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	<title>Comments on: Logic Pro 8: New UI, MainStage, Soundtrack Pro, and No Dongle, $499</title>
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		<title>By: cyberpatrolunit</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/09/12/logic-pro-8-new-ui-mainstage-soundtrack-pro-and-no-dongle-499/#comment-277832</link>
		<dc:creator>cyberpatrolunit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was an uphill battle, but my Logic Studio 8 Academic is in the mail!  Originally Apple was going to send me the new version, allowing me to keep my original 7.2 purchase - however they called me back and I ended up having to ship it back.

Anyway, end of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was an uphill battle, but my Logic Studio 8 Academic is in the mail!  Originally Apple was going to send me the new version, allowing me to keep my original 7.2 purchase - however they called me back and I ended up having to ship it back.</p>
<p>Anyway, end of story.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished paying off my logic 7.2, It was $1200. Now I have to pay $200 to get the upgrade. WTF!!!!! What justification do I have to spend another $200 on a program that is less then half what I payed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished paying off my logic 7.2, It was $1200. Now I have to pay $200 to get the upgrade. WTF!!!!! What justification do I have to spend another $200 on a program that is less then half what I payed?</p>
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		<title>By: Apple Logic Pro 8 and Logic Studio are here at aoortic! dot com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apple Logic Pro 8 and Logic Studio are here at aoortic! dot com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Original post at Music Thing Sergio writes to point out that Apple have quietly introduced Logic Studio - a very appealing bundle including Logic Pro 8 (which has had a major redesign and no longer requires a dongle), Main Stage - which is a new app designed for playing live - an instrument and effects rack, and a vast Studio Sound Library. It&#8217;s $499. Considering you can pay £699 ($1400) for Logic 7 in Britain, that&#8217;s a bargain. I&#8217;m in NYC in October, and suddenly a new Mac and this looks very appealing. First responses from: GearSlutz: &#8220;Is this what we&#8217;ve been waiting for for five years? Not sure, but you can&#8217;t say it hasn&#8217;t been Apple-fied&#8221;&#8220;Analog Industries: &#8220;My initial impressions are extremely favorable&#8221;Create Digital Music:&#8220;The holy grail of music software right now: make it easier for people to actually play with computers.EM411:&#8220;Insanity. .. is anyone NOT going to buy logic at that price? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Original post at Music Thing Sergio writes to point out that Apple have quietly introduced Logic Studio - a very appealing bundle including Logic Pro 8 (which has had a major redesign and no longer requires a dongle), Main Stage - which is a new app designed for playing live - an instrument and effects rack, and a vast Studio Sound Library. It&#8217;s $499. Considering you can pay £699 ($1400) for Logic 7 in Britain, that&#8217;s a bargain. I&#8217;m in NYC in October, and suddenly a new Mac and this looks very appealing. First responses from: GearSlutz: &#8220;Is this what we&#8217;ve been waiting for for five years? Not sure, but you can&#8217;t say it hasn&#8217;t been Apple-fied&#8221;&#8220;Analog Industries: &#8220;My initial impressions are extremely favorable&#8221;Create Digital Music:&#8220;The holy grail of music software right now: make it easier for people to actually play with computers.EM411:&#8220;Insanity. .. is anyone NOT going to buy logic at that price? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William,

I think your RSS reader was not updating. The story was corrected within a couple of hours. There was never conflicting information in the same post.

Also, I qualified the original concern about the Environment by saying I was unable to get solid information. It was buried in technical specs. 

In fact, the huge advantage of the Web is that we're able to get more detailed information that isn't included in press releases. What you'll see in print is often a couple of sentences basically lifted from the press release. Logic won't show up for a couple of months (at least for some publications), and there won't be any information about the inclusion of the Environment either way. That's not a criticism of print; I write for print, as well, and love both reading and writing for print publications -- I have a magazine with me at lunch, not a computer. They're different mediums, with different strengths and weaknesses.

The potential omission of the Environment was something I and others reacted to immediately. What you saw was that reaction -- and the revelation that it is still in Logic -- essentially in real time.

The one thing we can't overcome, unfortunately, is RSS spewing out information after we've corrected it. But that's why I published a separate post with the correction *in addition to* the correction in this item.

