Comments on: Last.fm Frees Full-Length Music and Albums, and Artists Get Paid MORE http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:41:57 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: adamj http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/comment-page-1/#comment-380725 adamj Thu, 24 Jan 2008 05:13:19 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/#comment-380725 "Amazon has the largest DRM-free catalog currently". Is that really true? emusic.com has been around for years and completely DRM-free from the beginning. I don't know how big Amazon's DRM-free catalog is, but it's still fairly new so I doubt it's approaching the size of emusic yet. “Amazon has the largest DRM-free catalog currently”.

Is that really true? emusic.com has been around for years and completely DRM-free from the beginning. I don’t know how big Amazon’s DRM-free catalog is, but it’s still fairly new so I doubt it’s approaching the size of emusic yet.

]]> By: sudara http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/comment-page-1/#comment-380648 sudara Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:31:44 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/#comment-380648 True, I didn't mean to imply that there isn't a need to connect the artist with listener. I'm just amazed at the number of companies coming up with creative/crazy/convoluted/interesting solutions. And ultimately, I do think that the model that eventually sticks around will be simpler than what existed before (artist to label to distributor). True, I didn’t mean to imply that there isn’t a need to connect the artist with listener. I’m just amazed at the number of companies coming up with creative/crazy/convoluted/interesting solutions. And ultimately, I do think that the model that eventually sticks around will be simpler than what existed before (artist to label to distributor).

]]> By: Symbiotic http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/comment-page-1/#comment-380645 Symbiotic Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:16:29 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/#comment-380645 An interesting point, sudara - though I think the whole purpose of the 'middle man' is to expose listeners to music they might not otherwise hear. Sure an artist can distribute directly to listeners, but the listener has to know where to go. I've found some great new music through services such as Last.FM and Pandora - stuff I might otherwise have missed. Make it so that I don't have to leave the site if I want to hear more of the same and even possibly purchase the music, and you've got an effective new model. I'm anxious to see what the unlimited subscription looks like and how well this new system will integrate with non-desktop terminals such as mobile handsets, Squeezeboxen, and the like. An interesting point, sudara – though I think the whole purpose of the ‘middle man’ is to expose listeners to music they might not otherwise hear. Sure an artist can distribute directly to listeners, but the listener has to know where to go. I’ve found some great new music through services such as Last.FM and Pandora – stuff I might otherwise have missed. Make it so that I don’t have to leave the site if I want to hear more of the same and even possibly purchase the music, and you’ve got an effective new model.

I’m anxious to see what the unlimited subscription looks like and how well this new system will integrate with non-desktop terminals such as mobile handsets, Squeezeboxen, and the like.

]]> By: sudara http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/comment-page-1/#comment-380637 sudara Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:06:41 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/#comment-380637 Listener views advertiser's ad on site while listening to artist. Advertiser pays site which then pays artist. Strange! It takes 3 other parties tangoing to rustle up some cash for the artist, and the income isn't even direct. What a strange world. It is really crazy out there - so many crazy schemes and ideas and solutions and suggestions - all regarding how to sell music and play the middle man between artist and listener. Maybe the concept of the middleman is something we're holding on to as familiar, but the simpler answer is that it is pretty much becoming unnecessary. Listener views advertiser’s ad on site while listening to artist.
Advertiser pays site which then pays artist.

Strange! It takes 3 other parties tangoing to rustle up some cash for the artist, and the income isn’t even direct. What a strange world.

It is really crazy out there – so many crazy schemes and ideas and solutions and suggestions – all regarding how to sell music and play the middle man between artist and listener.

Maybe the concept of the middleman is something we’re holding on to as familiar, but the simpler answer is that it is pretty much becoming unnecessary.

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/comment-page-1/#comment-380609 Peter Kirn Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:08:47 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/#comment-380609 Jerry, correct, good point. I was lumping those groups together. Of course, in many cases that IS the same person, but in many cases it isn't. If you do happen to be the same person, though, this new arrangement from Last.fm with ad revenue means you're getting a heftier check for these plays. The one thing Last.fm *isn't* saying -- but I think you can read this between the lines -- artists wanting to make any significant income will want to translate these listens to some kind of purchase, whether it's merch or a digital download or whatever. So, having just argued for the advantages of online music access, musicians should hope they can find their own way to monetize some follow-up purchase, whether that's buying a file you can play on your portable or -- even better -- buying ticket concerts, exclusive tracks, etc. Jerry, correct, good point. I was lumping those groups together. Of course, in many cases that IS the same person, but in many cases it isn’t. If you do happen to be the same person, though, this new arrangement from Last.fm with ad revenue means you’re getting a heftier check for these plays.

