For those of you who missed the fireworks, Native Instruments recently left its partner Stanton Magnetics (makers of Final Scratch) to pursue its own DJ strategy, which it unveiled at NAMM as (coincidentally named, I’m sure) Traktor Scratch. As with any breakup, that raised questions about support.

Here’s where the first bad news hits: the existing Final Scratch software is incompatible with Intel Macs. And that combined with other compatibility issues could mean the big losers here are Final Scratch customers, who are likely to be really unhappy when they learn the “solution” means buying new products, whether from NI, Stanton, or a third party.

Meanwhile, with NI dropping support for the software end of Final Scratch, Stanton is in the unenviable position of trying to keep their user base from leaving altogether.

Step one for Stanton: rename their existing hardware audio interface Final Scratch Open. What’s “open” about it? Well, it’s an audio interface, with ASIO (PC) and Core Audio drivers (Mac) that let you use it with any software you want — just like any other audio interface. Not exactly news, of course, and the only reason Stanton has to push hard to communicate this message is that they had previously focused on marketing an integrated solution, rather than an open, BYO software solution. The ScratchAmp could be a great audio interface, but you’ll still need a DJ app and control vinyl to complete the solution. Given that there are other DJ audio interfaces on the market, it’d be more fair to call this “Final Scratch Unbundled.”

Step two — here’s where things get ugly: blame Native Instruments for the compatibility problems. In a statement released this week and spread wide on the Web, Stanton said it was unable to patch NI’s software, because NI is responsible for software support and refused to create an update:

The ScratchAmp is and always has been fully compatible with all Mac technology, but an Intel compatible update for FS2 users on the software side was never developed, and all of Stanton’s requests for this software update have been denied by the developer … We would also like to stress the fact that we are open to offering compatibility to ALL developers, including N.I., and any others who may choose to stand behind the ScratchAmp and implement our code in their programs, present and future. We invite you to encourage your software company to make their developments ScratchAmp compatible!

See The Official Word from Stanton – again, plus discussion, from our favorite turntablist site, Skratchworx

Here’s the only problem: it’s not ScratchAmp’s capability as an audio interface that makes it appealing to Final Scratch users. The whole point is the ability to use the control vinyl. Let’s see how Native Instruments responds in a counter-announcement recently posted to their website:

Statement regarding Stanton Magnetics FinalScratch, February 23 [Native Instruments]

First, NI effectively claims they were already in “divorce proceedings” by the time Stanton asked for an Intel Mac version:

“Stanton Magnetics never requested the development of a Mac Intel-compatible version of the FinalScratch software within a reasonable timeframe before the partnership of the two companies ended. Native Instruments has completely fulfilled all development and support responsibilities towards Stanton Magnetics.”

This would seem to confirm that Stanton did ask for Intel Mac compatibility, and NI said no. That’s a pretty big admission, whether in a “reasonable timeframe” before the partnership ended, or not. NI then says the reasons were legal:

Native Instruments had originally planned to maintain FinalScratch compatibility in TRAKTOR 3 for an indefinite amount of time. Stanton Magnetics has however issued, and never retracted, a legal statement that has forced Native Instruments to remove FinalScratch timecode compatibility from the TRAKTOR platform. The announcement of the “FinalScratch Open” program in January 2007 has not relieved Native Instruments from this specific legal constraint.

Of course, this is the big irony of Stanton’s new “open” platform. All audio interfaces are “open”; the issue is the timecode for the vinyl control technology — there’s a reason the product name is Final Scratch and not Final Phono Connector. But, squabbling aside, what’s NI’s solution?

To provide a favorable alternative, Native Instruments will instead offer a special crossgrade that will allow FinalScratch owners to switch to the TRAKTOR SCRATCH system at greatly reduced costs, while even allowing them to keep their FinalScratch system.

There’s the rub. Current customers will have to wait for Traktor Scratch, the new NI product, to ship, and then pay for an upgrade. (For the record, street price on the crossgrade is US$395, versus $595 street for a fresh copy. Could be worth it, but that’s still a chunk of change.) Or you could wait for Stanton to come up with their own solution, though that seems unlikely, since Stanton by their own admission are a hardware company, not a software company.

