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	<title>Comments on: May 15 Could be End of Internet Radio; US Legislation to Intervene</title>
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		<title>By: Create Digital Music &#187; Net Radio Royalty Hike Delayed to July; SoundExchange, Friend of the Little Guy?</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/04/27/may-15-could-be-end-of-internet-radio-us-legislation-to-intervene/#comment-315472</link>
		<dc:creator>Create Digital Music &#187; Net Radio Royalty Hike Delayed to July; SoundExchange, Friend of the Little Guy?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Previously: May 15 Could be End of Internet Radio; US Legislation to Intervene If Streaming Rates Stand, “We’ll Have to Shutter”, Says Pandora Founder [CDM interview] Pandora’s Founder on Decoding Taste and Promoting Indie Music [CDM interview]         FRONT: Prototype Knob-Slider Musical InterfaceGetting Booked: 10 Basic Tips for Getting Live Electronic Music Gigs [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Previously: May 15 Could be End of Internet Radio; US Legislation to Intervene If Streaming Rates Stand, “We’ll Have to Shutter”, Says Pandora Founder [CDM interview] Pandora’s Founder on Decoding Taste and Promoting Indie Music [CDM interview]         FRONT: Prototype Knob-Slider Musical InterfaceGetting Booked: 10 Basic Tips for Getting Live Electronic Music Gigs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Lumley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Lumley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sir  Well if these greedy judges get their way, You internet radio should quietly go to foreign to do your radio. If These Judges will go after countries overwelmed if the media destoys the move. Bless you US internet radio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir  Well if these greedy judges get their way, You internet radio should quietly go to foreign to do your radio. If These Judges will go after countries overwelmed if the media destoys the move. Bless you US internet radio</p>
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		<title>By: j-chot</title>
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		<dc:creator>j-chot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 21:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we don't need their shit.

let's make our own godamn music.


http://www.memoryformat.com for my latest EP (free!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we don&#8217;t need their shit.</p>
<p>let&#8217;s make our own godamn music.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.memoryformat.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.memoryformat.com</a> for my latest EP (free!)</p>
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		<title>By: robin parry</title>
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		<dc:creator>robin parry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 12:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is bullshit, musicians are already not being paid to the point where all the "pop stars' I know are looking for rent, not makin music, and the problem people not paying for music, if you have a computer and software does NOT make you a musician/producer, you have to communicate an emotion too someone for that. an doesnot give you he right too STEAL other peoples music,something that this race of dumbfuckistani's does not undersrtand!

i am a dunbfuckistani but at least i'm workin on it!

by the way i've been makin music for 34 years from top of the pops to the winter music conference, to workshopping with Boulez and Stockhausen, and i'm still out at cruddy gigs trying to do what u should do Communicate our injustice's

drkimono</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is bullshit, musicians are already not being paid to the point where all the &#8220;pop stars&#8217; I know are looking for rent, not makin music, and the problem people not paying for music, if you have a computer and software does NOT make you a musician/producer, you have to communicate an emotion too someone for that. an doesnot give you he right too STEAL other peoples music,something that this race of dumbfuckistani&#8217;s does not undersrtand!</p>
<p>i am a dunbfuckistani but at least i&#8217;m workin on it!</p>
<p>by the way i&#8217;ve been makin music for 34 years from top of the pops to the winter music conference, to workshopping with Boulez and Stockhausen, and i&#8217;m still out at cruddy gigs trying to do what u should do Communicate our injustice&#8217;s</p>
<p>drkimono</p>
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		<title>By: bad news for internet radio - aberdeen-music</title>
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		<dc:creator>bad news for internet radio - aberdeen-music</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bad news for internet radio -    Today, 19:37         Create Digital Music  May 15 Could be End of Internet Radio; US Legislation to Intervene  American legislation is going to force independant streamed radio stations off the air.   Quote: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bad news for internet radio -    Today, 19:37         Create Digital Music  May 15 Could be End of Internet Radio; US Legislation to Intervene  American legislation is going to force independant streamed radio stations off the air.   Quote: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let's be realistic about CC. The vast, vast majority of music is traditionally copyrighted. (Not even fair to call it commercial -- but there just isn't that much music with a CC license.) And it's restricted that way by default, whereas CC requires an explicit license. So you're assuming stations are ready to completely change their programming. And even if they do, no matter how good anyone feels about CC music, it means you're cutting off an enormous amount of variety. Finally, "demand" is a function of audiences, and my sense is that most audiences aren't going to stick around if the music they know just disappears. 

Of course, you could argue that people will simply go to illegal services, and I expect that's true. But that hurts CC, too, because CC doesn't work if people don't respect the wishes of artists. If they give up and go to illegal services, they're essentially saying the wishes of creators don't matter.

