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	<title>Comments on: MySong: Your Own Virtual, Tone-Deaf Accompanist</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Teresa Devlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa Devlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello  iam deaf so i could like music drum
cd and  mp3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello  iam deaf so i could like music drum<br />
cd and  mp3</p>
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		<title>By: Paul van Dinther</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/02/29/mysong-your-own-virtual-tone-deaf-accompanist/#comment-437496</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul van Dinther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the pretentious slider is way up on you because you miss the point completely. This is not about dumbing down music production. It is about understanding music production. I agree they are miles away from their goal but as they learn they will get there.

"Isn’t it the struggle that makes it fun?"

Nonsense, Does better video editing software make video montage less fun? Is Photoshop spoiling graphics editing since it was so much fun in MS Paint?  Tools are there to make things, having the tools is never a guarantee that you can actually create the thing the tool is for.

I think taking music creation to the people is a good thing because rather than being passive CD buyers or MP3 pirates people get involved and entertain themselves making music. It doesn't have to be hard to be fun be it that easy gained results will never provide a high level of personal satisfaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the pretentious slider is way up on you because you miss the point completely. This is not about dumbing down music production. It is about understanding music production. I agree they are miles away from their goal but as they learn they will get there.</p>
<p>&#8220;Isn’t it the struggle that makes it fun?&#8221;</p>
<p>Nonsense, Does better video editing software make video montage less fun? Is Photoshop spoiling graphics editing since it was so much fun in MS Paint?  Tools are there to make things, having the tools is never a guarantee that you can actually create the thing the tool is for.</p>
<p>I think taking music creation to the people is a good thing because rather than being passive CD buyers or MP3 pirates people get involved and entertain themselves making music. It doesn&#8217;t have to be hard to be fun be it that easy gained results will never provide a high level of personal satisfaction.</p>
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		<title>By: mariano latorre</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/02/29/mysong-your-own-virtual-tone-deaf-accompanist/#comment-416356</link>
		<dc:creator>mariano latorre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should have support for plugins so you can choose/create/download/publish music styles. 

Then you sing, choose parameters and a style, burn CD and become rich....hahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should have support for plugins so you can choose/create/download/publish music styles. </p>
<p>Then you sing, choose parameters and a style, burn CD and become rich&#8230;.hahaha</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/02/29/mysong-your-own-virtual-tone-deaf-accompanist/#comment-408005</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the software is pretty successful, if only in the sense that most of the chords don't crash with the voices. And you have to agree that the result sounds better than what the users would have come up with sitting down at a piano for the first time.

Sometime in the future (although not in our lifetimes) there will be software capable of composing tonal music at the same level as humans, or better. This would not make music less human, per se, because human involvement would still be needed to create algorithms, which is basically what composition is anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the software is pretty successful, if only in the sense that most of the chords don&#8217;t crash with the voices. And you have to agree that the result sounds better than what the users would have come up with sitting down at a piano for the first time.</p>
<p>Sometime in the future (although not in our lifetimes) there will be software capable of composing tonal music at the same level as humans, or better. This would not make music less human, per se, because human involvement would still be needed to create algorithms, which is basically what composition is anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Myles de Bastion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myles de Bastion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, what do you think of http://www.improvisator.de/en/
and 
http://www.chordspace.com/ ?

Pretty automated musical tools but the difference is that your decisions and feedback shape the overall outcome and some musical ability is needed to make something pleasing. It does arguable "dumb down" the theory side of music though..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, what do you think of <a href="http://www.improvisator.de/en/" rel="nofollow">http://www.improvisator.de/en/</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.chordspace.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chordspace.com/</a> ?</p>
<p>Pretty automated musical tools but the difference is that your decisions and feedback shape the overall outcome and some musical ability is needed to make something pleasing. It does arguable &#8220;dumb down&#8221; the theory side of music though..</p>
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		<title>By: James Grahame</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/02/29/mysong-your-own-virtual-tone-deaf-accompanist/#comment-407368</link>
		<dc:creator>James Grahame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter - It sounds like they've almost nailed the "Community theater audition accompanist" sound. All they need to add are a few ferocious vamps and the ability to push so far ahead of the beat that the vocalists rush into the final few bleating bars at around twice the original tempo.