Based on the two statements, it seems the two companies are both telling the truth — mostly at least. NI was the software side, Stanton the hardware side. The problem is, software support is a non-issue as long as Stanton controls the timecode technology.

In the meantime, there’s nothing stopping you from plugging Final Scratch into other software that does support Stanton’s vinyl control scheme, like DJDecks, and the upcoming Deckadance; the latter even runs as a plug-in inside other applications. (Important caveat: DJDecks’ Final Scratch compatibility is officially unsupported, though it works. Deckadance promises support for Serato, Final Scratch, and Ms. Pinky out of the box. In current beta builds, only Ms. Pinky support is currently functioning.)

Why is vinyl compatibility a legal problem for NI but not for other developers? As near as I can figure, the reason is the order of events: NI dumps Stanton. Stanton says “fine, then you can’t use our vinyl.” It’s difficult to tell, though, what actually happened between the two companies, only that both now seem to want to punish the other and win over the other’s lucrative customer base.

As CDM’s DJ editor Wallace observes, it’s hard not to see this as a divorce in which the real losers are the kids — the customers. NI and Stanton may be in equal parts responsible for the closed nature of the technology they developed, but it seems that in effect, they’ve made an excellent argument for solutions that give you a choice. Imagine if soft synths only worked with one brand of MIDI controller. Why shouldn’t you be able to mix and match vinyl control, audio interface, and DJ app? And if NI won’t support Final Scratch, why not support another existing technology in Traktor, like the excellent Ms. Pinky? (Or, at long last, plug-ins — especially since NI are themselves one of the biggest plug-in developers.) No matter how good Traktor is, it’s hard not to see open, flexible solutions as more appealing — particularly after this fallout.

If Stanton and NI are so keen for customers, their best strategy may be to put the customers first. It’d be terrific to see their products really be “open” — not just in name, but by supporting more different setups and playing nicer with complementary vendors. It’s not my opinion that matters; it’s the customer base. And both companies are now likely to lose customers and trust: Stanton because they have no workable solution, and NI because they give the appearance of forcing their customers to buy something new by breaking something they already own.

Updated: Native Instruments has responded officially with their side of the story. They argue that the request for an Intel Mac in fact came so late that there was no way to respond, and they’re now focused on their new system:

Internally, we have been working on Traktor 3.3 since January, which has a completely new timecode decoder tailor-made for the Traktor Scratch high-resolution timecode, with all the corresponding changes to how the timecode section is integrated into the GUI etc. Introducing additional FinalScratch timecode compatibility at this point is therefore not about flipping a single bit in the code, it would basically mean rewriting the whole timecode part of Traktor 3.3, just to accommodate a timecode format that we are probably still not allowed to use from a legal perspective, that belongs to a product that we are no longer affiliated with, and which we consider to be inferior to what we have designed in the meantime.

While everybody here can understand the disappointment of some FinalScratch users, and we really try to accommodate them as best as we can, implementing FS timecode decoding into the current build of Traktor is just not feasible for us.

Of course, this makes it all the more disappointing that Stanton seems to have fumbled figuring out their own backup plan for their customers. And while Native makes a strong argument for developing their own combined hardware/software solution, they do face other competition. We hope to test NI’s upcoming product alongside Ms. Pinky, Stanton, and Serato options, and the various software choices, and see just which hardware/software combination is best.

Those of you out there who do have Final Scratch 2, we’re curious to hear your plans.

Final Scratch Open
The Official Word from Stanton – again [Skratchworx]
Statement regarding Stanton Magnetics FinalScratch, February 23 [Native Instruments]

  • nOah

    well, simply put: "In the meantime, there’s nothing stopping you from plugging Final Scratch into other software that does support Stanton’s vinyl control scheme, like DJDecks, and the upcoming Deckadance; the latter even runs as a plug-in inside other applications."

    and Stanton's audio interface, the "scratch amp" 2.0 is of course asio 24/96 and will work on your PC or Intel Mac.

    i started using FS at version 1.0 and loved it, and the 2.0 upgrade was a good one. nowadays, there are so many other options it seems silly not to shop around for the best features and value. i haven't used FS for dj'ing in nearly a year but i like the 2.0 scratch amp… and still use it as my primary audio interface… so i guess my plans are to keep using the hardware and continue not using the software.

