Comments on: Interview: Classical Music Goes Digital, DRM-Free with Deutsche Grammophon http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:21:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Deutsche Grammophon demuestra cómo hacer una tienda de música como debe ser - Gizmodo ES - The gadgets weblog http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-631223 Deutsche Grammophon demuestra cómo hacer una tienda de música como debe ser - Gizmodo ES - The gadgets weblog Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:37:12 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-631223 [...] Y atención porque la noticia gorda es que Deutsche Grammophon es propiedad, agarraos, de Universal, la compañía musical y cinematográfica más retrógrada y rancia en todo lo que tenga que ver con la distribución digital. Y chim-pum. [Deutsche Grammophon via Create Digital Music] [...] [...] Y atención porque la noticia gorda es que Deutsche Grammophon es propiedad, agarraos, de Universal, la compañía musical y cinematográfica más retrógrada y rancia en todo lo que tenga que ver con la distribución digital. Y chim-pum. [Deutsche Grammophon via Create Digital Music] [...]

]]> By: netwalker.nl » Classical Music Goes Digital, DRM-Free with Deutsche Grammophon http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-397239 netwalker.nl » Classical Music Goes Digital, DRM-Free with Deutsche Grammophon Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:01:37 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-397239 [...] the interview with Jonathan Gruber (VP New Media, Classics & Jazz, Universal Music Group International) on [...] [...] the interview with Jonathan Gruber (VP New Media, Classics & Jazz, Universal Music Group International) on [...]

]]> By: Interview: Classical Music Goes Digital, DRM-Free with Deutsche …-Download Music http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-371023 Interview: Classical Music Goes Digital, DRM-Free with Deutsche …-Download Music Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:25:38 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-371023 [...] mudge wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptThis week, Deutsche Grammophon, the classical music recording giant that’s owned by Universal Music Group, launched its own online music store. And there are a number of things that make it unique:. The store is truly international: No, … [...] [...] mudge wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptThis week, Deutsche Grammophon, the classical music recording giant that’s owned by Universal Music Group, launched its own online music store. And there are a number of things that make it unique:. The store is truly international: No, … [...]

]]> By: kickplate http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-342519 kickplate Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:37:05 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-342519 this is incredible news! i'm an opera singer and often, while i'm on the road and away from a decent classical cd store, i'll be asked to look at a piece of music, and will need to see or hear it right away to decide whether or not to take the prospective gig. itunes had a few things, but i always felt so fucked about purchasing classical music (especially vocal music) without the histories, essays, and translations included in the liner notes. the .pdf booklet is something the other digital services stupidly overlooked. of course it would be nice to have uncompressed formats available, even if at a premium, like beatport or stompy, but hopefully dg's business will grow to include it. for the time being, this is much better than the vacuum we've been experiencing since the classical cd retail business started to collapse. this is incredible news! i’m an opera singer and often, while i’m on the road and away from a decent classical cd store, i’ll be asked to look at a piece of music, and will need to see or hear it right away to decide whether or not to take the prospective gig. itunes had a few things, but i always felt so fucked about purchasing classical music (especially vocal music) without the histories, essays, and translations included in the liner notes. the .pdf booklet is something the other digital services stupidly overlooked. of course it would be nice to have uncompressed formats available, even if at a premium, like beatport or stompy, but hopefully dg’s business will grow to include it. for the time being, this is much better than the vacuum we’ve been experiencing since the classical cd retail business started to collapse.

]]> By: tim http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-338734 tim Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:08:26 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-338734 For fun and enlightenment I encoded 'Le Sacre du Printemps' (DG 415 979-2). For me the difference is big, even with my held-together-with-ducttape 4 Euro earphones. It is as if the orchestra were playing behind a wet curtain. In the more 'busy' parts the logic of the work is hard to follow (for example from 2min35sec to 2min50sec in 'Introduction'). Note: Given that this was my first time encoding to mp3 (even had to install the program for it) I may have made some mistake, so here is the command I used: lame -q 0 -b 320 --cbr test.wav test.mp3 For fun and enlightenment I encoded ‘Le Sacre du Printemps’ (DG 415 979-2).
For me the difference is big, even with my held-together-with-ducttape 4 Euro earphones. It is as if the orchestra were playing behind a wet curtain. In the more ‘busy’ parts the logic of the work is hard to follow (for example from 2min35sec to 2min50sec in ‘Introduction’).

