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	<title>Comments on: Zoom H2 Portable Flash Recorder Coming Soon; Mic Design Delay</title>
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		<title>By: Colin Lamb</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/24/zoom-h2-portable-flash-recorder-coming-soon-mic-design-delay/comment-page-2/#comment-848139</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A) Zoom H2 Start-up time.   After a number of &#039;runs&#039; with various card sizes and brands I graphed the results and found a very nearly linear relationship.  Minimum time is 5.1 secs (no card inserted) + 1 second per Gbyte of card size.  ie. 1GB card = 6.1 seconds, 4 GB card = 9.1 seconds and 16 GB card (largest I have) = 21.1 seconds.  This is for cards which have already been formatted for H2, and which don&#039;t have any photos or other file types on them.  New cards or those with other kinds of files do take longer.  For fast/impromptu recordings I now just keep a 1Gb card in the H2 all the time.  This gives 6 sec. start up, and and nearly 90 mins recording time at my &#039;default&#039; setting of 16bit/48Khz sample rate. I use a suitable larger card for planned/longer sessions, where there is time to set up the H2 beforehand. 

b) Battery life. Current drain is about 220Ma recording/playing (16/48Khz). I&#039;ve tested a variety of alkaline, lithium, and NiMH cells. On average (3 runs)of each type) Good brand-name alkalines gave just over 5 1/2 hours.  Lithiums gave gave 9 1/2 hours, and NiMH cells lasted from 9 1/4 to 10 hours.  Given that NiMH cells are so much more economical (even allowing for the cost of a really good charger) I just have several pairs on hand and rotate them regularly. I do keep a couple of Lithiums in my bag also as they have at least a 6-8 year shelf life, and thus are good insurance.
c) I agree that the lack of a track duration indication/bargraph on playback is a pity - who cares what the remaining blank time is when listening to a track, although it can be useful when recording.
 I&#039;d also like to have the &#039;File&#039; menu at the top of the list, and some of the functions I don&#039;t use placed at the bottom. (or the facility for users to rearrange the list to suit their own needs). Minor quibble!  
c) The sound quality.  Maybe not exactly &#039;studio&#039;, but I compare it to the results I was getting from good condenser mics, metal tapes and a hi-grade cassette recorder with Dolby C and HX-Pro.  It is very acceptable, both in terms of sound quality and noise level, even using the in-built mics. It is succeptible to handling noise unless one is very careful, so I usually tripod mount it, or else don&#039;t move a muscle while hand holding it. With an external pre-amp and mics the results are better still (with some care with levels to avoid overload on the line input.)
d) Ruggedness.  What ruggedness?!  I keep it in a stiff, close fitting,velvet lined digital camera case (still fits in a trouser pocket, or a baggy shirt one)and it has taken any number of bumps and drops unscathed. The battery and card covers will probably break eventualy, but it will work without those anyway.    
e) Overall.  Given its size, convenience and the fact that it cost less than a single mediun quality condenser mic. the results are quite  amazingly good for the things I use it for. These include: School music  practices/performances, concerts (Including Andre Rieu) organ recitals, church services etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A) Zoom H2 Start-up time.   After a number of &#8216;runs&#8217; with various card sizes and brands I graphed the results and found a very nearly linear relationship.  Minimum time is 5.1 secs (no card inserted) + 1 second per Gbyte of card size.  ie. 1GB card = 6.1 seconds, 4 GB card = 9.1 seconds and 16 GB card (largest I have) = 21.1 seconds.  This is for cards which have already been formatted for H2, and which don&#8217;t have any photos or other file types on them.  New cards or those with other kinds of files do take longer.  For fast/impromptu recordings I now just keep a 1Gb card in the H2 all the time.  This gives 6 sec. start up, and and nearly 90 mins recording time at my &#8216;default&#8217; setting of 16bit/48Khz sample rate. I use a suitable larger card for planned/longer sessions, where there is time to set up the H2 beforehand. </p>
<p>b) Battery life. Current drain is about 220Ma recording/playing (16/48Khz). I&#8217;ve tested a variety of alkaline, lithium, and NiMH cells. On average (3 runs)of each type) Good brand-name alkalines gave just over 5 1/2 hours.  Lithiums gave gave 9 1/2 hours, and NiMH cells lasted from 9 1/4 to 10 hours.  Given that NiMH cells are so much more economical (even allowing for the cost of a really good charger) I just have several pairs on hand and rotate them regularly. I do keep a couple of Lithiums in my bag also as they have at least a 6-8 year shelf life, and thus are good insurance.<br />
c) I agree that the lack of a track duration indication/bargraph on playback is a pity &#8211; who cares what the remaining blank time is when listening to a track, although it can be useful when recording.<br />
 I&#8217;d also like to have the &#8216;File&#8217; menu at the top of the list, and some of the functions I don&#8217;t use placed at the bottom. (or the facility for users to rearrange the list to suit their own needs). Minor quibble!<br />