  • http://www.djcatch22.net catch-22

    Good write-up on the issue…

    I used FS since 1.1, and never upgraded to the Windows side of things. I liked the idea of running FS out of a dedicated Linux build.

    Recently I got fed up with FS, as I was always having to troubleshoot it at gigs (usually a result of bad needles/tonearms or a combination of the two). On average, it would take me 30 minutes to get it all set up and working properly and even then I would still get intermittent timecode quality problems.

    So, I've since switched to Ableton Live as my DJ'ing solution. This article kind of reinforces that decision.

  • http://unother.net/ unother

    I think this was a long time coming and was obvious from the history of FS.

    Here's the short version: FS is announced and is a BeOS product. BeOS disappears into the maw of Palm, and becomes buried IP. FS moves to Linux. Problems emerge. FS is reborn as a Win/Mac product with an over-leveraged piece of hardware (essentially an audio interface with a built-in dongle), using 3rd-party software.

    Compare this to SSL, which I use and love: Serato develops software, specs hardware, approaches Rane to produce. Live happily ever after.

  • wallace winfrey

    Unother, I don't really see a huge difference between Serato Scratch and Final Scratch. What happens if they have a falling out with Rane? Isn't the SS interface just another over-leveraged piece of hardware with built-in dongle? Or can I buy the vinyl & software and use it with my M-Audio Conectiv?

  • http://mateomurphy.com Mateo

    I think Stanton really dropped the ball with Final Scratch. The hardware isn't that great; the odd shape of both versions may look cool but are really annoying to place in a live setting, and I know several people who have had numerous issues with it (dropouts, bad tracking, etc). Pretty much everybody I know who started with final scratch have moved on to Serato Scratch, and those that are starting out in digital djing are using torq instead.

    As much as this situation sucks for existing final scratch users, I do think that NI was smart to end their relationship and strike out on their own. I'll be taking them up on the crossgrade offer and hope I can make up some of the cost by selling my fs hardware.

  • http://spacepiratemusic.com c0rey sc0tt

    The thing is, none of this is really news, and I don't see the outcome as that big of a surprise… in exactly what position did people expect to find Stanton when NI dropped them? And given that NI has developed pretty serious hardware in the recent past, did anyone doubt their ability to come up with an audio interface that has phono preamps?

    Wallace is right about the similarities between Serato and Final Scratch. Having a proprietary philosophy is ridiculous if you make hardware or software but not both. As a software developer, why wouldn't you want to reach the broadest market possible by making your software compatible with whatever kind of hardware people want to use? There are dozens of suitable audio interfaces available for digital DJs now. And as a maker of those interfaces, why would you make it work with only one piece of software?

    M-audio just released the Conectiv, which comes packaged with Torq DJ software, but they position it as an ASIO interface that works on either of the major platforms using any audio software. It even works with ProTools M-powered.

    Meanwhile (and this is hardly news), djDecks has been out there, blowing the rest of the DJ software market completely out of the water as far as value and depth of features. You can se it with any audio interface, control it with any midi controller, and use virtually any of the popular forms of timecode control out there (currently supported timecode list: Final Scratch, Serato Scratch Live CV01, CV02A, CV02B or CV02, Ms. Pinky, VirtualDJ, and it's own native timecode). Unlike Traktor and Serato it supports VST plugins, it's fully skinnable and customizable, it's updated more frequently than any program I've ever seen (8 updates so far this year) and the developer works together with his user base to integrate feature requests and troubleshoot obstacles they might encounter getting their systems to run well. What's the pricetage for this? It's gotta be high, right? I mean, look at its competitors… right? $49.42 US.

    As a long-time djDecks user and forum moderator, I admit I may be a tad biased, but I've tried many of the solutions out there and I'm convinced the only reason djDecks isn't absolutely destroying sales for Final Scratch and Serato is that the guy who makes it can't afford to market the way Stanton or Rane can. That and the unfortunate fact that it only works on Windows machines.

