Peter, come on man :) Nick Didkovsky has a java based program that is awesome great for instrument building with Java, check it out.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:VLnM0ewU8IwJ:www.didkovsky.com/JavaMusicSystems/Java1.pdf+nick+didkovsky+java&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=safari
http://www.algomusic.com/

Would be nice for you to post an article about it. It’s been posted in a few magazines, etc for over a year now.

Logic’s Environment has some bugs and limitations (unless they’ve been fixed in version 8?) particularly in more elaborate patches, so I’ve been tempted for years to move to *THE* MIDI processing program. I’m getting sick of waiting to see whether Apple’s secret plans include developing that part of Logic.

Funnily enough, I agree with your first impressions of how to play the guitar. As a leftie who plays a bit of guitar I reckon one’s dominant hand *should* do the fretting. So, yeah, I play guitar right-handed. So, apparently, does fellow leftie Steve Morse, the guitar genius who disqualified himself from winning the Guitar Player magazine “player of the year” award by winning it 5 years in a row and replaced Ritchie Blackmore in Deep Purple. And Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits.

And no, PLEASE don’t mention that bottom to top thing! =:-O

Cheers, Some

I’m sorry that the R2L thing seems so wrong to you. I don’t expect it to ever change. All I can say is that, in my experience, after you’ve been at it for a while, it’s rare to have it be a problem. I honestly can’t remember the last time an R2L problem tripped me up. Changing it to L2R would not so much alienate the existing Max user base, as much as it would break existing patches.

When I was first learning guitar, I thought that the fretting hand should have been my right one (I’m right handed). Way too many years later, fretting with my left hand seems the only way to do it. Postscript has a coordinate system that seemed really alien to me at first, but I got over it.

(I suppose that I shouldn’t mention that in the case of an R2L “tie” during patch evaluation, it then proceeds from bottom to top) :-)

@ PetitZozo
The basic premise of this release was to construct a modern foundation upon which to build. To quote Devo – “Duty Now for the Future.”

You can argue that some of this stuff is late in coming (e.g. multiple undo), but if you read David Z’s article, you see that much of the cause was the program’s deep roots, and the need to support the moving targets of major OS revisions & processor changes. These were eating much of the development time. It’s hard to make the environment nicer when all your time is spent on making it run on whatever Apple or Microsoft throw your way.

Also, I would argue that completely cross platform code is the exception in software development, not the rule.

I was thinking about it after I posted that last response: [trigger] is a perfect one object example of how screwed up everything could be if Cycling changed order of operations. [trigger] itself operates right to left. So [trigger b i] first sends out an integer coming through it to one place, *then* a bang to another place.

So… even all our new patches relying on [trigger] for order forcing would break. :(

But thankyou for elaborating on why the issue’s so important. :-)

I know nothing about Max’s internal workings, but as a naive wanna-be user wanting what’s probably impossible, it’d be really nice if this issue could be fixed (according to my way of thinking) without breaking the thousands of patches out there.