!).

More info: no more xskey and no more envirronement [sic]

Well all that was way off the mark….

]]> By: Christopher http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/comment-page-2/#comment-237222 Christopher Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:36:38 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/#comment-237222 Here's my rant of the day: I must admit my ability to wait and wait and wait for Apple's new "Pro Tools Killer" is beginning to end. I'm giving Apple till the Leopard release, then if nothing comes... I'm done with Logic. I realize I'm just one person, but I'd imagine I'm not the only once who feels this way. Here’s my rant of the day:

I must admit my ability to wait and wait and wait for Apple’s new “Pro Tools Killer” is beginning to end. I’m giving Apple till the Leopard release, then if nothing comes… I’m done with Logic.

I realize I’m just one person, but I’d imagine I’m not the only once who feels this way.

]]> By: Jeff http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/comment-page-2/#comment-230076 Jeff Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:06:19 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/#comment-230076 Hey Steve, You can use apple loops in Cubase 4. I bought Logic Express yesterday - did not want to spend 1K on Logic Pro until i decided weather or not I like the product. I'm very disappointed. This software is OLD. Apple has kept it alive with add-ons, but it's a relic. After having a great deal of creative fun with Garage Band, I thought about ditching Cubase - which I have been using for 15 years. I had hoped Logic would be a "pro" version of GB. Boy was I wrong. Please Apple release a whole new product, and let me have an upgrade path too (please) Hey Steve, You can use apple loops in Cubase 4.
I bought Logic Express yesterday – did not want to spend 1K on Logic Pro until i decided weather or not I like the product. I’m very disappointed.
This software is OLD. Apple has kept it alive with add-ons, but it’s a relic.
After having a great deal of creative fun with Garage Band, I thought about ditching Cubase – which I have been using for 15 years. I had hoped Logic would be a “pro” version of GB. Boy was I wrong.
Please Apple release a whole new product, and let me have an upgrade path too (please)

]]> By: Steve http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/comment-page-2/#comment-222220 Steve Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:58:36 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/#comment-222220 my vote is in the logic is "unnecessaily complex" basket. Compared to the competing packages. The recent upgrades in logic (which sprung from the garageband developments are intuitive for me (like Apple Loops), and I'm hoping for a good upgrade in logic 8 that continues this trend. but otherwise its frustrating. If tools or nuendo had apple loops i'd ditch logic. my vote is in the logic is “unnecessaily complex” basket. Compared to the competing packages. The recent upgrades in logic (which sprung from the garageband developments are intuitive for me (like Apple Loops), and I’m hoping for a good upgrade in logic 8 that continues this trend. but otherwise its frustrating. If tools or nuendo had apple loops i’d ditch logic.

]]> By: JohnHope http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/comment-page-2/#comment-167911 JohnHope Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:58:37 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/#comment-167911 Since the return of Steve Jobs, applications have all had the same history: 1- acquiring of a third party app 2- creation of a consumer app 3- creation of a killer pro app 4- optimisation for new OSX versions 5- Integration with new paradigms (multitouch screen..) So i can be almost sure that there will be a new, professional music/audio app, that will be a killer. It can't be Logic 7 because it isn't a killer at all. It's great, powerful and high end, but so far it only killed new users when they weren't able to create a new track. Since the return of Steve Jobs, applications have all had the same history:
1- acquiring of a third party app
2- creation of a consumer app
3- creation of a killer pro app
4- optimisation for new OSX versions
5- Integration with new paradigms (multitouch screen..)

So i can be almost sure that there will be a new, professional music/audio app, that will be a killer.
It can’t be Logic 7 because it isn’t a killer at all. It’s great, powerful and high end, but so far it only killed new users when they weren’t able to create a new track.