    I can truly say I have a piece of DJ sofware that looks, feels, and functions exactly the way I think a DJ app should. By building my own skin, and through the gracious efforts of the developer to incorporate my wishes and the wishes of the other users (Adion has already included two of my feature requests this year alone, and who knows how many total, or from other users) I have a custom DJ environment tailored to my needs that anyone with an audio interface could use for under fifty bones.

    But my point isn't to brag about my rig or even talk up djDecks, it's to point out the ridiculous flaw in the approach Stanton and NI initially chose to take. It's only a matter of time before companies with more money figure out how to add the features that make solutions like Ms. Pinky and djDecks so rewarding to their users. Soon, only the flexible solutions or the ones that cost the least will be viable choices. I see that as good news, even for current Final Scratch owners. For $50, you're back in business with a much bigger feature set than you started with. Is that so bad? Take advantage of the competition in the industry and put together a better system.

    C

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Corey, great points, and it's nice to see the djDecks perspective.

    I think the news here is that Stanton and NI had an opportunity to bridge compatibility, particularly in regards to Intel Mac users, and for whatever reasons and whomever you want to blame, it didn't happen. Given the massive popularity of this system, that's a big deal. I hope that people look at their options, and that it doesn't sour users on the whole computer DJ market.

    Everything I've seen of djDecks makes me very interested in it, especially given the price. But does it support both relative and absolute timecode modes? (Or, if not, have you found you missed it?) This does appear to be a feature in Deckadance; maybe that upcoming "pro" version of djDecks, as well?

    Torq is likewise worth mentioning and also supports Ms. Pinky and plug-ins — two big bonus points for me. And it's one of the few alternatives on the Mac side, so Intel Mac FS users might consider that alongside the upcoming Traktor Scratch.

  • nocturnus

    There was already bad blood between Stanton and NI for a long time before even Intel Macs were in the picture at all, and it's quite possible that NI is telling the truth when they say it was too late into the separation to do Intel version of software. But personally I suspect that NI really just wants to sell more of their new hardware, and not support a competing product – especially from a company they had so many problems with.

  • http://spacepiratemusic.com c0rey sc0tt

    @Peter Kim: not only does djDecks support absolute and relative mode with vinyl control, but it also introduces something that its creator Adion calls Super-relative mode, which is a pretty amazing concept that I'll try and explain…

    Like relative mode, in super-relative mode, no time information is collected from the timecode, only speed, but it is gathered from the point at which you enable vinyl control. There's a couple of really huge benefits to this. Let's say you start with a track that's much too slow to mix with another one, even at +8… just pitch it up to +8, turn off vinyl control, move the pitch control down to 0, and turn on vinyl control. Normally, this would make the track playing jump back down to 0, but in super-relative mode, it stays put and only responds to new changes in pitch. So when you slide the pitch slider up to +8 this time, you're really at +16.

    Another really cool benefit of this feature is that it allows you to mix two tracks using one turntable. Let's say you find yourself booked to play in a tight little DJ booth with no space for your laptop. You calmly put the dust cover onto one of the turntables and set your laptop up on it. You set both virtual decks in djDecks to receive timecode on the same set of inputs. Switch on vinyl control on deck 1, cue and start your first track, turn off vinyl control. Turn on vinyl control for deck 2, and use the same deck to mix in your second track. So far you haven't done anything another program won't let you do. But now, let's say your mix starts to drift and you want to go back to controlling deck 1. Just turn vinyl control off on deck 2 and enable it on deck 1. The pitch won't jump to the position on the turntable, so you can safely make your correction on either deck, by just enabling and disabling vinyl control. To my knowledge, no other DJ solution out there has this feature, which I think is a very smart one.

    And back to the original topic, I did think of one thing that really is bad news about this whole Stanton vs. NI thing. Are users going to buy the Scratch Amp, even as a generic interface, if they can't use it with Traktor? I mean, new users who buy an M-audio Conectiv, or an ESI U46DJ (both of which have very similar features and I/O to the scratch amp), they will be able to use ANY DJ software with it. If they by a scratch amp, they'll be able to use it with any DJ software EXCEPT the very popular Traktor. Just one more reason to buy something else.