Note: Given that this was my first time encoding to mp3 (even had to install the program for it) I may have made some mistake, so here is the command I used:
lame -q 0 -b 320 –cbr test.wav test.mp3

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-338473 Peter Kirn Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:56:16 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-338473 Wait a minute, Paul ... I agree OGG/Vorbis faces some serious challenges, and this is hardly a win when everyone goes to MP3 as the lowest common denominator. But I would say these indie stores are a big step forward, not backward. The alternative is a bunch of proprietary, DRM-laden formats. If everyone is buying MP3s, it's not such a leap to buy OGG. It's a much bigger leap to go from buying from iTunes or one of the WMA purchase stores. Wait a minute, Paul … I agree OGG/Vorbis faces some serious challenges, and this is hardly a win when everyone goes to MP3 as the lowest common denominator. But I would say these indie stores are a big step forward, not backward. The alternative is a bunch of proprietary, DRM-laden formats. If everyone is buying MP3s, it’s not such a leap to buy OGG. It’s a much bigger leap to go from buying from iTunes or one of the WMA purchase stores.

]]> By: voxish http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-338118 voxish Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:07:12 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-338118 Paul - okay, I'll retract from my position that MP3 should be eradicated from the face of the earth :-) I wasn't really advocating this, but I realize that the tenor of my statements might have suggested it. Your point is well taken that the bandwidth problem has not gone away. I was thinking the much same thing after my last post. MP3 certainly continues to be viable, but I think we're at the point where we can think about a new standard, and I'd like to see consumers push for what we'd like to see, rather than have it dictated to us by the industry. >almost certainly false hmmmm.... I'm gonna let that slide ;-) Paul - okay, I’ll retract from my position that MP3 should be eradicated from the face of the earth :-)
I wasn’t really advocating this, but I realize that the tenor of my statements might have suggested it. Your point is well taken that the bandwidth problem has not gone away. I was thinking the much same thing after my last post. MP3 certainly continues to be viable, but I think we’re at the point where we can think about a new standard, and I’d like to see consumers push for what we’d like to see, rather than have it dictated to us by the industry.

>almost certainly false
hmmmm…. I’m gonna let that slide ;-)

]]> By: Paul Davis http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-338071 Paul Davis Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:58:05 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-338071 voxish - i totally agree with you about the long term destiny of MP3, but i prefer not to muddy the waters with unverifiable (and almost certainly false) claims about audible differences. the problem is that (a) its *not* true that the bandwidth problem has gone away and (b) there are now 100's of millions of portable music devices out there that will never be firmware upgraded to play anything else (even just plain WAV is too much for many of them). It will be at least 5 years before this situation changes. It saddens me very much that Ogg/Vorbis didn't win the "war" of compressed formats, but its clear with these new "DRM-free" sites now coming online that the battle is over (and lost). voxish - i totally agree with you about the long term destiny of MP3, but i prefer not to muddy the waters with unverifiable (and almost certainly false) claims about audible differences. the problem is that (a) its *not* true that the bandwidth problem has gone away and (b) there are now 100’s of millions of portable music devices out there that will never be firmware upgraded to play anything else (even just plain WAV is too much for many of them). It will be at least 5 years before this situation changes.

It saddens me very much that Ogg/Vorbis didn’t win the “war” of compressed formats, but its clear with these new “DRM-free” sites now coming online that the battle is over (and lost).

]]> By: voxish http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-338041 voxish Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:18:46 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-338041 I recently had a listening session at Fidelio Audio in Montreal where we compared different formats, and no, it wasn't double blind, and it was on a system that I would never be able to afford anyway. I'll freely concede that my tests haven't been rigourous, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I just don't see the point of hanging on to MP3, it served a purpose when we were using dial-up modem connections and had limited drive space, but I think we've come to a point where more choices should be available. I'd like to see a high definition multi-channel download format and I'd prefer not to let an algorithm decide what I can and cannot here. I don't mean to piss people off about this, I respect whatever choices you make, I just think there should be more. I recently had a listening session at Fidelio Audio in Montreal where we compared different formats, and no, it wasn’t double blind, and it was on a system that I would never be able to afford anyway. I’ll freely concede that my tests haven’t been rigourous, but that wasn’t the point I was trying to make. I just don’t see the point of hanging on to MP3, it served a purpose when we were using dial-up modem connections and had limited drive space, but I think we’ve come to a point where more choices should be available. I’d like to see a high definition multi-channel download format and I’d prefer not to let an algorithm decide what I can and cannot here. I don’t mean to piss people off about this, I respect whatever choices you make, I just think there should be more.

]]> By: Paul Davis http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-337950 Paul Davis Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:15:50 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/29/interview-classical-music-goes-digital-drm-free-with-deutsche-grammophon/#comment-337950 voxish - would you care to describe the double blind test setup that you used to establish that you could hear the difference between high-bitrate MP3 and CD? ditto for the CD/SACD comparison. every published double blind study that i've seen so far indicates clearly that given a reasonably high bit rate (not even 320Kbps), there are very, very few individuals who can hear the difference. voxish - would you care to describe the double blind test setup that you used to establish that you could hear the difference between high-bitrate MP3 and CD? ditto for the CD/SACD comparison.

every published double blind study that i’ve seen so far indicates clearly that given a reasonably high bit rate (not even 320Kbps), there are very, very few individuals who can hear the difference.

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