I of course try to get things right as often as possible, and I'm the first to admit this was a mistake. But I do take as much time as I can. And of course I appreciate people calling me out when I've got something wrong -- it's part of the whole reason I do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William,</p>
<p>I think your RSS reader was not updating. The story was corrected within a couple of hours. There was never conflicting information in the same post.</p>
<p>Also, I qualified the original concern about the Environment by saying I was unable to get solid information. It was buried in technical specs. </p>
<p>In fact, the huge advantage of the Web is that we&#8217;re able to get more detailed information that isn&#8217;t included in press releases. What you&#8217;ll see in print is often a couple of sentences basically lifted from the press release. Logic won&#8217;t show up for a couple of months (at least for some publications), and there won&#8217;t be any information about the inclusion of the Environment either way. That&#8217;s not a criticism of print; I write for print, as well, and love both reading and writing for print publications &#8212; I have a magazine with me at lunch, not a computer. They&#8217;re different mediums, with different strengths and weaknesses.</p>
<p>The potential omission of the Environment was something I and others reacted to immediately. What you saw was that reaction &#8212; and the revelation that it is still in Logic &#8212; essentially in real time.</p>
<p>The one thing we can&#8217;t overcome, unfortunately, is RSS spewing out information after we&#8217;ve corrected it. But that&#8217;s why I published a separate post with the correction *in addition to* the correction in this item.</p>
<p>I of course try to get things right as often as possible, and I&#8217;m the first to admit this was a mistake. But I do take as much time as I can. And of course I appreciate people calling me out when I&#8217;ve got something wrong &#8212; it&#8217;s part of the whole reason I do this.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/09/12/logic-pro-8-new-ui-mainstage-soundtrack-pro-and-no-dongle-499/#comment-265477</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it bothers me that the post contains these two pieces of information in the same posting:


&lt;strong&gt;"The bad news (for Logic 7 ninjas): the Environment is a casualty."&lt;/strong&gt;

and then the following

&lt;strong&gt;"The Environment Lives! And to its naysayers, I’ll just have to call up Steve Horelick, get together with Logic 8, and put together a whole bunch of new tutorials demonstrating how cool this is."&lt;/strong&gt;

I am so sick of the blog mentality to just post anything that comes your way without really taking the time to make sure that the information that you are releasing as news to the public is correct. 

This mentality is actually reinforced by choosing to post the correction &lt;strong&gt; "Logic’s Environment Lives in Logic 8!"&lt;/strong&gt; as a new post without actually changing the original mistake. 

We're overfed. Tacky!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it bothers me that the post contains these two pieces of information in the same posting:</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;The bad news (for Logic 7 ninjas): the Environment is a casualty.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>and then the following</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;The Environment Lives! And to its naysayers, I’ll just have to call up Steve Horelick, get together with Logic 8, and put together a whole bunch of new tutorials demonstrating how cool this is.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>I am so sick of the blog mentality to just post anything that comes your way without really taking the time to make sure that the information that you are releasing as news to the public is correct. </p>
<p>This mentality is actually reinforced by choosing to post the correction <strong> &#8220;Logic’s Environment Lives in Logic 8!&#8221;</strong> as a new post without actually changing the original mistake. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re overfed. Tacky!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Treder</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/09/12/logic-pro-8-new-ui-mainstage-soundtrack-pro-and-no-dongle-499/#comment-265254</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Treder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's time for many of Logic's older plug-ins (and some of the new one, too) to give more visual feedback in real time about what they're doing. The Channel EQ really set the standard when it hit, and made the other plugs look pretty long in the tooth.

NI instruments (Guitar Rig, Reaktor, etc.) are very good about this sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s time for many of Logic&#8217;s older plug-ins (and some of the new one, too) to give more visual feedback in real time about what they&#8217;re doing. The Channel EQ really set the standard when it hit, and made the other plugs look pretty long in the tooth.</p>
<p>NI instruments (Guitar Rig, Reaktor, etc.) are very good about this sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: cyberpatrolunit</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/09/12/logic-pro-8-new-ui-mainstage-soundtrack-pro-and-no-dongle-499/#comment-265151</link>
		<dc:creator>cyberpatrolunit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talked to someone at apple today; they told me that ANYONE who made a Logic Purchase on Aug 1st or after is going to get the free upgrade. WooHoo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talked to someone at apple today; they told me that ANYONE who made a Logic Purchase on Aug 1st or after is going to get the free upgrade. WooHoo!</p>
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		<title>By: Joaquins Musikblog</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/09/12/logic-pro-8-new-ui-mainstage-soundtrack-pro-and-no-dongle-499/#comment-264018</link>
		<dc:creator>Joaquins Musikblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Logic Studio mit Logic Pro 8 von Apple...&lt;/strong&gt;

Lange gab es ja schon Gerücht zu Pro Logic 8, aber nun ist es da und es wird wohl für einigen Wirbel sorgen.