    And in response to your concern that this situation will sour users on the whole market, I can't say I share your worry. Everyone and his brother is a DJ these days. If some of them decide that this event makes the realm of computer DJing not worth the hassle, are we really losing out on anything? I don't mean to sound harsh, but so what? Users that find other options that work for them will either leave those people behind, or show them that they might want to look into their options again. I know people who are still skeptical about recording bands straight to digital media, like in a ProTools studio. Their points about recording to analog tape aren't incorrect, but it didn't stop the digital industry from progressing at an amazing pace, and digital studios outnumber analog ones by a huge stretch.

    C

  • http://spacepiratemusic.com c0rey sc0tt

    Sorry, Peter… Kim = Kirn

    C

  • johnny

    long live the deckadance!

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Hi Corey,

    Thanks for the more detailed information on djDecks timecode support; that's very helpful to know.

    ScratchAmp WILL work with Traktor; Traktor like these others will happily work with any audio interface. You could absolutely use M-Audio Conectiv, etc. But that's why the Final Scratch OPEN thing is so puzzling — who cares if the *audio interface* has drivers, when what people really want is support for the vinyl control? And given that compatibility is important to Stanton, why are they blocking compatibility? I expect their plan is to move people to their own (non-NI) software, but for the time being they may hemorrhage market share first.

    But yes, you're right — DJs will find a way to use computers; they'll just go to another solution.

  • http://sonsofjob.blogspot.com Augmentalist

    Let me state that, in my opinion, fundamentally, Final Scratch uses a half ass method of vinyl control from

    the hardware to the software. They are not going to be

    able to provide compatibility for their vinyl, i think

    FS uses time modulation, instead of timecode like Ms. Pinky or Torq. Now also note that Connectiv hardware has

    issues as well, but their problem is hardware related. They have even admitted as much.

    I really like what djDecks has done, but let me

    put this out there…Ms. Pinky's vinyl work with

    Torq and with djDecks, Scott at Ms. Pinky really

    has worked hard and tried to be open with what he

    does and how he does it enabling others to make

    software to work with his vinyl.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Augmentalist, to which Conectiv hardware issues are you referring? I wasn't aware of this.

    I agree that using timecode has some major advantages; it looks as though NI's new Traktor Scratch will also use this method. Whether it's better than existing options is yet to be seen.

    Incidentally, my understanding of djDecks' Ms. Pinky support is that it is proprietary rather than based on the Ms. Pinky SDK. But interoperability is still a good thing.

  • http://sonsofjob.blogspot.com Augmentalist

    The Connectiv issue.

    I and MobiusRay creator of the Plattabass have tested several of these Connectivs as

    well as having sold quite a few too.

    I would say 1 out of 5 have this problem. I am not sure what rev hardware it occurs on.

    Basically a digital chunking or clicking can be

    heard whenever there is audio I/O

    I have isolated the noise to just the 4th channel out, and through the headphone cue on 4 as well.

    Here is a link with the noise.
    http://www.mediamax.com/mobiusray/Hosted/Conectiv

    We checked it with different drivers and OS X 10.3,

    OS X 10.4, and M$ XP and a bad unit will exhibit

    the problem on any platform.

    M-Audio has replaced every bad unit and I can't

    fault them and they aren't negligent. They will replace any unit that has this issue.

  • http://mateomurphy.com Mateo

    But that’s why the Final Scratch OPEN thing is so puzzling — who cares if the *audio interface* has drivers, when what people really want is support for the vinyl control? And given that compatibility is important to Stanton, why are they blocking compatibility?

    Based on Stanton's FS3 pre-announcement, and the removal of FS support from traktor, I'm quite sure that Stanton was trying to round up another partner for the software up till the last minute (maybe imageline?), and failing that announced FSOpen to save face. By that point they had pretty much burned their bridges with NI, and without a new partner to provide Intel mac compatibility, Stanton blames NI, who had already removed FS compatibility from Traktor as obliged by the terms of their breakup.

    It remains to be seen whether the announcement of an open FSsdk will lift that restriction, but I imagine that the situation is quite complicated from a legal standpoint, and NI clearly thinks their new solution is better anyway.

    Ultimately, I think stanton is going to drop FS altogether; the value of finalscratch lies mostly in the software, and there's too much competition on the hardware side for it to be viable for them.

