Comments on: Developer to Users: Boycott iLok and PACE http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:41:57 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: olivier http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/comment-page-3/#comment-970807 olivier Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:03:58 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/#comment-970807 Today , i must reinstall windows XP on my computer, i try to enter the challenge and the response manually, but it'not possible , it's very complicated i think. Must Cycling send me an other challenge? it s very complicated because come times you have lot of problems on your pc or on mac viruses troyens....My first licence is not accepted now ? How must i do but i paid more of 500 euros for software, But if cycling do not accord me a challenge i must take an ilok resseter, it's very absurd, and i m very angry after cycling,i dislike a pirate i buy all my software but i think it's very big bullshit marketing; i prefer licence syteme like adobe with serial code it's more efficiency to authorise software. if any people know i lok resetter for mac and pc, i'm very happy to see them because Today i m very frustrated if i Never use a soft MawMsp witch i paid. olivier Today , i must reinstall windows XP on my computer, i try to enter the challenge and the response manually, but it’not possible , it’s very complicated i think. Must Cycling send me an other challenge? it s very complicated because come times you have lot of problems on your pc or on mac viruses troyens….My first licence is not accepted now ? How must i do but i paid more of 500 euros for software, But if cycling do not accord me a challenge i must take an ilok resseter, it’s very absurd, and i m very angry after cycling,i dislike a pirate i buy all my software but i think it’s very big bullshit marketing; i prefer licence syteme like adobe with serial code it’s more efficiency to authorise software. if any people know i lok resetter for mac and pc, i’m very happy to see them because Today i m very frustrated if i Never use a soft MawMsp witch i paid.

olivier

]]> By: Jim Franputin http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/comment-page-3/#comment-954528 Jim Franputin Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:40:29 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/#comment-954528 I love PACE Ilok. I produce and record on a mobile set up (laptop). I love having my slots used up by dongles. I have bought a USB hub to drag around with me so I can plug more dongles into more slots. I love having these USB dongles sticking out of my slots. I love the feeling of having a tactile connection to my software. In and out. In and out. Thank you PACE. I love PACE Ilok. I produce and record on a mobile set up (laptop). I love having my slots used up by dongles. I have bought a USB hub to drag around with me so I can plug more dongles into more slots.

I love having these USB dongles sticking out of my slots. I love the feeling of having a tactile connection to my software. In and out. In and out.

Thank you PACE.

]]> By: Red http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/comment-page-3/#comment-905278 Red Wed, 27 May 2009 09:08:10 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/#comment-905278 I use FL studio because it doesn't use a dongle or any nefarious system. I can take it on the train and make music while blasting through rural Australia. I can no longer do this any other application that uses iLok or PACE. NI (I have over $2000 of older applications) lost me to using cracks with their convoluted rubbish. Cracks are risky, but I am looking for another way that can let me use my audio gear away from telephone lines. BTW I recorded several hundred sound files of native wildlife in full surround using FL studio and a laptop. It was nice camping but I can't use iLok there. Idiots. I use FL studio because it doesn’t use a dongle or any nefarious system. I can take it on the train and make music while blasting through rural Australia. I can no longer do this any other application that uses iLok or PACE. NI (I have over $2000 of older applications) lost me to using cracks with their convoluted rubbish. Cracks are risky, but I am looking for another way that can let me use my audio gear away from telephone lines. BTW I recorded several hundred sound files of native wildlife in full surround using FL studio and a laptop. It was nice camping but I can’t use iLok there.

Idiots.

