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		<title>By: Mike Wilson &#187; Blog Archive &#187; the cost of compressed music</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Wilson &#187; Blog Archive &#187; the cost of compressed music</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mp3 Music: No Longer Connected to Your Brain? MP3s, bad because they have less music in them. So much less music, in fact, that your brain loses the ability to feel emotionslistening to them. Okay, sure, over-compressed MP3s sound awful, especially at lower bitrates. But get ready for some strange psychoacoustics here, folks. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mp3 Music: No Longer Connected to Your Brain? MP3s, bad because they have less music in them. So much less music, in fact, that your brain loses the ability to feel emotionslistening to them. Okay, sure, over-compressed MP3s sound awful, especially at lower bitrates. But get ready for some strange psychoacoustics here, folks. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;myself&quot;&gt;MP3s are the GIFs of the ears.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Audio compression isn&#039;t much different then image compression. Sometimes a compressed picture can be a fraction of the size and look as good as before, and sometimes a more colorful picture will compressed the same amount and look like crap. We have to realize that every beat doesn&#039;t have any real significance it&#039;s the bigger picture that counts. When we look at a web page we don&#039;t take a moment to look at every pixel, we scan it for what we want. The same concept can be applied for music. I can honestly say I can tell a difference between 128kbs and 256kbs (65% of the time) but unless I am in a quite dark environment I couldn&#039;t tell the differcne. I think that a better quality copy of a recording will amount to a better experience if the recording is of high quality, if the audio equipment is of quality, and if the environment and the mindset of the listener are in the right condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="myself"><p>MP3s are the GIFs of the ears.</p></blockquote>
<p>Audio compression isn&#8217;t much different then image compression. Sometimes a compressed picture can be a fraction of the size and look as good as before, and sometimes a more colorful picture will compressed the same amount and look like crap. We have to realize that every beat doesn&#8217;t have any real significance it&#8217;s the bigger picture that counts. When we look at a web page we don&#8217;t take a moment to look at every pixel, we scan it for what we want. The same concept can be applied for music. I can honestly say I can tell a difference between 128kbs and 256kbs (65% of the time) but unless I am in a quite dark environment I couldn&#8217;t tell the differcne. I think that a better quality copy of a recording will amount to a better experience if the recording is of high quality, if the audio equipment is of quality, and if the environment and the mindset of the listener are in the right condition.</p>
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		<title>By: Going Mobile Means More Static</title>
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		<dc:creator>Going Mobile Means More Static</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Regardless of alleged physiological or neurological responses to inferior sound quality, it cannot be denied that listening to a song on decent reproduction equipment is a far more pleasant experience - and at least one still has the option of encoding mp3s at 320kbps rather than 64. On the other hand, it seems somewhat pithy to suggest that up to 50% of the &#8216;music&#8217; is lost via compression codecs - a great song can move you even if you&#8217;re listening to a third-generation cassette copy through a single headphone on an ancient walkman you found in a pound shop bargain bin. It seems that audio engineers may sometimes forget that music is much more than sound&#8230;the essence of music can take a fair amount of fidelity abuse before it becomes unlistenable. Share this Post: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Regardless of alleged physiological or neurological responses to inferior sound quality, it cannot be denied that listening to a song on decent reproduction equipment is a far more pleasant experience &#8211; and at least one still has the option of encoding mp3s at 320kbps rather than 64. On the other hand, it seems somewhat pithy to suggest that up to 50% of the &#8216;music&#8217; is lost via compression codecs &#8211; a great song can move you even if you&#8217;re listening to a third-generation cassette copy through a single headphone on an ancient walkman you found in a pound shop bargain bin. It seems that audio engineers may sometimes forget that music is much more than sound&#8230;the essence of music can take a fair amount of fidelity abuse before it becomes unlistenable. Share this Post: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Valis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, when I saw this on /. and read the &#039;screen door&#039; comment, my first thought was &#039;grill cloth&#039;...

LAME also has optimizations in VBR mode to deal better with &#039;transients&#039; btw. These are not new either, but were originally in 3.90.3, although limited to that version until the last year or so; as of 3.96.x they&#039;re in by default and the --alt-preset (or any other preset) switch will simply default to whatever the comparable V setting is (V0-V2 are all acceptable replacements for 256-320k). LAME is and always has been suboptimial for CBR (320k CBR in other words) as most of the work that&#039;s been put into tuning it over the last several years has been on its VBR mode.  