  • http://myspace.com/prospect Prospect

    Stanton is the worst company to deal with EVER.

    I recently had to deal with them for a support issue and it was an absolute nightmare.

    The people that I've had to talk to at Stanton are MISERABLE.

    It's no wonder they have been going downhill.

    Everyone in there hates their lives, and appearantly their jobs.

    Good for NI.

    - Jonathan

  • http://www.phatplastic.com phatplastic

    I jumped the FS ship about 6months before this storm and purchased Serato Scratch. I have never looked back since. I still use the FS2 box as a soundcard as it does a decent enough job at that without any drivers on my G5, but as a scratch tool it never lived up to my high hopes. Serato on the other hand has been a pure joy to own and use each week at my gigs.

  • http://kief.net/ Valis

    I've been a tad halfhearted about FS since it required a Linux install (which was really bleh) and with this final move to abandon FS support in Traktor so recently after a major paid upgrade I have to say I'm not really looking kindly towards NI or Stanton. I've had a too many issues with both in the past. (As an added note it took 2 years for NI to add the cpuid for Xeons into some of their products, meaning they all operated at reduced SSE compatibility and dramatically worse performance. From a paid user this was really annoying, since it's such a simple check and the cores are mostly identical and fully compatible with their consumer brethren that were supported just fine.)

    Honestly, here on the West Coast US, most people have long since gone to Serato but I have stayed back since I've been fairly happy with the features that Traktor added in addition to the FS support. I actually use Traktor more in my studio sessions than I do FS at gigs, partly because I have less Dnb gigs these days after leaving Cali, but mostly because I just bring a book of cd's now for all unreleased or downloaded tunes. CDJ's are far prefereable to the many issues I've had with FS over the years, although when it works it works reasonably well for Dnb (I rarely scratch anymore).

    Serato does seem a superior solution from what I've seen for straight dj'ing & turntablism, both in terms of rock solid stability & low latency (plus it seems a tad less harsh sounding when scratching imo). The fact that a lot of places on the West coast have the tt57 that you can just plug directly into with firewire, so you don't even have to setup the interface makes things even easier. Once I'm used to it I might very well go back to using the laptop at gigs.

    I am going to miss some of the features I've gotten used to in traktor for my studio mixes off the beaten path (idm/ambient/whatever mashups) and will probably adopt a cheap controller for the nearterm for this use. With some tunes having abrupt changes and/or being extremely short looping and beat-jumping is very useful. Being able to output midi clock info was quite useful too, as I could distribute it around the studio and switch things up between my main DAW running Live and the laptop running Traktor.

    My hope is that in the coming months I'll be able to use Serato&Deckadance both as a replacement to Traktor/FS and to finally overcome the limitation of having to run Live separately. That & a midibox project make the next year look really fun!

  • nOah

    Slightly, but not totally off topic:

    let's keep in mind that a lot of djs are not total computer geeks. neither am i… but i know enough to use plenty of "tweaks" to be sure my system (winXP) is running as smooth as possible. i must be the luckiest person in the world to have my stanton 2.0 scratch amp and whatever software i use with it to be working with little or no complaints at all – on a Dell computer from 4 years ago, with PCMCIA firewire no less.

    like i said i don't care about final scratch anymore but…. djing in the old fashioned way – or even using CDs (which nowadays is practically old fashioned) – is still more stable than 90% of software. in the meantime, i wait for the software to get better and will keep tweaking, using whatever medium fits the venue (either CDs, or the BCD2000 and its native software for "casual" djing). it's really not rocket science if we spend some time with it…..

  • Danny

    **Help needed with Final Scratch 2 Latency**

    Here's the deal. I'm running Final Scratch 2 on a Dell Inspiron 1705. General Specs as follows:

    1.83 Ghz Dual Processor

    2 GB RAM

    I am attempting to use the FS2 Timecoded CD's with 2 Pioneer CDJ MKIII's. I've tried using the FS2 program as well as Traktor DJ Studio Ver. 3.1. Does anyone know if Traktor is compatible with the original FS2 timecoded cd's??

