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	<title>Comments on: Web 2.0 Sampling: Free Samples at Soundsnap.com, Freesound Project</title>
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		<title>By: Create Digital Music &#187; Your Top 10 Music Tech CDM Stories of 2007</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/06/web-20-sampling-free-samples-at-soundsnapcom-freesound-project/#comment-376427</link>
		<dc:creator>Create Digital Music &#187; Your Top 10 Music Tech CDM Stories of 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] #8: Web 2.0 Sampling: Free Samples at Soundsnap.com, Freesound Project [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Founders of the NKC - A blog from a hip hop duo &#187; A few sites of interest</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/06/web-20-sampling-free-samples-at-soundsnapcom-freesound-project/#comment-340807</link>
		<dc:creator>Founders of the NKC - A blog from a hip hop duo &#187; A few sites of interest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Admittedly, I got all of these from the CDM website. It&#8217;s a really cool site with tonnes of great info. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Keith Handy</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/06/web-20-sampling-free-samples-at-soundsnapcom-freesound-project/#comment-222935</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Handy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I joined soundsnap and uploaded a couple of weird sounds to see how it goes.  One thing I wish it had was a way to upload wavs as a collection, for multi-sampled instruments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I joined soundsnap and uploaded a couple of weird sounds to see how it goes.  One thing I wish it had was a way to upload wavs as a collection, for multi-sampled instruments.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-07-11 &#124; blog.forret.com</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/06/web-20-sampling-free-samples-at-soundsnapcom-freesound-project/#comment-221943</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-07-11 &#124; blog.forret.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Create Digital Music » Web 2.0 Sampling: Free Samples at Soundsnap.com, Freesound Project The angle here is “high-quality” sounds, categorized by use, with everything from music loops to sound effects. That contrasts with the more free-form efforts we’ve seen elsewhere (tags: music samples library opensource free community audio) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Create Digital Music » Web 2.0 Sampling: Free Samples at Soundsnap.com, Freesound Project The angle here is “high-quality” sounds, categorized by use, with everything from music loops to sound effects. That contrasts with the more free-form efforts we’ve seen elsewhere (tags: music samples library opensource free community audio) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Soundsnap e Freesound - samples grátis para todos</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/06/web-20-sampling-free-samples-at-soundsnapcom-freesound-project/#comment-221237</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Soundsnap e Freesound - samples grátis para todos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (via mediateletipos e Create Digital Music) Guardar este post em:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/06/web-20-sampling-free-samples-at-soundsnapcom-freesound-project/#comment-221122</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, certainly, I can see that there's reason to mention that.

I'm not criticizing the site for lacking a CC license, though; merely observing the difference. As I said in the post, my sense is the end user is going to find that licenses on both this site and the CC sites give them the freedom they need. Other functionality and content are likely more significant differences.

Mostly what we want to stop is the wholesale reuse of what's on CDM. We actually do want the right to maintain readership on this site. The biggest problem has been people scraping RSS feeds and putting the whole thing somewhere else automatically. They may not care about CC versus Copyright, but at the same time, I actually really dislike tools like ReBlog. I'd rather read something original by someone with a link and an excerpt that just a cut-and-paste version of lots of other sites.

Beyond that, I don't think we need a CC license for the ways in which people already excerpt and link to our content, and people certainly haven't been shy about doing all the things that we do appreciate.

I think sampling and re-use are most legitimate when you pick and choose the stuff that makes the most sense and label it explicitly.

As an example, I think I will go back and turn on CC license for our Flickr stream, which we intend to use more. I'm not sure if any of the video sites do the same. That's a case where CC really does make sense ... you have a link via the image back to the photographer's stream (as per Flickr's rules of content), you very often make connections in the Flickr community, you are required by both Flickr and CC to give credit, and there are very often cases where sampling an image is something you need to do and could not do easily with copyrighted content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, certainly, I can see that there&#8217;s reason to mention that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not criticizing the site for lacking a CC license, though; merely observing the difference. As I said in the post, my sense is the end user is going to find that licenses on both this site and the CC sites give them the freedom they need. Other functionality and content are likely more significant differences.</p>
<p>Mostly what we want to stop is the wholesale reuse of what&#8217;s on CDM. We actually do want the right to maintain readership on this site. The biggest problem has been people scraping RSS feeds and putting the whole thing somewhere else automatically. They may not care about CC versus Copyright, but at the same time, I actually really dislike tools like ReBlog. I&#8217;d rather read something original by someone with a link and an excerpt that just a cut-and-paste version of lots of other sites.</p>
<p>Beyond that, I don&#8217;t think we need a CC license for the ways in which people already excerpt and link to our content, and people certainly haven&#8217;t been shy about doing all the things that we do appreciate.</p>
<p>I think sampling and re-use are most legitimate when you pick and choose the stuff that makes the most sense and label it explicitly.</p>
<p>As an example, I think I will go back and turn on CC license for our Flickr stream, which we intend to use more. I&#8217;m not sure if any of the video sites do the same. That&#8217;s a case where CC really does make sense &#8230; you have a link via the image back to the photographer&#8217;s stream (as per Flickr&#8217;s rules of content), you very often make connections in the Flickr community, you are required by both Flickr and CC to give credit, and there are very often cases where sampling an image is something you need to do and could not do easily with copyrighted content.</p>
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		<title>By: jean poole</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/06/web-20-sampling-free-samples-at-soundsnapcom-freesound-project/#comment-221030</link>
		<dc:creator>jean poole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well bloggers seem to recycle lots of other peoples content / links all the time anyway....  so I find the CC licences make sense... and if anything, when included on your site, add visibility to the *idea* that sampling &#38; re-use is legitimate and worthwhile ...