Fraunhofer&#039;s &quot;improvement&#039;s&quot; are less well documented (and in many cases trade secrets) but CBR fares better there and is its continued claim to fame (especially for streaming data).  AAC and other less known wavelet methods are again making strides over the &#039;older&#039; tech, although modern mp3 codecs referred to here (not sure about Xing) are coming alone fine too.  And then there&#039;s Vorbis, which also sounds a lot better than it did several years back (Ogg is just a wrapper btw, like mp4).

CD&#039;s and vinyl are largely fixed standards where the actual implementation is fixed (RIAA curve, redbook audio etc).  Although the production and playback mechanisms are subject to refinement, outside of rediculously overpriced audiophile gear you&#039;re unlikely to find anything available new that actually is refined.  

Compare a higher end CD player from the early 80&#039;s to one from the same (or similar company) today.  You won&#039;t even find a product category for that outside of an audiophile shop as it&#039;s all based on the same highly integrated reduced set of cheaply made circuits, regardless of whether it winds up in a boom box, car stereo or standalone player for a component system.  You&#039;d have to go to the audiophile shop to find anything that has any real design put into it and that will last longer than a few years.  The same thing for turntables, except you&#039;re setting the benchmark for a &#039;good&#039; mainstream turntable further back (late 70&#039;s).

And their replacements will also be fixed, which gives the &#039;industry&#039; a nice 10-15 year stepping between everyone &#039;rebuying&#039; their favorite music in the &#039;new&#039; accepted standard.  Although I&#039;m not sure that anyone really cares about DVD-A or SACD. Tape shouldn&#039;t even be introduced in &#039;sound quality&#039; discussions imo, at least not the consumer implementation.  

Mp3&#039;s (and other digital audio standards) are not subject to these limitations and will steadily improve over time, while older versions will play back just fine without having to dig out that old 8-track or tape deck.  Any attempt to compare a digital file format to a physical format is only relevant for as long as it takes the programmers to release another major stepping on the algorithm(s) they&#039;re working on for the digital format.

