Comments on: Faders as Instrument: Playing the Vestax Faderboard

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By: Regend

Regend — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:23:17 +0000

it’s a sampler right?
then that means this statement is the best comment:

“12bitter

Looks quite similar to playing with a SP1200 in tune mode, when every slider affects its sample tuning.”

By: monkfish

monkfish — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:52:19 +0000

I agree with Shing02 100%. DJ’s and many electronic producers prefer switchs and faders and pots to make music. Also thet have trained themselves to use them creatively/dynamically.

I think it has been shown time and again that the keyboard does not suit a whole lot of people. Some like it but more are put off music because of it. The sooner interaction with music software moves away from ubiquitious keyboard control the better. I see so many students disheartened towards making music because they are faced with a keyboard everytime they sit down to make music. Many students have no interest in equal tempered scales and much prefer tone, texture or drive but then the idea of the keyboard worms its way into their minds and begins to limit their musical aspirations.

I’d prefer to give them some faders and buttons and a joystick and let them see what they come up with. I bet it would be more interesting and they would get a greater sense of satisfaction from it.

By: eS

eS — Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:44:51 +0000

Several months ago I had the chance to try a Faderboard but, while I still think it’s a pretty cool and expressive instrument, I admit the only thing I successfully managed to to was “look like a jerk” :-D
(but…Yes, it’s definitely worth trying out if you’re a little more familiar with faders than me!) ;-)

By: shing02

shing02 — Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:24:23 +0000

wow the fingerboard does look crazy!
http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/

thanks te2rx!

By: te2rx

te2rx — Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:08:54 +0000

Peter Kearney — Please make a video so we can watch someone “dynamically control the amplitude envelopes for each key individually and add varying degrees of vibrato and other amplitude effects simultaneously on a key by key basis”. I agree it sounds great on paper but I’ve seen nothing like that demonstrated in the videos. He didn’t even need the faderboard to do the MPC part. If you own this thing and have an intimate knowledge of its capabilities, show us!

this is getting off the subject but for that MIDI keyboard you’re looking for with real polyphonic aftertouch, vibrato, and “mod wheel” (basically a full 3D polyphonic controller), there’s the Continuum Fingerboard — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_(instrument)
very expensive built-to-order instrument though.

By: Michael Una

Michael Una — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:38:23 +0000

Way cool. Any interface that allows you to express musical ideas intuitively and gesturally deserves to be built and explored.

There have been many discussions in the forums about using “x0x”-style trackers and gameboy sequencers, and I see this as being a similar interface.

Sometimes, having limitations can make your ideas more robust- you think in different ways than you would otherwise.

By: _object.session

_object.session — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:07:28 +0000

thanks, shing02, for the explanation. i think the polarization in the comments might spring from the fact that the video doesn’t really show everything the device is capable of. it demonstrates that you can do the sort of thing you can do on a keyboard, and i think it kind of shows off the performers skills, too. :-)

but the cool thing about a different interface is that it suggests different creative possibilities. “suggests” is an important word here. there’s more to an instrument than what it can and can’t do. compositions and performances take advantage of what’s *easy* to do with the tool. that’s even true with classic instruments.

it’s kind of hard to judge how an instrument will affect the compositional process without having it in hand, though. i think most of us would enjoy fooling around with the thing.

maybe the clearest negative i can see about the device is that it has to be at least pretty expensive. the components, like faders, are more expensive than keys. a 20 fader version would cost a whole lot more than a 10, whereas adding an extra octave or two on a keyboard is not such a big deal. any idea on what this thing costs or is expected to cost?

By: Peter Kearney

Peter Kearney — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:36:07 +0000

something else I forgot to add.. on this unit you can change the scale on the fly to any major or minor scale, and some kind of arabic, blue and gypsy tunings and you can transpose it up or down, change the fader curves and the start and end points of the samples from from the front panel while you’re playing.

By: Peter Kearney

Peter Kearney — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:27:23 +0000

He should just “get a midi keyboard”? I see so with a midi keyboard you can dynamically control the amplitude envelopes for each key individually and add varying degrees of vibrato and other amplitude effects simultaneously on a key by key basis? Last time I checked, a midi keyboard had a set amount of vibrato which was applied to all keys simultaneously via the mod wheel. Aftertouch is generally useless on many keyboards (like my korg prophecy) in that you have to push pretty hard and it’s so ineffective it’s basically on or off. Even if it did work, it’s monophonic aftertouch for nearly every keyboard except the yamaha cs-80 or an esq-80 and a few others.

This thing is genius for a number of reasons. It’s got just enough faders for two parts on a pentatonic scale or one part spanning two octaves (although 12 faders would have been better) and you can not only control the amplitude envelopes and others functions from the built in sampler, but also control other equipment via midi. (watch the videos on his youtube playlist.. he throws down hip hop beats with the faderbox connected to an mpc.)

In many respects, using faders would allow for more realism in the performance than any midi keyboard ever will, at least for parts that aren’t just variations on a piano. You can vary the attack and release on a note by note basis and simultaneously add varying degrees and rates of vibrato and tremolo for each one. More like a violin or a trumpet than a piano. Not to mention all the other possible uses for the faders for creative individuals.

With regards to chord changes, on the second video he throws down some jazz chord changes without any problems. Frankly, if you can hit three notes on a keyboard, you should be able to slide the same three fingers up and down on faders with an equal amount of dexterity.

Something like this is far from “a beginners” instrument. A grand piano has 658416 possible 3-note chord combinations, 10 faders gives you 720 combinations. I would actually be more inclined to pick the latter.. it significantly narrows the choices you have to contend with and 720 combinations is more than anyone really needs in a lifetime. If you get bored you can just load new samples re-tuned to a different scale.. whole tone, micro-tuning.. whatever.

Plus it’s looks like a hell of a lot of fun.