Comments on: noatikl: New Generative Music Engine, So You Can Rock Out Like Eno http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:46:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: bunubuldum http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-497327 bunubuldum Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:33:53 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-497327 <strong>noatkl ile jeneratif müzik...</strong> ... noatkl ile jeneratif müzik…

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]]> By: Mat http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-497227 Mat Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:30:10 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-497227 Well, nice. But what is the difference to other algorithmic music creators? So far i see none. And there are a lot of them for free download... Here is the one i like most: MIDImage http://www.genjerdan.com/bfp/lmp/index.html it creates Midifiles from a a Picture. Or another one: AMUGEN (a musical generator) http://www.musoft-builders.com/links/amg.shtml I sometimes use these programms for creating ambient music, but mostly i only take parts out of them. Well, nice. But what is the difference to other algorithmic music creators? So far i see none. And there are a lot of them for free download…
Here is the one i like most:
MIDImage
http://www.genjerdan.com/bfp/lmp/index.html
it creates Midifiles from a a Picture.
Or another one:
AMUGEN (a musical generator)
http://www.musoft-builders.com/links/amg.shtml
I sometimes use these programms for creating ambient music, but mostly i only take parts out of them.

]]> By: Create Digital Music » Generative iPod? Deep Modular, Generative Music System Bound for iPhone, Phones, Windows, Mac http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-496812 Create Digital Music » Generative iPod? Deep Modular, Generative Music System Bound for iPhone, Phones, Windows, Mac Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:32:30 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-496812 [...] noatikl: New Generative Music Engine, So You Can Rock Out Like Eno [...] [...] noatikl: New Generative Music Engine, So You Can Rock Out Like Eno [...]

]]> By: T Scott http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-397251 T Scott Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:15:34 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-397251 Just a little background: I played with Koan for some years back around the late 90's - early 00's. Even the last version (2.7) seemed a bit clunky and "inchoate." noatikl is smaller, cleaner and the Lua scripting capability beckons. I currently have it MIDI Yoked into Reason 4 and it works fine. More on my blog as I get deeper into it. Just a little background: I played with Koan for some years back around the late 90’s - early 00’s. Even the last version (2.7) seemed a bit clunky and “inchoate.” noatikl is smaller, cleaner and the Lua scripting capability beckons. I currently have it MIDI Yoked into Reason 4 and it works fine.
More on my blog as I get deeper into it.

]]> By: Pete http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-358249 Pete Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:58:00 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-358249 Thanks Chris! Pricing is impossible to get "perfect" for all our users. The feedback we've heard is that prospective users of noatikl are really happy to see the "hobbyist" price of 99 dollars. Sure, the suite license (allowing use of all the variants for a given platform, and for commercial use) costs more, but that is seen as a "fair" way to price the product; hobbyists get it as cheap as we can price it, and pro/am users get charged a bit more. This is quite similar to the way that Reaper is sold (different prices for hobbyist and pro/am uesrs), which seems like a great way for smaller companies to try to cater for different user needs. Fingers crossed we've got it right; but I can guarantee that some people still won't be happy. :) Pete Thanks Chris!

Pricing is impossible to get “perfect” for all our users.

The feedback we’ve heard is that prospective users of noatikl are really happy to see the “hobbyist” price of 99 dollars. Sure, the suite license (allowing use of all the variants for a given platform, and for commercial use) costs more, but that is seen as a “fair” way to price the product; hobbyists get it as cheap as we can price it, and pro/am users get charged a bit more.

This is quite similar to the way that Reaper is sold (different prices for hobbyist and pro/am uesrs), which seems like a great way for smaller companies to try to cater for different user needs.

Fingers crossed we’ve got it right; but I can guarantee that some people still won’t be happy. :)

Pete

]]> By: Chris http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-358059 Chris Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:12:05 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-358059 I've been playing with noatikl for a couple of days now, and I have to say that this is what I always hoped Koan would be when it finally arrived on the Mac. I put up with running Koan under Virtual PC for a while, but when the Mac version finally arrived it seemed to be a rather crippled version of the Windows beast, and never seemed to keep up in terms of functionality. But now that I'm using noatikl in conjunction with Logic Express - what a combination! Just the anticipation of all the stuff in Logic that I can control - I'm billing you guys for a new keyboard after all the drool it's had to deal with. And the price drop is just icing on my Christmas cake. I’ve been playing with noatikl for a couple of days now, and I have to say that this is what I always hoped Koan would be when it finally arrived on the Mac. I put up with running Koan under Virtual PC for a while, but when the Mac version finally arrived it seemed to be a rather crippled version of the Windows beast, and never seemed to keep up in terms of functionality.

