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By: guinee

guinee — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:44:20 +0000

what does this mean for current max/msp owners? should I finally buy that copy of jitter? will the new product be free for max/msp/jitter users (survey says xxx!?)? love to see these two tighten up some loose ends for inept users like me.

By: carmen

carmen — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:49:46 +0000

so bring it on. i heard apple removed the Environment from the new ‘logic-not-logic’ - maybe we can get an environment that doesnt suck in Live..

By: carmen

carmen — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:48:45 +0000

as someone who would hardly touch Max/MSP with a long stick ($500 and i dont even get the source? no thanks..) im excited about this. ive tried building LIVE in PD - thomas grill’s excellent xsample library provides most of the necessary functionality on the audio level, but ultimately the lack of dynamism in pd itself (to create and destroy said objects upon patch load, or even mid-playback) placed a serious hurdle. as did the gui - theres a rewrite of the GUI using a fully MVC client/server architecture, but even with that i was looking at writing yet another one - you cant send waveforms over a socket, need shared memory - learning C++ and building a more flexible open source live would have been a lot of work, much of which would be getting better at C/C++. way more than $500 of my time..

By: Dri

Dri — Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:03:24 +0000

Ive tried really really really really hard to keep away from Max/MSP. Really hard. When i studied at the Conservatorium of Music in Brisbane i wrote some pretty rubbish music the whole time as i was more lost in Reaktor ensemble programming and the finer points of engineering and theory. Thanks to a friend i got back to writing music with the brilliant Ableton 2.0 becoming the amazing 3.0 becoming the exciting 4.0 becoming the world conquering 5.0…. and now after 6.0 comes this not so cryptic Max/Msp press release….

Peter is excited.

Im scared. I actually like living a rather fun social life… i really do…. sigh… oh well…

By: Doug Theriault

Doug Theriault — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:51:35 +0000

Peter-

Hey, I just talked to a max/msp tech and he mentioned that they were going to also support Audio Units in the very near future. A new easier way of patching together things would be nice to newbies and is long overdue with Max. Being able to go underneath the hood is the most important, at least for me. Also, be on the lookout for new LiSa STEIMs software program in the fall of this year. This has nothing to do with max, but I’ve used LiSa for 10 years until using max now..

By: Angstrom

Angstrom — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:22:10 +0000

RE: vst export, ah right, I always thought end-users were required to download pluggo which acted as some kind of intermediary max runtime host that sat in a vsti slot. Which would be a massive PITA

I guess you can export directly as a VSTi with no need for users to visit cycling74 and install extra stuff?

By: Peter Kirn

Peter Kirn — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:56:56 +0000

@Angstrom: You can export VST/VSTi, via the Pluggo library. It should be *more* portable than SynthMaker, because it’s better equipped to develop for both platforms.

Fugliness: no worries. You’re not alone. Some of us have a sentimental attachment to the current Max interface, but there’s no question it’s getting an update in Max 5, and even the most nostalgic Max user can agree that should be a good thing. Aesthetic appearance impacts readability impacts productivity, so it’s more than skin deep.

By: Vance Galloway

Vance Galloway — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:29:57 +0000

I’m pretty thrilled by the collaboration of my two favorite audio software companies, as well. Good to get some little clues about what may/may not be store for users in the next many months. Personally I’m hoping for ways to integrate automation of MAX patches into Live’s timeline. Then again, I have no real insight into what the two companies are actaully planning together. I have great faith and respect for the people at both companies, so I have nothing but happy expectations.

By: Angstrom

Angstrom — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:19:05 +0000

I’m not a max person, I went the SynthMaker way partly because I can export VSTi plugins, partly because every time I look at Max its brute ugliness repels me.
I know, I know, I’m shallow. But those two things - lack of portability and fugliness really dissuaded me.

so the statement:
“We have been strongly influenced by Ableton’s attention to detail in the Live user experience, and I think you will see that influence reflected in Max 5″

made me happy that I may one day be able to approach it without shielding my eyes.