]]> By: JB http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/comment-page-3/#comment-902728 JB Sun, 24 May 2009 14:44:13 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/#comment-902728 WE THE PUNTERS MEAN NOTHING TO PACE AND THE OTHER GUYS AS LONG AS THEY FINE A WAY TO GET YOUR $$$ THEY WILL NEVER CHANGE I SPENT £1000S ON PRO TOOLS MY PACE ILOK STOP WORKING I WAS LEFT ON MY OWN SORT IT OUT WITH PACE I WILL ?NOT- BE BUYING ANYTHING FROM ANYONE THAT USE PACE ILOK UNTIL THEY START TO GIVE US A BETTER SERVICE. I'M TOO BIG TO FAIL!!! WE THE PUNTERS MEAN NOTHING TO PACE AND THE OTHER GUYS AS LONG AS THEY FINE A WAY TO GET YOUR $$$ THEY WILL NEVER CHANGE
I SPENT £1000S ON PRO TOOLS MY PACE ILOK STOP WORKING I WAS LEFT ON MY OWN SORT IT OUT WITH PACE I WILL ?NOT- BE BUYING
ANYTHING FROM ANYONE THAT USE PACE ILOK UNTIL THEY START TO GIVE US A BETTER SERVICE. I’M TOO BIG TO FAIL!!!

]]> By: Jefro http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/comment-page-3/#comment-897089 Jefro Mon, 18 May 2009 16:52:01 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/#comment-897089 And what is it that's different on a dongle from a regular USB flash drive? Is it hardware or software? Has anyone ever gotten a regular USB drive to ape a dongle? And what is it that’s different on a dongle from a regular USB flash drive? Is it hardware or software? Has anyone ever gotten a regular USB drive to ape a dongle?

]]> By: Jefro http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/comment-page-3/#comment-897087 Jefro Mon, 18 May 2009 16:49:26 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/#comment-897087 Check this out: I'm a beta tester for Pro-Tools and in order to beta test the software, I have to go out and purchase a dongle. The cheapest I've found is $40. Do people ever sell them used? Ebay has some but they're all new from dealers. I haven't used a program requiring a dongle since back in 2001 or so when Maya and most highend CGI software required them. Fortunately, those companies saw the light. I wonder why Digidesign doesn't get the picture. At least make it so your beta testers can test your product without dropping 40 bones for something they'll barely use. Death to the dongle! Check this out: I’m a beta tester for Pro-Tools and in order to beta test the software, I have to go out and purchase a dongle. The cheapest I’ve found is $40. Do people ever sell them used? Ebay has some but they’re all new from dealers.

I haven’t used a program requiring a dongle since back in 2001 or so when Maya and most highend CGI software required them. Fortunately, those companies saw the light. I wonder why Digidesign doesn’t get the picture. At least make it so your beta testers can test your product without dropping 40 bones for something they’ll barely use.

Death to the dongle!

]]> By: George http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/comment-page-3/#comment-786667 George Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:34:19 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/#comment-786667 Ken, In terms of affording dongled programs, for what my Synclavier alone cost me so far I could probably build a new studio room with them. You are right in your remark, however, that I do not need those. It's correct because (as I learned from buying quite a few pricey ones before) no dongled software masterpiece is irreplaceably unique. Good luck with your endeavours at the college studio. Ken,
In terms of affording dongled programs, for what my Synclavier alone cost me so far I could probably build a new studio room with them. You are right in your remark, however, that I do not need those. It’s correct because (as I learned from buying quite a few pricey ones before) no dongled software masterpiece is irreplaceably unique. Good luck with your endeavours at the college studio.

]]> By: secars http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/comment-page-3/#comment-750930 secars Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:15:10 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/#comment-750930 I work in the industry and downloaded pirated software in the old days. I support company's (like mine) need to get paid in almost every way. Where Pace/iLok is truely offensive though is how cheaply they made the iLok. Its like they want it to break by putting it on a cheap, fragile design. I've used many dongles for many years and have never been burned, but I've seen many break over time. Other companies make their dongle with a form factors designed to minimize breakage. iLoks seem to be designed to break frequently and that ultimately is a crime, literally. I work in the industry and downloaded pirated software in the old days. I support company’s (like mine) need to get paid in almost every way. Where Pace/iLok is truely offensive though is how cheaply they made the iLok. Its like they want it to break by putting it on a cheap, fragile design. I’ve used many dongles for many years and have never been burned, but I’ve seen many break over time. Other companies make their dongle with a form factors designed to minimize breakage. iLoks seem to be designed to break frequently and that ultimately is a crime, literally.