But now that I’m using noatikl in conjunction with Logic Express - what a combination! Just the anticipation of all the stuff in Logic that I can control - I’m billing you guys for a new keyboard after all the drool it’s had to deal with.

And the price drop is just icing on my Christmas cake.

]]> By: Pete http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-358047 Pete Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:52:02 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-358047 Hi! Some "hot" news for you: after a lot of feedback, and heated internal discussion :), we are launching noatikl at a $99 price point (for non-commercial use of a single noatikl variant for a single operating system). The suite price ($99 upgrade) includes a commercial use license for all noatikl variants for the operating system. If that ain't cheap, I don't know what is! Pete Hi!

Some “hot” news for you: after a lot of feedback, and heated internal discussion :), we are launching noatikl at a $99 price point (for non-commercial use of a single noatikl variant for a single operating system). The suite price ($99 upgrade) includes a commercial use license for all noatikl variants for the operating system.

If that ain’t cheap, I don’t know what is!

Pete

]]> By: umcorps http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-357803 umcorps Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:05:44 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-357803 Equating noatikl to a new keyboard is spot on. It's a really useful way to approach it, both in terms of getting it set up and in using it to drive your devices. In deciding whether or not Koan was anything other than a novelty, it might be helpful to glance at http://www.vimeo.com/darksymphony for an overview of some of the things that were achieved using just that software alone. Equating noatikl to a new keyboard is spot on. It’s a really useful way to approach it, both in terms of getting it set up and in using it to drive your devices.

In deciding whether or not Koan was anything other than a novelty, it might be helpful to glance at http://www.vimeo.com/darksymphony for an overview of some of the things that were achieved using just that software alone.

]]> By: justin http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-357282 justin Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:35:40 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-357282 hrm, I was going to buy a new keyboard, but I might just buy noatikl instead. I heard of koan but it was unavailable by the time I discovered what it was. I tried the demo of noatikl recently, and I must say it's very nice especially with a good synth. hrm, I was going to buy a new keyboard, but I might just buy noatikl instead. I heard of koan but it was unavailable by the time I discovered what it was. I tried the demo of noatikl recently, and I must say it’s very nice especially with a good synth.

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-357180 Peter Kirn Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:30:17 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/#comment-357180 Since I made the connection here to Eno, as well, I'll defend the Koan / Eno connections ... I'm with Pete in that it's a point of reference. Actually, from the perspective of gaming, generative scores right now really are a blank slate in many ways. A lot of game music is barely interactive. I believe this music has lots of potential *beyond* gaming, but the point there is, gaming is an inherently interactive medium and even there music tends to be conceived in learn fashion! So, something like noatikl, in establishing an engine for this kind of work, is interesting stuff. And to whatever degree some people may find this overly simplistic -- which is fine, maybe it doesn't meet your needs -- coupling it with Ableton Live would open lots of different potential. So, I do appreciate this feedback ... as someone who's *not* the developer, I'll see what I can work out using it, hopefully within the next couple of weeks. Since I made the connection here to Eno, as well, I’ll defend the Koan / Eno connections …

I’m with Pete in that it’s a point of reference. Actually, from the perspective of gaming, generative scores right now really are a blank slate in many ways. A lot of game music is barely interactive. I believe this music has lots of potential *beyond* gaming, but the point there is, gaming is an inherently interactive medium and even there music tends to be conceived in learn fashion!

So, something like noatikl, in establishing an engine for this kind of work, is interesting stuff.

And to whatever degree some people may find this overly simplistic — which is fine, maybe it doesn’t meet your needs — coupling it with Ableton Live would open lots of different potential.

So, I do appreciate this feedback … as someone who’s *not* the developer, I’ll see what I can work out using it, hopefully within the next couple of weeks.

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