Comments on: This Week in Synths: Cutting the Cost of Modulars, LP Time Capsule, Welsh Minimoog http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:02:47 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Mike Hankinson http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/comment-page-1/#comment-795376 Mike Hankinson Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:20:19 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/#comment-795376 Nice to see my first lp is still around and getting noticed. It was a real pain to record on a Studer 4 track ! And tuning the Putnsy was a problem. We hooked it up to an oscilloscope and set a reference tone to generate a lissajoux figure - then used that to set the octave distribution (temperament). Nice to see my first lp is still around and getting noticed. It was a real pain to record on a Studer 4 track ! And tuning the Putnsy was a problem. We hooked it up to an oscilloscope and set a reference tone to generate a lissajoux figure – then used that to set the octave distribution (temperament).

]]> By: Jimbo http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/comment-page-1/#comment-404422 Jimbo Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:15:22 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/#comment-404422 I have a Welsh Minimoog Model E, and it has recently developed some problems, I would like to contact Mr Alex Winter to try to see if he could give some advice on getting it repaired but I don't have any up to date contact details for him, can anyone help? info@groovesanctuary.com I have a Welsh Minimoog Model E, and it has recently developed some problems, I would like to contact Mr Alex Winter to try to see if he could give some advice on getting it repaired but I don’t have any up to date contact details for him, can anyone help?

info@groovesanctuary.com

]]> By: gONK http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/comment-page-1/#comment-395920 gONK Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:48:46 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/#comment-395920 There are one significant drawback of plastic panels they don't provide any shielding from capacitive ,RFI, EMC signals!Same for plain PCB's,(none copper) however if done with one copper layer you get a good shielding. Grant speaks of PCB are stiffer then alu, thats not the case 2,5mm alu is very hard and basically impossible to bend. (euro size) PCBs on the other hand are brittle on edges so an additional coating are needed which will increase end cost. On the other end fiberglass can be a lot more scratch resistant then a ordinary alu plate Boats come to mind!And again heat and sun rays wears on many plastics. Front panels made of steel are cheaper then alu still few uses steel, it needs a different method of cutting to be cost effective. After all it s a mater of volumes made, the more the cheaper, but for most small volume manufacturers this dosent matter. Also There are one significant drawback of plastic
panels they don’t provide any shielding from
capacitive ,RFI, EMC signals!Same for plain
PCB’s,(none copper) however if done with one
copper layer you get a good shielding.

Grant speaks of PCB are stiffer then alu,
thats not the case 2,5mm alu is very hard
and basically impossible to bend. (euro size)

PCBs on the other hand are brittle on edges
so an additional coating are needed which will increase end cost.

On the other end fiberglass can be a lot more
scratch resistant then a ordinary alu plate
Boats come to mind!And again heat and sun
rays wears on many plastics.

Front panels made of steel are cheaper then alu
still few uses steel, it needs a different
method of cutting to be cost effective.

After all it s a mater of volumes made, the
more the cheaper, but for most small volume
manufacturers this dosent matter.

Also

]]> By: Create Digital Music » This Week in Synths: Musicmesse, Rarities for Sale, Donimoog Modular, Buchla Vids http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/comment-page-1/#comment-315070 Create Digital Music » This Week in Synths: Musicmesse, Rarities for Sale, Donimoog Modular, Buchla Vids Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:06:40 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/#comment-315070 [...] Below is a video of some MOOG modulars manufactured by Don Martin. If you remember from the March 16 Week In Synths, Don Martin owned the Moog name in the US after MOOG music went under. He released a Model E Minimoog commonly referred to as the Donimoog. In addition to the Mini, he also release a number of MOOG modules. Cary Roberts posted the following video on AH along with more pics you can find here. You can find a list of the Don Martin MOOG modules here. BTW, word is they actually sounded good. Note: unfortunately there is no audio in this video, but I prefer it a bit more to just the static shots. [...] [...] Below is a video of some MOOG modulars manufactured by Don Martin. If you remember from the March 16 Week In Synths, Don Martin owned the Moog name in the US after MOOG music went under. He released a Model E Minimoog commonly referred to as the Donimoog. In addition to the Mini, he also release a number of MOOG modules. Cary Roberts posted the following video on AH along with more pics you can find here. You can find a list of the Don Martin MOOG modules here. BTW, word is they actually sounded good. Note: unfortunately there is no audio in this video, but I prefer it a bit more to just the static shots. [...]