The one thing Last.fm *isn’t* saying — but I think you can read this between the lines — artists wanting to make any significant income will want to translate these listens to some kind of purchase, whether it’s merch or a digital download or whatever. So, having just argued for the advantages of online music access, musicians should hope they can find their own way to monetize some follow-up purchase, whether that’s buying a file you can play on your portable or — even better — buying ticket concerts, exclusive tracks, etc.

]]> By: Jerry Bailey http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/comment-page-1/#comment-380607 Jerry Bailey Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:03:59 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/#comment-380607 BMI and ASCAP don't pay royalties to "artists" unless they write the songs. In most cases, songwriters are anonymous people behind the scenes, entirely separate from the performing artists who make records, tour and sell concessions. It's an important distinction if you're a songwriter struggling to make a living. BMI and ASCAP don’t pay royalties to “artists” unless they write the songs. In most cases, songwriters are anonymous people behind the scenes, entirely separate from the performing artists who make records, tour and sell concessions. It’s an important distinction if you’re a songwriter struggling to make a living.

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/comment-page-1/#comment-380604 Peter Kirn Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:48:37 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/#comment-380604 You read my mind, Klangfreund. ;) Just picked up SoS to read that very article... Of course, the online distributors have tended to go with lowest common denominator before highest quality, so there are challenges ahead of us. But I am very interested in MP3 surround, indeed. You read my mind, Klangfreund. ;) Just picked up SoS to read that very article…

Of course, the online distributors have tended to go with lowest common denominator before highest quality, so there are challenges ahead of us. But I am very interested in MP3 surround, indeed.

]]> By: Klangfreund http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/comment-page-1/#comment-380602 Klangfreund Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:41:20 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/#comment-380602 @Peter Kirn: Your absolutely right. Just an additional information, if you don't know about already: You might be interrested in MP3 Surround. It was featured in the January 2008 issue of SoundOnSound. Conclusion: High quality and downward compatible to regular mp3, it might help surround to (finally) reach the masses. http://www.all4mp3.com/ http://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/bf/amm/mp3sur/index.jsp @Peter Kirn: Your absolutely right. Just an additional information, if you don’t know about already: You might be interrested in MP3 Surround. It was featured in the January 2008 issue of SoundOnSound. Conclusion: High quality and downward compatible to regular mp3, it might help surround to (finally) reach the masses.

http://www.all4mp3.com/
http://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/bf/amm/mp3sur/index.jsp

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/comment-page-1/#comment-380597 Peter Kirn Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:19:49 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/#comment-380597 I'm excited, but cautious. It's not as severe an issue with music as with video, but physical media generally means fewer compromises as far as quality. (With video, by contrast, the difference between "HD" as delivered by iTunes and HD as delivered by HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is really noticeable. But even with music, I wonder -- like what higher-quality surround could be more practical with physical than digital distribution.) That said, I think you're right -- huge potential advantages here. I’m excited, but cautious. It’s not as severe an issue with music as with video, but physical media generally means fewer compromises as far as quality. (With video, by contrast, the difference between “HD” as delivered by iTunes and HD as delivered by HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is really noticeable. But even with music, I wonder — like what higher-quality surround could be more practical with physical than digital distribution.)

That said, I think you’re right — huge potential advantages here.

]]> By: lost http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/comment-page-1/#comment-380596 lost Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:15:22 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/01/23/lastfm-frees-full-length-music-and-albums-and-artists-get-paid-more/#comment-380596 Until I have broadband internet everywhere, I want the tracks on my hard drive. But once we got Wi-max, 3g, or whatever they're gunna pull out of their asses, then this will be important in my everyday life as opposed to just another step towards the implosion of copyright laws and fair use agreements. Streaming subscription services will be the future. Who cares about hard drive space when you can access a server with all the music you can think of from anywhere in the world at any time? And see what the other people on the bus with you are listening to. Or get statistics as to what people are listening to in vermont, or miami, or tokyo. Then you can search for it, and instantly listen to it too. Im excited! Until I have broadband internet everywhere, I want the tracks on my hard drive. But once we got Wi-max, 3g, or whatever they’re gunna pull out of their asses, then this will be important in my everyday life as opposed to just another step towards the implosion of copyright laws and fair use agreements.
Streaming subscription services will be the future. Who cares about hard drive space when you can access a server with all the music you can think of from anywhere in the world at any time? And see what the other people on the bus with you are listening to. Or get statistics as to what people are listening to in vermont, or miami, or tokyo. Then you can search for it, and instantly listen to it too. Im excited!

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