I guess I like the creative commons idea - that "You can use CC to change your copyright terms from "All Rights Reserved" to "Some Rights Reserved." - which I thought would cover your needs anyway? Mostly I imagine you want to stop commercial re-use of your work, which various creative commons licenses exist specifically to prevent... &lt;a href="http://creativecommons.org/license/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://creativecommons.org/license&lt;/a&gt;...

Not a biggie - and I only mentioned in the first place, because you were critiquing a sound site for not having a creative commons license, which seemed to make the copyright symbol at the bottom of the post stand out all the more....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well bloggers seem to recycle lots of other peoples content / links all the time anyway&#8230;.  so I find the CC licences make sense&#8230; and if anything, when included on your site, add visibility to the *idea* that sampling &amp; re-use is legitimate and worthwhile &#8230;</p>
<p>I guess I like the creative commons idea - that &#8220;You can use CC to change your copyright terms from &#8220;All Rights Reserved&#8221; to &#8220;Some Rights Reserved.&#8221; - which I thought would cover your needs anyway? Mostly I imagine you want to stop commercial re-use of your work, which various creative commons licenses exist specifically to prevent&#8230; <a href="http://creativecommons.org/license/" rel="nofollow">http://creativecommons.org/license</a>&#8230;</p>
<p>Not a biggie - and I only mentioned in the first place, because you were critiquing a sound site for not having a creative commons license, which seemed to make the copyright symbol at the bottom of the post stand out all the more&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/06/web-20-sampling-free-samples-at-soundsnapcom-freesound-project/#comment-218450</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean, I'm a big believer in CC for certain content. In terms of the text on CDM, though, we want to be able to retain control on the text and distribution. Fair use covers any reasonable excerpting of the stories. In this case, we actually have to try to counter what usually happens, which is people scraping RSS in sometimes-nasty ways. I can see releasing certain content under CC. The first measure would be that it would be useful as such, which I think most posts probably aren't ...

As for why my Flickr stuff isn't CC; um, there I just need to take the time and set up the license, which I do intend to do. Thanks for the reminder. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean, I&#8217;m a big believer in CC for certain content. In terms of the text on CDM, though, we want to be able to retain control on the text and distribution. Fair use covers any reasonable excerpting of the stories. In this case, we actually have to try to counter what usually happens, which is people scraping RSS in sometimes-nasty ways. I can see releasing certain content under CC. The first measure would be that it would be useful as such, which I think most posts probably aren&#8217;t &#8230;</p>
<p>As for why my Flickr stuff isn&#8217;t CC; um, there I just need to take the time and set up the license, which I do intend to do. Thanks for the reminder. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: jean poole</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/06/web-20-sampling-free-samples-at-soundsnapcom-freesound-project/#comment-218353</link>
		<dc:creator>jean poole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link... on the copyright front - was wondering why CDM itself doesn't take advantage of Creative Commons for its own posts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link&#8230; on the copyright front - was wondering why CDM itself doesn&#8217;t take advantage of Creative Commons for its own posts?</p>
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		<title>By: Rat</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/06/web-20-sampling-free-samples-at-soundsnapcom-freesound-project/#comment-218327</link>
		<dc:creator>Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been using this for a while now..
http://www.findsounds.com/
to get the occasional sound effect and wot-have-you.
You can also specify the format, bit resolution and sample rate you want.
There's a little bit of a disclaimer on the legal front though.. Although in theory they remove reference to any sounds which are copyrighted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using this for a while now..<br />
<a href="http://www.findsounds.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.findsounds.com/</a><br />
to get the occasional sound effect and wot-have-you.<br />
You can also specify the format, bit resolution and sample rate you want.<br />
There&#8217;s a little bit of a disclaimer on the legal front though.. Although in theory they remove reference to any sounds which are copyrighted.</p>
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