Comments on: Today is Internet Radio Day of Silence; Join Musicians in Support of Fair Rates http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:52:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Music for diners » Today is Internet Radio Day of Silence; Join Musicians in Support … http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-343980 Music for diners » Today is Internet Radio Day of Silence; Join Musicians in Support … Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:32:16 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-343980 [...] View the whole post at Create Digital Music [...] [...] View the whole post at Create Digital Music [...]

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-211139 Peter Kirn Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:47:03 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-211139 @ctx: I agree that that's troubling ... but I can't find the 10% rate for satellite radio, only 7.5%. Where did the other 2.5% go? In terms of what this means versus current rates, that seems unclear since you have to do the math to convert per-song rates to per-revenue; it definitely seems like a drop from the current rates based on many of the numbers RAIN is putting forward. It does seem like a 10% income rate would be better. Of course, this is the bill we've got, and thanks to the fact that CRB has blocked all other legal recourse, locked out webcasters from the discussion, and set a deadline, it seems like it's either this bill or nothing. @ctx: I agree that that’s troubling … but I can’t find the 10% rate for satellite radio, only 7.5%. Where did the other 2.5% go?

In terms of what this means versus current rates, that seems unclear since you have to do the math to convert per-song rates to per-revenue; it definitely seems like a drop from the current rates based on many of the numbers RAIN is putting forward.

It does seem like a 10% income rate would be better. Of course, this is the bill we’ve got, and thanks to the fact that CRB has blocked all other legal recourse, locked out webcasters from the discussion, and set a deadline, it seems like it’s either this bill or nothing.

]]> By: A Fight for Internet Radio Equality at Music Blog - WikiMusicGuide, the Music Wiki http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-210776 A Fight for Internet Radio Equality at Music Blog - WikiMusicGuide, the Music Wiki Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:02:57 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-210776 [...] Today, I found an eye-opener article in the net written by Peter Kirn titled Today is Internet Radio Day of Silence; Join Musicians in Support of Fair Rates.  As I read through the article, I realized that everything in this world has its own price. It is only now that it came to my understanding the need to support the Internet Radios with their battle for fair rights and price with the music that they deliver to us. It never came to my senses that these free online streaming radios, who’s doing the music industry a favor would pay too much of what they don’t deserve. This fight is not for Internet Radios alone but for every music lover and musician who gets nothing but the benefit of Free listening and promotion, respectively. Help us spread this unspeakable truth… [...] [...] Today, I found an eye-opener article in the net written by Peter Kirn titled Today is Internet Radio Day of Silence; Join Musicians in Support of Fair Rates.  As I read through the article, I realized that everything in this world has its own price. It is only now that it came to my understanding the need to support the Internet Radios with their battle for fair rights and price with the music that they deliver to us. It never came to my senses that these free online streaming radios, who’s doing the music industry a favor would pay too much of what they don’t deserve. This fight is not for Internet Radios alone but for every music lover and musician who gets nothing but the benefit of Free listening and promotion, respectively. Help us spread this unspeakable truth… [...]

]]> By: your wiki guide http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-210760 your wiki guide Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:47:55 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-210760 i agree, this is a very good article. This fight should not be shouldered by the internet radios alone. One way or the other, though we may not have the passion to listen music from them, we will still be affected with this thought. i just hope that our voice will be heard.. i agree, this is a very good article. This fight should not be shouldered by the internet radios alone. One way or the other, though we may not have the passion to listen music from them, we will still be affected with this thought. i just hope that our voice will be heard..

]]> By: dave smith http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-210744 dave smith Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:31:25 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-210744 Who cares about giving money to artists. Why don't you do art for arts sake? I've been doing this since i was a kid. The whole idea of making money for your art is a capitalistic idiots nightmare created by people like rupert murdoch to make money. Who cares about giving money to artists. Why don’t you do art for arts sake? I’ve been doing this since i was a kid. The whole idea of making money for your art is a capitalistic idiots nightmare created by people like rupert murdoch to make money.

]]> By: Brad Sucks http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-210497 Brad Sucks Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:34:09 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-210497 <strong>Internet Radio Day of Silence...</strong> Peter Kirn has a good article on the Internet Radio Day of Silence, which is today. There’s a huge service-killing hike in the pipe for web radio royalties. I want to care about this but I don’t listen to web radio, I’m not... Internet Radio Day of Silence…

Peter Kirn has a good article on the Internet Radio Day of Silence, which is today. There’s a huge service-killing hike in the pipe for web radio royalties.
I want to care about this but I don’t listen to web radio, I’m not…

]]> By: ctx http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-210457 ctx Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:59:11 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-210457 It's unfortunate that the savenetradio people don't mention that the bills they are pushing cut the current (not new) rates substantially, despite the fact that viable businesses are already operating under those rates. Another thing I hear that bothers me is "we just want rates comparable to satellite", which I have seen in several articles and I believe on the savenetradio site itself. Small broadcasters that qualify for the percentage of revenue option currently pay 10-12%. Satellite pays 10%. The bill gives everyone a 7.5% of revenue option regardless of size. That is a bigger difference from satellite than the current (not new) rates (for small broadcasters). You might then argue that large broadcasters don't get that benefit, but the bill also specifies that a per listener hour rate that is less than a third of what it is under the current rates. The one good thing about the bill is that it changes the $500 per station administrative fee (entirely unreasonable for pandora or live365 type sites) to $500 per provider, which is much closer to reality, I think. Don't get me wrong, the new rates are a disaster, but the proposed legislation is just a money grab in the opposite direction. It’s unfortunate that the savenetradio people don’t mention that the bills they are pushing cut the current (not new) rates substantially, despite the fact that viable businesses are already operating under those rates.

Another thing I hear that bothers me is “we just want rates comparable to satellite”, which I have seen in several articles and I believe on the savenetradio site itself. Small broadcasters that qualify for the percentage of revenue option currently pay 10-12%. Satellite pays 10%. The bill gives everyone a 7.5% of revenue option regardless of size. That is a bigger difference from satellite than the current (not new) rates (for small broadcasters).

You might then argue that large broadcasters don’t get that benefit, but the bill also specifies that a per listener hour rate that is less than a third of what it is under the current rates.

The one good thing about the bill is that it changes the $500 per station administrative fee (entirely unreasonable for pandora or live365 type sites) to $500 per provider, which is much closer to reality, I think.

Don’t get me wrong, the new rates are a disaster, but the proposed legislation is just a money grab in the opposite direction.

]]> By: steve baker http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-210092 steve baker Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:42:56 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-210092 As a performing muscian and writer of over 30 years standing I think there's an urgent need for a realistic approach to broadcast royalties. Demanding too much will kill the goose which lays the golden eggs and stifle new impulses. It's very likely to most benefit those who least need it and will reduce cultural diversity. Of course, this may be the idea. As a performing muscian and writer of over 30 years standing I think there’s an urgent need for a realistic approach to broadcast royalties. Demanding too much will kill the goose which lays the golden eggs and stifle new impulses. It’s very likely to most benefit those who least need it and will reduce cultural diversity. Of course, this may be the idea.

]]> By: Craig Maloney » Internet Radio Day of Silence http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-209946 Craig Maloney » Internet Radio Day of Silence Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:56:42 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/06/26/today-is-internet-radio-day-of-silence-join-musicians-in-support-fair-rates/#comment-209946 [...] Create Digital Music » Today is Internet Radio Day of Silence; Join Musicians in Support of Fair Rates [...] [...] Create Digital Music » Today is Internet Radio Day of Silence; Join Musicians in Support of Fair Rates [...]

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