Die Musikproduktionssuite Logic Studio mit dem neuem Logic Pro 8 hat sich dem allgemeinem Applesoftwarelook angepasst und kommt in einer E...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Logic Studio mit Logic Pro 8 von Apple&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Lange gab es ja schon Gerücht zu Pro Logic 8, aber nun ist es da und es wird wohl für einigen Wirbel sorgen.</p>
<p>Die Musikproduktionssuite Logic Studio mit dem neuem Logic Pro 8 hat sich dem allgemeinem Applesoftwarelook angepasst und kommt in einer E&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi guys. my 2 cents: don't forget, sometimes a complete overhaul requires a new framework in place. the software will then seem not too exciting in its first (.0) version. in this case, we get a refreshed UI, which is a big step and that's where i guess the programmers' time has gone. 

check this out from the &lt;a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20020810174231/http://www.emagic.de/english/support/download/lainfo5e.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;history&lt;/a&gt; of logic:
5.0: automation
5.01: es2, evoc20, dot;
5.1: logic control, multiple undo/redo, new evp88 models
5.2: evd6, multiple output instruments, monitoring w/ plugins 
5.5: osx support.
all filed under logic5.

so i wouldnt jump to conclusions before .1 is out.. 
another (though fairly tragic) example is windows vista.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi guys. my 2 cents: don&#8217;t forget, sometimes a complete overhaul requires a new framework in place. the software will then seem not too exciting in its first (.0) version. in this case, we get a refreshed UI, which is a big step and that&#8217;s where i guess the programmers&#8217; time has gone. </p>
<p>check this out from the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20020810174231/http://www.emagic.de/english/support/download/lainfo5e.html" rel="nofollow">history</a> of logic:<br />
5.0: automation<br />
5.01: es2, evoc20, dot;<br />
5.1: logic control, multiple undo/redo, new evp88 models<br />
5.2: evd6, multiple output instruments, monitoring w/ plugins<br />
5.5: osx support.<br />
all filed under logic5.</p>
<p>so i wouldnt jump to conclusions before .1 is out..<br />
another (though fairly tragic) example is windows vista.</p>
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		<title>By: Motion</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/09/12/logic-pro-8-new-ui-mainstage-soundtrack-pro-and-no-dongle-499/#comment-263809</link>
		<dc:creator>Motion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peter...thanks for the kind words....I did not know that about Creator.

I never could quite figure out where those dialog boxes came from or what I was doing at the time...there was never ever any obvious moves I could recall, they never ever caused a crash or anything untoward...they would just appear and go away harmlessly...in all the years probably I experienced this only 6 or so  times..It may well have been a bit of fun and perhaps a nod to Douglas Adams.

I wish Apple would release it again..if I recall, part of the Emagic deal was that Apple have ownership of the source code. 

A real gem and brilliant sequencer especially once you started using the ABCD grids...almost 3 dimensional in the way you could structure stuff.

Oh well...the great grandson has been delivered so to speak, I think they have done a great bit of gardening with LS8, from everything I have found out about it so far...looks crisp, juicy and sweet....just like an apple should be.

Here's hoping it's no crab in the performance arena.;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter&#8230;thanks for the kind words&#8230;.I did not know that about Creator.</p>
<p>I never could quite figure out where those dialog boxes came from or what I was doing at the time&#8230;there was never ever any obvious moves I could recall, they never ever caused a crash or anything untoward&#8230;they would just appear and go away harmlessly&#8230;in all the years probably I experienced this only 6 or so  times..It may well have been a bit of fun and perhaps a nod to Douglas Adams.</p>
<p>I wish Apple would release it again..if I recall, part of the Emagic deal was that Apple have ownership of the source code. </p>
<p>A real gem and brilliant sequencer especially once you started using the ABCD grids&#8230;almost 3 dimensional in the way you could structure stuff.</p>
<p>Oh well&#8230;the great grandson has been delivered so to speak, I think they have done a great bit of gardening with LS8, from everything I have found out about it so far&#8230;looks crisp, juicy and sweet&#8230;.just like an apple should be.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping it&#8217;s no crab in the performance arena.;)</p>
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