]]> By: jalcide http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/comment-page-2/#comment-167719 jalcide Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:11:22 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/#comment-167719 Please accept my attempt at being optimistic and relentlessly positive here, it's a tone aimed to make a very strong point. First let me just state the obvious: Apple's brand is heavily rooted in the music and video industry. They bought out Emagic for a reason, and it's not for "Garageband Pro." As an avid Logic "Environment" user, I find it almost impossible to imagine that the brain trust at EmApple would make 15 years of technology and capability simply disappear. Things you could do with midi since the 80's have not become obsolete, they're even more relevant. There are things you can do in the Environment that you just can't do anywhere else. The Logic Pro developers know this and take great pride in that fact I'm sure. I mean, you can't go back in time and un-invent technology can you? That's what they'd be doing if they got rid of it. No, if they replace Logic it would almost certainly have to include everything Logic Pro 7.2.3 includes now, plus more, and made more accesible. They may reinvent the interface of the Environment but they can't just make the underlying capabilities the Environment gives us, go away. There are serious powers and "players" at work here: big name musicians and producers out there that rely on custom midi routing setups for live performances. Some of the biggest and most "pro" studios in the music industry use Logic Pro as the heart of their system. Folks that make their living on Logic. They create the case studies that Apple loves to showcase on it's website. I'm quite sure Apple wants (and needs) to keep these professionals close and happy, with a full capability upgrade path, that is, never losing capability always on par or better philosopy. Well, that means keeping the features of the Environment, somehow someway. I think the Environment will see changes, but not in *what* it can do, just in *how* it does it. Finally consider how much more applications are providing rich interoperability today (rewire, osc xml, virtual midi routing, etc), and how much more performers and artists are wanting to include live multimedia into their stage performances. This makes the need for a rich, flexible, object-oriented routing setup (i.e. the "Environment") even more important, not less. The music "headz" out there are getting more sophisticated, not less. If anything, it'll be Environment on steroids. I have to believe the 20+ year veterans in Germany/California deeply understand this and want to stay competitive with their flagship product. Please accept my attempt at being optimistic and relentlessly positive here, it’s a tone aimed to make a very strong point. First let me just state the obvious: Apple’s brand is heavily rooted in the music and video industry. They bought out Emagic for a reason, and it’s not for “Garageband Pro.” As an avid Logic “Environment” user, I find it almost impossible to imagine that the brain trust at EmApple would make 15 years of technology and capability simply disappear. Things you could do with midi since the 80’s have not become obsolete, they’re even more relevant. There are things you can do in the Environment that you just can’t do anywhere else. The Logic Pro developers know this and take great pride in that fact I’m sure. I mean, you can’t go back in time and un-invent technology can you? That’s what they’d be doing if they got rid of it. No, if they replace Logic it would almost certainly have to include everything Logic Pro 7.2.3 includes now, plus more, and made more accesible. They may reinvent the interface of the Environment but they can’t just make the underlying capabilities the Environment gives us, go away. There are serious powers and “players” at work here: big name musicians and producers out there that rely on custom midi routing setups for live performances. Some of the biggest and most “pro” studios in the music industry use Logic Pro as the heart of their system. Folks that make their living on Logic. They create the case studies that Apple loves to showcase on it’s website. I’m quite sure Apple wants (and needs) to keep these professionals close and happy, with a full capability upgrade path, that is, never losing capability always on par or better philosopy. Well, that means keeping the features of the Environment, somehow someway. I think the Environment will see changes, but not in *what* it can do, just in *how* it does it. Finally consider how much more applications are providing rich interoperability today (rewire, osc xml, virtual midi routing, etc), and how much more performers and artists are wanting to include live multimedia into their stage performances. This makes the need for a rich, flexible, object-oriented routing setup (i.e. the “Environment”) even more important, not less. The music “headz” out there are getting more sophisticated, not less. If anything, it’ll be Environment on steroids. I have to believe the 20+ year veterans in Germany/California deeply understand this and want to stay competitive with their flagship product.

]]> By: cortez http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/comment-page-2/#comment-151057 cortez Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:31:59 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/02/27/rumor-mill-no-logic-8-new-pro-tools-killer-instead/#comment-151057 how about dsd (sacd type) 1 bit 5.6 mhz (korg and tascam already have 2 track versions) super hi fi recording (all digital audio starts as 1 bit anyway) on an octomac with 32 gigs of ramand a reasonable 8 disk xserve raid. the control surface is a mac buyout of the lemur at half the price -( jazzmutant doesn't mind selling out for $5 million) on apple's june 07 40 inch 4k 8 megapixel screen. all math is 64 bit floating point, and a new vsl symphonic cube light is included, the software package is called logic extreme and still sells for $999. the extreme hardware is $10k, a bargain for that power. somewhat future proof for 5 years how about dsd (sacd type) 1 bit 5.6 mhz (korg and tascam already have 2 track versions) super hi fi recording (all digital audio starts as 1 bit anyway) on an octomac with 32 gigs of ramand a reasonable 8 disk xserve raid. the control surface is a mac buyout of the lemur at half the price -( jazzmutant doesn’t mind selling out for $5 million) on apple’s june 07 40 inch 4k 8 megapixel screen. all math is 64 bit floating point, and a new vsl symphonic cube light is included, the software package is called logic extreme and still sells for $999. the extreme hardware is $10k, a bargain for that power. somewhat future proof for 5 years

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