Incidentally imho vinyl&#039;s continuing existence is 2 fold, on one hand its lifespan goes back to the early spread of recorded commercial music and the physical form will hold up reasonably well as long as it&#039;s properly stored.  So my mom searches 2nd hand stores for listening to her &#039;christmas library&#039; etc.  On the other hand it&#039;s the preferred method of distribution for indie punk/hardcore/rawk etc (7&quot;) and dance music (12&quot;).  In the latter case certainly mp3&#039;s would be preferred for &#039;promotion&#039; and general (ipod etc) listening but most independant artists I know consider a vinyl release to be a certain benchmark.  This is why they&#039;re still done even though they&#039;re quite often done at a loss of break even financially.  Some will argue the &#039;sound quality&#039; point still but I always find that funny, considering that a 1200MkII isn&#039;t a standard due to its sound quality.  It&#039;s built like a tank though for sure (and pitchable)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, when I saw this on /. and read the &#8217;screen door&#8217; comment, my first thought was &#8216;grill cloth&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>LAME also has optimizations in VBR mode to deal better with &#8216;transients&#8217; btw. These are not new either, but were originally in 3.90.3, although limited to that version until the last year or so; as of 3.96.x they&#8217;re in by default and the &#8211;alt-preset (or any other preset) switch will simply default to whatever the comparable V setting is (V0-V2 are all acceptable replacements for 256-320k). LAME is and always has been suboptimial for CBR (320k CBR in other words) as most of the work that&#8217;s been put into tuning it over the last several years has been on its VBR mode.  </p>
<p>Fraunhofer&#8217;s &#8220;improvement&#8217;s&#8221; are less well documented (and in many cases trade secrets) but CBR fares better there and is its continued claim to fame (especially for streaming data).  AAC and other less known wavelet methods are again making strides over the &#8216;older&#8217; tech, although modern mp3 codecs referred to here (not sure about Xing) are coming alone fine too.  And then there&#8217;s Vorbis, which also sounds a lot better than it did several years back (Ogg is just a wrapper btw, like mp4).</p>
<p>CD&#8217;s and vinyl are largely fixed standards where the actual implementation is fixed (RIAA curve, redbook audio etc).  Although the production and playback mechanisms are subject to refinement, outside of rediculously overpriced audiophile gear you&#8217;re unlikely to find anything available new that actually is refined.  </p>
<p>Compare a higher end CD player from the early 80&#8217;s to one from the same (or similar company) today.  You won&#8217;t even find a product category for that outside of an audiophile shop as it&#8217;s all based on the same highly integrated reduced set of cheaply made circuits, regardless of whether it winds up in a boom box, car stereo or standalone player for a component system.  You&#8217;d have to go to the audiophile shop to find anything that has any real design put into it and that will last longer than a few years.  The same thing for turntables, except you&#8217;re setting the benchmark for a &#8216;good&#8217; mainstream turntable further back (late 70&#8217;s).</p>
<p>And their replacements will also be fixed, which gives the &#8216;industry&#8217; a nice 10-15 year stepping between everyone &#8216;rebuying&#8217; their favorite music in the &#8216;new&#8217; accepted standard.  Although I&#8217;m not sure that anyone really cares about DVD-A or SACD. Tape shouldn&#8217;t even be introduced in &#8217;sound quality&#8217; discussions imo, at least not the consumer implementation.  </p>
<p>Mp3&#8217;s (and other digital audio standards) are not subject to these limitations and will steadily improve over time, while older versions will play back just fine without having to dig out that old 8-track or tape deck.  Any attempt to compare a digital file format to a physical format is only relevant for as long as it takes the programmers to release another major stepping on the algorithm(s) they&#8217;re working on for the digital format.</p>
<p>Incidentally imho vinyl&#8217;s continuing existence is 2 fold, on one hand its lifespan goes back to the early spread of recorded commercial music and the physical form will hold up reasonably well as long as it&#8217;s properly stored.  So my mom searches 2nd hand stores for listening to her &#8216;christmas library&#8217; etc.  On the other hand it&#8217;s the preferred method of distribution for indie punk/hardcore/rawk etc (7&#8243;) and dance music (12&#8243;).  In the latter case certainly mp3&#8217;s would be preferred for &#8216;promotion&#8217; and general (ipod etc) listening but most independant artists I know consider a vinyl release to be a certain benchmark.  This is why they&#8217;re still done even though they&#8217;re quite often done at a loss of break even financially.  Some will argue the &#8217;sound quality&#8217; point still but I always find that funny, considering that a 1200MkII isn&#8217;t a standard due to its sound quality.  It&#8217;s built like a tank though for sure (and pitchable)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clydicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clydicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;MP3s have won the war of the formats because of technology, not because of their audio quality. â€œItâ€™s like hearing through a screen door,â€ says neuroscientist Daniel Levitin of McGill University, author of â€œThis Is Your Brain on Music.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s why they put speaker grille fabric on speakers - to pre-slice the audio, so it will fit through screen doors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>MP3s have won the war of the formats because of technology, not because of their audio quality. â€œItâ€™s like hearing through a screen door,â€ says neuroscientist Daniel Levitin of McGill University, author of â€œThis Is Your Brain on Music.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s why they put speaker grille fabric on speakers &#8211; to pre-slice the audio, so it will fit through screen doors.</p>
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		<title>By: micablog &#187; shut your precious whining analogue mouth</title>
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		<dc:creator>micablog &#187; shut your precious whining analogue mouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] People who complain about digital media, who moan on about the difference between the &#8220;warm&#8221; sound of vinyl versus digitally encoded music, really piss me off. I could understand if they were fully committed Luddites, playing ancient madrigals on harpsichords, and condemning all forms of audio recording as sterilising music, that it should be a moment shared between musician and listener. I would disagree, but I would respect their point of view. But people who claim to prefer the sound of digitally produced music when it has been recorded onto an vinyl? Stupid. Peter Kain&#8217;s post on CDM sums it up: If â€œnew records have sound all over themâ€, and MP3s â€œtake out some of the music,â€ does that mean the resulting record has the right amount of sound on it? You know, like taking your finger and wiping extra jam off of toast? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] People who complain about digital media, who moan on about the difference between the &#8220;warm&#8221; sound of vinyl versus digitally encoded music, really piss me off. I could understand if they were fully committed Luddites, playing ancient madrigals on harpsichords, and condemning all forms of audio recording as sterilising music, that it should be a moment shared between musician and listener. I would disagree, but I would respect their point of view. But people who claim to prefer the sound of digitally produced music when it has been recorded onto an vinyl? Stupid. Peter Kain&#8217;s post on CDM sums it up: If â€œnew records have sound all over themâ€, and MP3s â€œtake out some of the music,â€ does that mean the resulting record has the right amount of sound on it? You know, like taking your finger and wiping extra jam off of toast? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: p.boy sinsin</title>
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		<dc:creator>p.boy sinsin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole thing again?  The last time this controversy floated through the papers [1998?] I felt it was timely and totally agreed that mp3&#039;s sucked a whole lot of goodness out of music... but that was mostly because the bulk of what i &quot;found&quot; in mp3 was between 96-160kbps.