c) The sound quality.  Maybe not exactly &#8217;studio&#8217;, but I compare it to the results I was getting from good condenser mics, metal tapes and a hi-grade cassette recorder with Dolby C and HX-Pro.  It is very acceptable, both in terms of sound quality and noise level, even using the in-built mics. It is succeptible to handling noise unless one is very careful, so I usually tripod mount it, or else don&#8217;t move a muscle while hand holding it. With an external pre-amp and mics the results are better still (with some care with levels to avoid overload on the line input.)<br />
d) Ruggedness.  What ruggedness?!  I keep it in a stiff, close fitting,velvet lined digital camera case (still fits in a trouser pocket, or a baggy shirt one)and it has taken any number of bumps and drops unscathed. The battery and card covers will probably break eventualy, but it will work without those anyway.<br />
e) Overall.  Given its size, convenience and the fact that it cost less than a single mediun quality condenser mic. the results are quite  amazingly good for the things I use it for. These include: School music  practices/performances, concerts (Including Andre Rieu) organ recitals, church services etc.</p>
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		<title>By: David Geffner</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Geffner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been a great discussion. Thanks very much! I am choosing between the Zoom H2, the Edirol R-09 and the Tascam DR-1 to replace my Sony MD player (loved the MD player but Sony stopped making it and when my two year old kicked mine off the desk, fouling up data track, memory and record, I figured it&#039;s time to disc-less). No one has mentioned the Tascam, which retails for about $300, less then the Edirol bur more than the Zoom H2, so I would be curious if anyone has any samples to post from this unit or opinions about the Tascam vs. the other units. Also I have called Roland and Zoom and both insist the unit will mount very simply as a USB drive on the desktop of my Mac, and I can download or upload in Leopard 10.5.2 with no problem...famous last words as I have had numerous compatibility bugs with Leopard and other apps/volumes since installing. any experiences with mounting and interfacing in Leopard would also be appreciated. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been a great discussion. Thanks very much! I am choosing between the Zoom H2, the Edirol R-09 and the Tascam DR-1 to replace my Sony MD player (loved the MD player but Sony stopped making it and when my two year old kicked mine off the desk, fouling up data track, memory and record, I figured it&#8217;s time to disc-less). No one has mentioned the Tascam, which retails for about $300, less then the Edirol bur more than the Zoom H2, so I would be curious if anyone has any samples to post from this unit or opinions about the Tascam vs. the other units. Also I have called Roland and Zoom and both insist the unit will mount very simply as a USB drive on the desktop of my Mac, and I can download or upload in Leopard 10.5.2 with no problem&#8230;famous last words as I have had numerous compatibility bugs with Leopard and other apps/volumes since installing. any experiences with mounting and interfacing in Leopard would also be appreciated. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve bought an H2 to record rehearsal sessions; it&#039;s fine for acoustic instruments, but when we turned the volume up, the recordings were VERY distorted, no matter what I did with the input settings. Can anybody recommend an external mic, that will work with the H2, that can handle very loud sound levels?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve bought an H2 to record rehearsal sessions; it&#8217;s fine for acoustic instruments, but when we turned the volume up, the recordings were VERY distorted, no matter what I did with the input settings. Can anybody recommend an external mic, that will work with the H2, that can handle very loud sound levels?</p>
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		<title>By: Create Digital Music &#187; Zoom H4 Mobile Recording: Useful for Movie Production?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Create Digital Music &#187; Zoom H4 Mobile Recording: Useful for Movie Production?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an ideal digital mobile recorder. If you haven&#8217;t been following comments, we&#8217;ve had an extended discussion by readers on the Zoom H4 mobile recorder, its upcoming smaller sibling the H2, and competitive devices like [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dark Moon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dark Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi
Some reviews notes that it it not possible to record loud music because of clipping also in &quot;L&quot;-position. Drew Weber has recorded a loud guitar that sounds great. What&#039;s about a whole band in a band room ? (when ear protecting is necessary ;-)

And what&#039;s about using the H2 as an audio interface. If I run a record AND a playback track in Cubase/Logic do I hear the mix on the phone line out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
Some reviews notes that it it not possible to record loud music because of clipping also in &#8220;L&#8221;-position. Drew Weber has recorded a loud guitar that sounds great. What&#8217;s about a whole band in a band room ? (when ear protecting is necessary ;-)</p>
<p>And what&#8217;s about using the H2 as an audio interface. If I run a record AND a playback track in Cubase/Logic do I hear the mix on the phone line out?</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 02:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your planning on using the h2 as a line in recorder: you&#039;ll want to pick up a &quot;in line headphone volume control&quot;.  This is because the volume of the line in jack on the h2 is some what to high for some line outputs.