    The problem I am having is severe latency causing pops/clicks in the audio stream. Now this small problem is fine while monkeying around in the home studio but I definitely can't have that problem on a live set at a club. I've had FS2 since Nov. 2006 and have yet to be able to get quality audio with it let alone use it on a live set. Has anyone had similar problems…? And if so, what was your resolution..?? I have tried tweaking my system using Tweak programs as well as uninstalling most irrelevant programs, WinRAR, Media Player, Norton Antivirus…etc but I cannot get good audio.

    The only way I get decent audio is by setting my latency on the scratch amp at a ridiculous setting like 20+ ms which is crappy while mixing, as for scratching, forget about it.

    Any help or tips anyone can give is greatly appreciated. Send to danielmlane@yahoo.com.

    Thanks for reading.

    Danny

    aka

    DJ Scooby

  • DJ Galloway

    I sent the statement below to Stanton and never got an answer or reply.

    I did a crossgrade to NI Traktor Scratch and after I installed the Audio 8 driver to my laptop the Scratch Amp driver did not see the Scratch Amp anymore. I tried unistalling and re-installing the Scratch Amp again but at the part where you connect the Scratch Amp to the computer, the computer don't see it. Can you please help with this situtation. I did contact NI and they said you guys are responsible for the hardware(Scratch Amp). I'm a long time owner of FS and I would like to use FS at my gigs from time to time. After all I did spend money for it.

  • blair

    Is the a program for final sracth 1.3? iv been on the stanton website and guess what??? nope PLASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • martin smith

    i've been using FS2 with the 2.3 upgrade for the last few months with a 5 year old Powerbook running OSX tiger with no problems. only prob i have now is that since having to replace the powerbook due to it being dropped. I now have macbook pro running leopard and although the software work fine and the system sees the scratch amp the software still won't see it which is annoying.

    I bought final scratch 2 off of ebay and it as been great to use but now i'll either have to look at using djdecks or other software or buy an older mac laptop.

    unless of course someone knows of any new workarounds?

  • olflopeeboots

    Hey martin, i just installed traktor 3.3 with my macbook pro with leopard and am having the same problems. i can assign ins/outs for scratchamp, yet i get no signal in the tracking section. anyone know what to do? is FS2.0 compatibility with traktor 3.3 my problem? or a leopard issue?

  • http://www.antifmradio.com Dj Logan Deeep

    Yeah, same as Martin, I had to upgrade to the new MAC Leopard also, and am just finding out that FS2 doesnt work at all. I have it installed. But when i click the icon to start it, it errors out. I been trying to find out all the info I can on it, patches available , etc. So I guess what i'm asking is, are we screwed or what? I cant find anything saying that NI is going to make a software patch so FS2 works with Leopard. So is this a done deal if you own a newer MAC or what? Any info or guidance is appreaciated. I'm severly pissed about the situation.

    LD

  • Roland Badlegs

    Just got an imac (with leopard) and want to use scratchamp as my sound card (for logic and reason). It seems to work but its not right! for some reason, i only get audio output when i set logic output to surround and then it comes through in mono! Does anybody know what to do?! i have searched for drivers but cant find any.

  • http://myspace.com/ianastewart Ian Stewart

    I'm running a 2.2 GHz Intel MacBook Pro with 10.5.2. There seems to be a Universal Binary version of FS 2 out there, because I ran NI Service Center software and downloaded an update which seems to run fine. The problem I'm having is that my Mac isn't even recognizing the Scratchamp 2, i.e. in my Sound Preferences. Stanton says it's a most likely a problem with compatibility between the firewire card in my comper and the Scratchamp (and thus not their problem), and Apple says that since I've gotten other firewire devices to work (a MOTU 828 Mk II), it's not their responsibility. So in short, I think we may be buggered. Anyone else have this problem and/or figure out a way around it?

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  • Deojae Taylor

    I swear this is wack. I got the program when it 1st came out. smh, a partial refund would be nice. I always had trouble with it 2. I recently bought a 2nd scratch box off eBay, hoping it would allow my system 2 say ‘connected’. But it didn’t work. It still says ‘waiting’. I could cry right now. As 4 what I’m gonna do.. I guess, save up & get a new system. I don’t want anything 2 do with fs2, traktor or any of company affiliated with this product. My next system will probably be serato or something. I wanna do more research 1st. This is such bullshit.