Now, and already somebody has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue32/lame.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mentioned this&lt;/a&gt;, but i&#039;ll state it again: 320kbps rips sound better than most CD&#039;s, and often times converting a CD to 320kbps via LAME will even enhance the material.  YES; the process of conversion from any format to mp3 does tend to &quot;up the contrast&quot; a bit -- long, spacey reverbs do sort of fade away longer and fast transients are cleaned up where in the original they felt a little thick.  The dynamics of mp3&#039;s are often slightly more stepped, and the stereo field feels pushed apart... These are mostly good things!  I watch my movies with higher contrast for greater impact, too.

As a producer, I&#039;m happy to be able to rip work to 48khz, 320kbps mp3&#039;s.  They&#039;re not nearly as bad as these weirdos with their broad generalizations seem to paint.  Maybe they don&#039;t realize they can actually have a bit more of the audio spectra recorded in an mp3, frequency-wise vs. CD&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing again?  The last time this controversy floated through the papers [1998?] I felt it was timely and totally agreed that mp3&#8217;s sucked a whole lot of goodness out of music&#8230; but that was mostly because the bulk of what i &#8220;found&#8221; in mp3 was between 96-160kbps.</p>
<p>Now, and already somebody has <a href="http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue32/lame.htm" rel="nofollow">mentioned this</a>, but i&#8217;ll state it again: 320kbps rips sound better than most CD&#8217;s, and often times converting a CD to 320kbps via LAME will even enhance the material.  YES; the process of conversion from any format to mp3 does tend to &#8220;up the contrast&#8221; a bit &#8212; long, spacey reverbs do sort of fade away longer and fast transients are cleaned up where in the original they felt a little thick.  The dynamics of mp3&#8217;s are often slightly more stepped, and the stereo field feels pushed apart&#8230; These are mostly good things!  I watch my movies with higher contrast for greater impact, too.</p>
<p>As a producer, I&#8217;m happy to be able to rip work to 48khz, 320kbps mp3&#8217;s.  They&#8217;re not nearly as bad as these weirdos with their broad generalizations seem to paint.  Maybe they don&#8217;t realize they can actually have a bit more of the audio spectra recorded in an mp3, frequency-wise vs. CD&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: richardn</title>
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		<dc:creator>richardn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and yes, I, of course, meant &quot;Sgt.&quot; not &quot;st&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and yes, I, of course, meant &#8220;Sgt.&#8221; not &#8220;st&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: richardn</title>
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		<dc:creator>richardn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I now have this vision &quot;Devil&quot; [see above] sitting in an anechoic chamber listening to &quot;St Peppers&quot; over and over again on a turntable while wearing the latex-molded ears of Sir George Martin.
[if such a product exists I&#039;ll have some too]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now have this vision &#8220;Devil&#8221; [see above] sitting in an anechoic chamber listening to &#8220;St Peppers&#8221; over and over again on a turntable while wearing the latex-molded ears of Sir George Martin.<br />
[if such a product exists I'll have some too]</p>
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		<title>By: an expert</title>
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		<dc:creator>an expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Dri is nice.

The Devil is evil.  As an expert, I find things that can be described as &quot;sucking&quot; or &quot;good&quot; are usually not facts. Also, I find that &quot;difference&quot; is not bad unless I am being a bigot.

Finally, much music has been created, recorded, encoded, and distributed digitally and what was left of the music moved my emotions quite vigorously.  Perhaps emotions resonate to the song itself (good ol&#039; harmony, rhythm, melody, lyrics even) and not only the clarity or &quot;goodness&quot; of the sound that carries it. That would explain why our measurements of emotion are so varied.

And no format is perfect, even live. Unless you like destructive interference. And Jimi Hendrix&#039;s guitar is kinda fuzzy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Dri is nice.</p>
<p>The Devil is evil.  As an expert, I find things that can be described as &#8220;sucking&#8221; or &#8220;good&#8221; are usually not facts. Also, I find that &#8220;difference&#8221; is not bad unless I am being a bigot.</p>
<p>Finally, much music has been created, recorded, encoded, and distributed digitally and what was left of the music moved my emotions quite vigorously.  Perhaps emotions resonate to the song itself (good ol&#8217; harmony, rhythm, melody, lyrics even) and not only the clarity or &#8220;goodness&#8221; of the sound that carries it. That would explain why our measurements of emotion are so varied.</p>
<p>And no format is perfect, even live. Unless you like destructive interference. And Jimi Hendrix&#8217;s guitar is kinda fuzzy.</p>
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