running inline volume control to h2&#039;s line in jack.
plug the line out source into the inline volume control&#039;s input, from volume control&#039;s output, go into h2&#039;s line in jack.
Get what ever other adapters you think you&#039;ll need to connect.
The inline control lets you turn down volume going into h2&#039;s line in jack, especially useful when source doesn&#039;t have volume control.
And, so you don&#039;t have to go searching, try radioshack, got mine today for $10.00.
And to answer your next or, mabey first question, no you can&#039;t turn down actual line input volume on h2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your planning on using the h2 as a line in recorder: you&#8217;ll want to pick up a &#8220;in line headphone volume control&#8221;.  This is because the volume of the line in jack on the h2 is some what to high for some line outputs.<br />
running inline volume control to h2&#8217;s line in jack.<br />
plug the line out source into the inline volume control&#8217;s input, from volume control&#8217;s output, go into h2&#8217;s line in jack.<br />
Get what ever other adapters you think you&#8217;ll need to connect.<br />
The inline control lets you turn down volume going into h2&#8217;s line in jack, especially useful when source doesn&#8217;t have volume control.<br />
And, so you don&#8217;t have to go searching, try radioshack, got mine today for $10.00.<br />
And to answer your next or, mabey first question, no you can&#8217;t turn down actual line input volume on h2.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Weber</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/24/zoom-h2-portable-flash-recorder-coming-soon-mic-design-delay/comment-page-2/#comment-364511</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m visually impaired, so naturally I&#039;m an audio freak, and love all that technology has to offer.  I&#039;ve worked in a nice home studio setup for a few years now, and know a thing or two about digital audio.  So now, with that said, I&#039;ll give my take on this recorder.

I haven&#039;t had it for long, so sure theirs lots to learn. To keep this some what short, I&#039;m basically raving about the quality the H2 gives. The internal microphones I&#039;d say are amazing, for a peace of equipment in this price range.  Already I&#039;ve put them through several tests and they, for the most part have proved themselves. When almost no sound is present, their is a very low hiss, which would only b expected.  A recording of voice in 44.1 wave format yields an almost studio like recording (sounds like a nice microphone plugged directly into a sound mixing board). Loud sounds if levels are set right sound great to! 

To backup my statements, check out these audio samples I have recorded. These samples will cover loud sounds.