That's nothing against CC music, but I think CC benefits when large audiences are listening to the Internet. Then you have this great additional case to make with CC of, hey, pass my music around, remix it, sample it, use it. This is the opposite situations: providers and audiences abandoning legal media on the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let&#8217;s be realistic about CC. The vast, vast majority of music is traditionally copyrighted. (Not even fair to call it commercial &#8212; but there just isn&#8217;t that much music with a CC license.) And it&#8217;s restricted that way by default, whereas CC requires an explicit license. So you&#8217;re assuming stations are ready to completely change their programming. And even if they do, no matter how good anyone feels about CC music, it means you&#8217;re cutting off an enormous amount of variety. Finally, &#8220;demand&#8221; is a function of audiences, and my sense is that most audiences aren&#8217;t going to stick around if the music they know just disappears. </p>
<p>Of course, you could argue that people will simply go to illegal services, and I expect that&#8217;s true. But that hurts CC, too, because CC doesn&#8217;t work if people don&#8217;t respect the wishes of artists. If they give up and go to illegal services, they&#8217;re essentially saying the wishes of creators don&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s nothing against CC music, but I think CC benefits when large audiences are listening to the Internet. Then you have this great additional case to make with CC of, hey, pass my music around, remix it, sample it, use it. This is the opposite situations: providers and audiences abandoning legal media on the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean there will be an increase in Creative Commons licenced music? With net radio stations dropping like flies, won't the demand for high quality, royalty free music simply skyrocket? I'd love to see a big two fingers to commercial music in general, and this seems to be a brilliant step forward in that regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean there will be an increase in Creative Commons licenced music? With net radio stations dropping like flies, won&#8217;t the demand for high quality, royalty free music simply skyrocket? I&#8217;d love to see a big two fingers to commercial music in general, and this seems to be a brilliant step forward in that regard.</p>
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		<title>By: MHotel</title>
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		<dc:creator>MHotel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realistically, though, streamed audio should fall under the performance rights license arrangement and not the statutory.  Statutory licenses typically cover sales of a physical (or, probably in the future, kept) product, which a low quality hunk of streamed audio clearly is not.

It is just so easy to see the RIAA folks wringing their hands and curling their mustaches over this deal, but this scenario mostly stems from a wrongheaded and panicked attitude toward digital distribution.

This is a community of musicians, so it seems fair to ask: if the income from licensing and stores like eMusic is pithy, what does work?  Digital tip jars?  A Jane Siberry style honor jar?  Or does the label system still have validity and can it still find a place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realistically, though, streamed audio should fall under the performance rights license arrangement and not the statutory.  Statutory licenses typically cover sales of a physical (or, probably in the future, kept) product, which a low quality hunk of streamed audio clearly is not.</p>
<p>It is just so easy to see the RIAA folks wringing their hands and curling their mustaches over this deal, but this scenario mostly stems from a wrongheaded and panicked attitude toward digital distribution.</p>
<p>This is a community of musicians, so it seems fair to ask: if the income from licensing and stores like eMusic is pithy, what does work?  Digital tip jars?  A Jane Siberry style honor jar?  Or does the label system still have validity and can it still find a place?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, no, that's correct; I should have qualified. Terrestrial radio is not free. It IS free in relation to this type of license -- the statutory license. I think it is more fair to look at the comparison of overhead in terrestrial radio to webcasters under the new rules.

And it's not fair to say radio pays "lots" to performance rights organizations. I'm looking at ASCAP's site at the moment, and the rates are actually pretty small. The blanket license for up to 50,000 listeners is US$450. For up to 150,000 listeners (that's a pretty large station), you still pay only $1800. ASCAP alone, but still. And that's per listener, whereas webcasters are paying statutory licenses per *listened song* in statutory rates *on top of* the webcasters' performance rights blanket license -- while the terrestrial radio stations pay only the performance license. ASCAP also has special rate structures for per-program licenses (e.g., news and chat that doesn't have much music) and noncommercial stations. There's no such equivalent on the statutory side. (BMI, SESAC I believe are similar.)

That's comparing apples to oranges in that they're two different types of licenses. But terrestrial is responsible for only one license, whereas webcasters are responsible for two. And when you look at something sensible like the performing rights blanket license, that only emphasizes how unrealistic the CRB's new restrictions are on the statutory side. 

I certainly don't want to aid in the spreading of misinformation, but -- as you say -- there's still an awfully huge inequity here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no, that&#8217;s correct; I should have qualified. Terrestrial radio is not free. It IS free in relation to this type of license &#8212; the statutory license. I think it is more fair to look at the comparison of overhead in terrestrial radio to webcasters under the new rules.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not fair to say radio pays &#8220;lots&#8221; to performance rights organizations. I&#8217;m looking at ASCAP&#8217;s site at the moment, and the rates are actually pretty small. The blanket license for up to 50,000 listeners is US$450. For up to 150,000 listeners (that&#8217;s a pretty large station), you still pay only $1800. ASCAP alone, but still. And that&#8217;s per listener, whereas webcasters are paying statutory licenses per *listened song* in statutory rates *on top of* the webcasters&#8217; performance rights blanket license &#8212; while the terrestrial radio stations pay only the performance license. ASCAP also has special rate structures for per-program licenses (e.g., news and chat that doesn&#8217;t have much music) and noncommercial stations. There&#8217;s no such equivalent on the statutory side. (BMI, SESAC I believe are similar.)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s comparing apples to oranges in that they&#8217;re two different types of licenses. But terrestrial is responsible for only one license, whereas webcasters are responsible for two. And when you look at something sensible like the performing rights blanket license, that only emphasizes how unrealistic the CRB&#8217;s new restrictions are on the statutory side. </p>
<p>I certainly don&#8217;t want to aid in the spreading of misinformation, but &#8212; as you say &#8212; there&#8217;s still an awfully huge inequity here.</p>
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		<title>By: MHotel</title>
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		<dc:creator>MHotel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do people think that terrestrial radio stations pay nothing in license fees to broadcast music?  They pay nothing to SoundExchange.  They pay LOTS to ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC.

The new streaming audio rules are poorly designed and are conducive to awful people regulating what gets played in this manner, but terrestrial radio is not a free operation.  The comparison is a bad one to make and the facts  are enough of an outrage to stand alone without the "terrestrial radio is free" argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people think that terrestrial radio stations pay nothing in license fees to broadcast music?  They pay nothing to SoundExchange.  They pay LOTS to ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC.</p>
<p>The new streaming audio rules are poorly designed and are conducive to awful people regulating what gets played in this manner, but terrestrial radio is not a free operation.  The comparison is a bad one to make and the facts  are enough of an outrage to stand alone without the &#8220;terrestrial radio is free&#8221; argument.</p>
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