]]> By: decapitor http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/comment-page-3/#comment-750311 decapitor Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:07:05 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/#comment-750311 Just wanted to add my name to the list of people who will never buy something with so much DRM in general and especially from a dongle. I just can't stand the idea that when ilok goes out of business I will no longer have access to my property. Just wanted to add my name to the list of people who will never buy something with so much DRM in general and especially from a dongle. I just can’t stand the idea that when ilok goes out of business I will no longer have access to my property.

]]> By: Ken http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/comment-page-3/#comment-715476 Ken Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:56:54 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/03/developer-to-users-boycott-ilok-and-pace-2/#comment-715476 Our college studio runs MAC OSX Tiger and Leopard on over 50 workstations. All plugins are ilok protected with access to Waves, McDSP, Digidesign, AiR, Sonnox, etc. We have NEVER had a problem with this scheme. We update the ilok drivers when necessary to support operating system version changes, and sometimes we have to reinstall the ilok drivers when a plugin vendor's installer insists on installing an outdated ilok driver (Not Pace's fault). Our iloks are tethered to each workstation and each have over 80 plugin licenses in them. The biggest problem we deal with is occasional theft, just like the plugin developers. When penniless musicians try to rip of struggling software developers, it is a sad thing. Consider that plugins are replacing $$$pricey hardware units for a fraction of the hardware price. Just because the hardware was expensive, did you try to justify stealing it? Who will develop the next plugin or plugin update if they can't make a living at it. Do you personally enjoy having YOUR music ripped off, or do you believe you can produce music for free and a good fairy will take care of you, your family and your retirement? I you, like George above, are avoiding ilok dongle based products just because of the dongle, then you really didn't need those products in the first place. Stop whining and get better day job so you can afford the tools you need. I think I can speak for thousands of professionals willing to pay for the tools they use. Stop trying to hide piracy behind a smoke-screen of indignation and self-righteous chest beating about "the customer". Pirates are not customers. Customers are the ones who register their products, read the manual, update when necessary, and don't mind spending an extra $40 for a spare ilok or $80 for the privilege of having readily downloadable backup licenses available 24/7 so they don't lose productivity in the studio or on the road (it's called insurance and every business has it). Customers also realize that a sale creates a relationship with the developer. The customer wants value for their dollar, but also realizes that product manufacturers need to turn a profit to pay developers, research new products and generally stay in business. 'nuf said! Our college studio runs MAC OSX Tiger and Leopard on over 50 workstations. All plugins are ilok protected with access to Waves, McDSP, Digidesign, AiR, Sonnox, etc.

We have NEVER had a problem with this scheme. We update the ilok drivers when necessary to support operating system version changes, and sometimes we have to reinstall the ilok drivers when a plugin vendor’s installer insists on installing an outdated ilok driver (Not Pace’s fault). Our iloks are tethered to each workstation and each have over 80 plugin licenses in them.

The biggest problem we deal with is occasional theft, just like the plugin developers. When penniless musicians try to rip of struggling software developers, it is a sad thing. Consider that plugins are replacing $$$pricey hardware units for a fraction of the hardware price. Just because the hardware was expensive, did you try to justify stealing it? Who will develop the next plugin or plugin update if they can’t make a living at it. Do you personally enjoy having YOUR music ripped off, or do you believe you can produce music for free and a good fairy will take care of you, your family and your retirement?

I you, like George above, are avoiding ilok dongle based products just because of the dongle, then you really didn’t need those products in the first place. Stop whining and get better day job so you can afford the tools you need.

I think I can speak for thousands of professionals willing to pay for the tools they use. Stop trying to hide piracy behind a smoke-screen of indignation and self-righteous chest beating about “the customer”. Pirates are not customers. Customers are the ones who register their products, read the manual, update when necessary, and don’t mind spending an extra $40 for a spare ilok or $80 for the privilege of having readily downloadable backup licenses available 24/7 so they don’t lose productivity in the studio or on the road (it’s called insurance and every business has it).

Customers also realize that a sale creates a relationship with the developer. The customer wants value for their dollar, but also realizes that product manufacturers need to turn a profit to pay developers, research new products and generally stay in business. ‘nuf said!

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