Recorder Setup at time of recording: internal microphones were in surround/stereo mode. (all four microphones were active and mixed down into two channel stereo). Samples were recorded in 44.1 Wave format, volume was maximized in Goldwave and saved to mp3 128 KBPS.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mediafire.com/?dnw3hxys441&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;H2 Drums Sample&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mediafire.com/?12zzs10ggud&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;H2 LFE Bass Test&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mediafire.com/?bzigxlbsjmg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;H2 Loud Guitar Amp Test&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m visually impaired, so naturally I&#8217;m an audio freak, and love all that technology has to offer.  I&#8217;ve worked in a nice home studio setup for a few years now, and know a thing or two about digital audio.  So now, with that said, I&#8217;ll give my take on this recorder.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t had it for long, so sure theirs lots to learn. To keep this some what short, I&#8217;m basically raving about the quality the H2 gives. The internal microphones I&#8217;d say are amazing, for a peace of equipment in this price range.  Already I&#8217;ve put them through several tests and they, for the most part have proved themselves. When almost no sound is present, their is a very low hiss, which would only b expected.  A recording of voice in 44.1 wave format yields an almost studio like recording (sounds like a nice microphone plugged directly into a sound mixing board). Loud sounds if levels are set right sound great to! </p>
<p>To backup my statements, check out these audio samples I have recorded. These samples will cover loud sounds.</p>
<p>Recorder Setup at time of recording: internal microphones were in surround/stereo mode. (all four microphones were active and mixed down into two channel stereo). Samples were recorded in 44.1 Wave format, volume was maximized in Goldwave and saved to mp3 128 KBPS.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?dnw3hxys441" rel="nofollow">H2 Drums Sample</a><br />
<a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?12zzs10ggud" rel="nofollow">H2 LFE Bass Test</a><br />
<a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?bzigxlbsjmg" rel="nofollow">H2 Loud Guitar Amp Test</a></p>
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		<title>By: igor56</title>
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		<dc:creator>igor56</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to add my 2 cents to this discussion as a classical composer, not a recording engineer. I had (have) a Microtrack and not only did the battery die rather quickly, the entire unit did not really survive a short plane flight in my carry-on and the mike also took a bad hit. M-Audio is giving me a rough time about who can do the repairs, since I bought it in the States and neither the German or British folks will accept it. Pain...
So I got me an H2. Had a concert two nights ago and recorded it without doing a lot of experimenting with best recording settings and such. I was blown away with the result. Far better than the Microtrack, which was for me so much better than what I was getting with a DAT. It is fast, responsive, easy to use once you get the idea. Downside: small letters (though I am 50, I can easily read it without glasses), battery life horrible (two penlights just made it through the 50 minutes of recording) and using the built-in software to edit takes a very long time. I tried the limiter function and that took more than two hours to do the 50 minute piece and then it took about 4 hours to convert it to mp3. Results for classical music (voice, clarinet, bassoon, trumpet, trombone, violin, bass and percussion) were very good, no extreme cut-offs. If I can solve the power problems, I will be one happy feller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to add my 2 cents to this discussion as a classical composer, not a recording engineer. I had (have) a Microtrack and not only did the battery die rather quickly, the entire unit did not really survive a short plane flight in my carry-on and the mike also took a bad hit. M-Audio is giving me a rough time about who can do the repairs, since I bought it in the States and neither the German or British folks will accept it. Pain&#8230;<br />
So I got me an H2. Had a concert two nights ago and recorded it without doing a lot of experimenting with best recording settings and such. I was blown away with the result. Far better than the Microtrack, which was for me so much better than what I was getting with a DAT. It is fast, responsive, easy to use once you get the idea. Downside: small letters (though I am 50, I can easily read it without glasses), battery life horrible (two penlights just made it through the 50 minutes of recording) and using the built-in software to edit takes a very long time. I tried the limiter function and that took more than two hours to do the 50 minute piece and then it took about 4 hours to convert it to mp3. Results for classical music (voice, clarinet, bassoon, trumpet, trombone, violin, bass and percussion) were very good, no extreme cut-offs. If I can solve the power problems, I will be one happy feller.</p>
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		<title>By: nuqfihoaaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>nuqfihoaaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Situated in the shadow http://zicosabi.blogspot.com nuqfihoaaz. can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://kecujice.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kecujice&lt;/a&gt; century post [url=http://pujikula.blogspot.com] pujikula [/url] in Harrow on [url] http://kefogehu.blogspot.com [/url]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Situated in the shadow <a href="http://zicosabi.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://zicosabi.blogspot.com</a> nuqfihoaaz. can be found <a href="http://kecujice.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">kecujice</a> century post [url=http://pujikula.blogspot.com] pujikula [/url] in Harrow on [url] <a href="http://kefogehu.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://kefogehu.blogspot.com</a> [/url]</p>
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		<title>By: Cezary_J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cezary_J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m interested in A/D noise of H2 (24/96 line input shunt with wire or small resistor). Can anyone publish such wav file (even short) for measuring purposes?</description>
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