]]> By: eskimo of torment http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/comment-page-1/#comment-144752 eskimo of torment Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:23:07 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/#comment-144752 -1 for fiberglass. It is unacceptable for folks who travel/play out with their modulars. It might be fine for basement patchers, but for a roadworthy synthesizer it is just silly. METAL FOR LIFE -1 for fiberglass.
It is unacceptable for folks who travel/play out with their modulars. It might be fine for basement patchers, but for a roadworthy synthesizer it is just silly.

METAL FOR LIFE

]]> By: 43macs http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/comment-page-1/#comment-142651 43macs Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:15:08 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/#comment-142651 +1 for fiberglass panels. Let's have another path besides 'exact replica of jurassic era beast' Plexiglass, Lexan, and Kydex sheets would all make interesting panel materials. In parts of the US, we have a company called Tap Plastics for these materials. Looking on eBay could yield affordable bench-top CNC machine tools that could do all the drilling and cutting. Silkscreen is good, pad printing might work well too, and some ink jet printers can have flat materials moved through them for printing... Try searching on 'desktop fabrication' and 'desktop prototyping'... +1 for fiberglass panels. Let’s have another path besides ‘exact replica of jurassic era beast’

Plexiglass, Lexan, and Kydex sheets would all make interesting panel materials. In parts of the US, we have a company called Tap Plastics for these materials.

Looking on eBay could yield affordable bench-top CNC machine tools that could do all the drilling and cutting. Silkscreen is good, pad printing might work well too, and some ink jet printers can have flat materials moved through them for printing… Try searching on ‘desktop fabrication’ and ‘desktop prototyping’…

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/comment-page-1/#comment-142622 Peter Kirn Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:42:24 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/#comment-142622 Sounds like his feedback came from his existing customers. But I agree, there must be a market beyond that -- especially if you went to a different PCB color instead of green. ;) Sounds like his feedback came from his existing customers. But I agree, there must be a market beyond that — especially if you went to a different PCB color instead of green. ;)

]]> By: CJ http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/comment-page-1/#comment-142551 CJ Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:39:54 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/#comment-142551 I have a hard time believing that people wouldn’t buy the modules because the faceplate is made of a different material which makes it more affordable for the customer. What market research has been done? I suggest they send out a questioner to their customers and find out. Or why not offer both options are different prices and let the market decide for its self. I think synth manufacturers in general have dated misconceptions about their own products. I have a hard time believing that people wouldn’t buy the modules because the faceplate is made of a different material which makes it more affordable for the customer. What market research has been done? I suggest they send out a questioner to their customers and find out. Or why not offer both options are different prices and let the market decide for its self. I think synth manufacturers in general have dated misconceptions about their own products.

]]> By: CharlieH http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/comment-page-1/#comment-142549 CharlieH Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:35:11 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/#comment-142549 Also, the fiberglass material used for PCB's comes in at least a handful of standard colors (and thicknesses), and the silkscreen can be done in a few colors as well, all without any significant cost difference. Also, the fiberglass material used for PCB’s comes in at least a handful of standard colors (and thicknesses), and the silkscreen can be done in a few colors as well, all without any significant cost difference.

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/comment-page-1/#comment-140787 Peter Kirn Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:13:17 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/16/this-week-in-synths-grant-richter-of-wiard-on-cutting-the-cost-of-modulars-wiels-time-capsule-in-an-electric-storm-and-the-minimoog-model-e/#comment-140787 @dbach: Good to know that about Eurorack. Though I expect Grant may not be entirely alone in this situation. I do think the PCB faceplates are quite attractive. Fiberglass is definitely practical. Cheaper is better (even if only for him, not Eurorack). Letter-writing campaign? :) @dbach: Good to know that about Eurorack. Though I expect Grant may not be entirely alone in this situation.

I do think the PCB faceplates are quite attractive. Fiberglass is definitely practical. Cheaper is better (even if only for him, not Eurorack). Letter-writing campaign? :)

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