Comments on: Ableton Live 7 Arrives; What It Means in Just a Few Words

By: PLP

PLP — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:03:52 +0000

bantri: I agree that curves would be nice, but really just enter the data with a rotory controller and not the pencil tool and you should be able to nicely estimate whatever kind of curve you want. You can even delete it and re-do it until it sounds just right.

By: bantri

bantri — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:16:36 +0000

Tsk, tsk tsk… ThereÂ´s more… IÂ´m very sad to notice that stupidity has not only affected ableton programmers but people that advertises it too…

PROOF: On their own page they mention the term “automation CURVES” presenting an image of several straight segments (i wonder if they think iÂ´ve got a problem with my vision):

http://www.ableton.com/r1/pages/live_7/tour/for_sound_designers/draw_inspiration.png

go there and check it… hereÂ´s the link:
http://www.ableton.com/live-for-sound-designers
This IS the proof that they canÂ´t tell the difference between a CURVE and a LINE.

Look for the topic “draw inspiration”, but iÂ´m not sure if itÂ´s inspiration youÂ´ll get when trying to draw a real CURVE in automation.

If you use the drawing tool (pencil) what youÂ´ll really get will be a horrible and fully 90 degree jagged line that creates zipper sounding effect, so youÂ´ll have to erase it and “get inspired” editing a multisegmented line manually to make it a curve, and the line editing process is horrible, amongst other things is that if you select a group of dots and move them up or down, if they pass the upper and lower limits they flatten out destroying the curved characteristic.

and now… with the multiple automation track views youÂ´ll see LOTS of multi-segmented automation LINES.

The reason that iÂ´m being public for this is that it, is a good product, but this is a severe flaw, so i hope that by exposing that flaw is the best way to give a butt kick on their programmers and make it and acceptable sequencer, other sequencers have lots of automation curve types (steps, multiline segments, log curves, S curves, sine and cosine curves, integrating and diferentiating curves, assimptotic and beziers) because there are hunderds of knobs to be controled in every VSTI and having a perfect collection of curves on the sequencer for smoothly controling these knobs IS very important. Having just step and multisegment lines in a sequencer is, to me, enough criteria to condemn it. (too much work/time dedicated for drawing, instead of making music)

By: bantri

bantri — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:07:10 +0000

DAM IT!!!!!! Not again!!!!!!
7 version attempts for this BS and STILL no bezier curves????????
HELLOOOOOOOO MORONS….. Where are the bezier curves???? (They were invented in 1970 and you still donÂ´t know them?)
How many versions will be necessary for you to implement this, i dont want to spend hours drawing lines, this is a program for music, not drawing.
Is this software made by real musicians?
Have you tried to edit automation parameters only using straight lines?
Do you know how hard and boring is to reproduce real, nice curves using straight lines?
Do you know how hard is draw a curve using hundreds of tiny straight segments?
Do you know how hard is to later adjust a curve if it was made with segments instead of 4 control points?
ItÂ´s a REAL HELL to edit automation curves just using lines, the main objective is to HEAR the sound, and NOT to improve your mouse drawing skills….
Music without automation CURVES (I SAID CURVES YOU IDIOTS!!!!!!, NOT STRAIGHT LINES!!!!!) sounds mechanical and robotic…
For people tired waiting 7 version attempts for bezier curves, my advice: use 90$ podium sequencer from Zinewave, it DOES the job….

By: Sami

Sami — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:35:15 +0000

http://torrents.suprnova.org/1345803/Ableton.Live.v7.0.1-AiR.rar.1345803.SN.torrent

By: amoeba

amoeba — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:32:32 +0000

@ poorsod
where are the DR presets? i didn’t find any…
man, i really dig the drumracks stuff. that, and the new compressor alone made the update worth it to me.
haven’t had the band together yet to test midi timing improvements, but i hope those are noticeable as well.
multiple automation views are great too.
my wish – allow for track groupings the same way DR handles it!

By: poorsod

poorsod — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:28:58 +0000

Well, I got Ableton 7 the day before yesterday (so I’m not in that deep yet) but so far I am mega-pleased. I’ve been experimenting with some of the bundled Drum Rack presets and they work like a charm. Also the new compressor is actually easy to use (something Compressors I and II weren’t), the sidechaining is fantastic and the revised EQ 8 is a lot simpler too.

By: m00nchild

m00nchild — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:08:07 +0000

Where are the bezier curves for automation? I’ve been waiting and waiting for this. I spend so much time applying break point after break point so that I can simulate natural curves. This feature has been reusted ad nauseum by many people in the Ableton forums. I just don’t understand why it hasn’t been implemented.

By: john farbringer

john farbringer — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:02:36 +0000

Angstrom: yes you’re quite right about the groove, thanks for the info! I still think the slicing procedure is over-fiddly though.

By: Furlano

Furlano — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:09:22 +0000

What I would really like is a tool that allows multiple takes of a part. (a la cubase’s “takes” tool). This could either be applied on the sequencer screen, or the arranger (record from one clip to the next without pause, and looping the rest of the track)

By: Angstrom

Angstrom — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:26:22 +0000

@john farbringer

Angstrom:
first, what if you want to use a breakbeat that is played by a human, and want to retain that feel? If you set the warp markers to each transient, you get the beat played back robot style. I love ultra-quantised music, however itâ€™s not always what is needed.

well this is where you are wrong, because it does keep the groove. The output midi part is ’swung’ or ‘grooved’ in the same way that the original was. The beats are not on beat or robotic. I think you ought to try it out before commenting as pretty much all of your observations are not correct.