The reason people write songs with instruments is that nothing beats the immediacy of being able to try a handful of chord combinations in quick succession to find underlying magic that makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. There's an incredibly fluid interplay between melody and harmony that occurs in real time, and which develops with experience. You can't access any of that by croaking monotonically into a microphone like a dying goat.  

The trouble with predictive music software is that it always looks backwards, incorporating progressions that have worked in previous hits, along with styles which were popular in the past. There's nothing new, unless you accidentally set the sliders to channel both George Gershwin and Frank Zappa in the same horrific tune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter - It sounds like they&#8217;ve almost nailed the &#8220;Community theater audition accompanist&#8221; sound. All they need to add are a few ferocious vamps and the ability to push so far ahead of the beat that the vocalists rush into the final few bleating bars at around twice the original tempo.</p>
<p>The reason people write songs with instruments is that nothing beats the immediacy of being able to try a handful of chord combinations in quick succession to find underlying magic that makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. There&#8217;s an incredibly fluid interplay between melody and harmony that occurs in real time, and which develops with experience. You can&#8217;t access any of that by croaking monotonically into a microphone like a dying goat.  </p>
<p>The trouble with predictive music software is that it always looks backwards, incorporating progressions that have worked in previous hits, along with styles which were popular in the past. There&#8217;s nothing new, unless you accidentally set the sliders to channel both George Gershwin and Frank Zappa in the same horrific tune.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@martron: see, this is why I shoot my mouth off; I always learn something. I have to admit, I know some of David Cope's work but hadn't heard the musical examples. They're really mind blowing. For instance, I can't imagine being fooled into thinking the faux Chopin was real, but it actually becomes, strangely, brilliant parody.

The example above is anything but musical "intelligence." It actually sounds like bad beginning theory exercises -- though that's also kind of interesting. It sounds like, aside from lacking a sample set large enough (which maybe also could be said of many beginning music students), the harmonic model is overly vertical. Just having proper voice leading doesn't necessarily make harmonies coherent against a forward moving melody.

I also find it amusing that we got a spam trackback from a deaf spamblog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@martron: see, this is why I shoot my mouth off; I always learn something. I have to admit, I know some of David Cope&#8217;s work but hadn&#8217;t heard the musical examples. They&#8217;re really mind blowing. For instance, I can&#8217;t imagine being fooled into thinking the faux Chopin was real, but it actually becomes, strangely, brilliant parody.</p>
<p>The example above is anything but musical &#8220;intelligence.&#8221; It actually sounds like bad beginning theory exercises &#8212; though that&#8217;s also kind of interesting. It sounds like, aside from lacking a sample set large enough (which maybe also could be said of many beginning music students), the harmonic model is overly vertical. Just having proper voice leading doesn&#8217;t necessarily make harmonies coherent against a forward moving melody.</p>
<p>I also find it amusing that we got a spam trackback from a deaf spamblog.</p>
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		<title>By: martron</title>
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		<dc:creator>martron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gave the wrong link for the EMI mp3s... The following is correct: http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/mp3page.htm

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave the wrong link for the EMI mp3s&#8230; The following is correct: <a href="http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/mp3page.htm" rel="nofollow">http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/mp3page.htm</a></p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: martron</title>
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		<dc:creator>martron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris: Seems to be the reason why it turned into a breakup song.

@Everyone: The sample set of 300 pieces is probably too small and/or they haven't refined the model well enough to infer harmonic characteristics.  The closest example to this that I can find at the moment is David Cope's work with Experiments in Musical Intelligence where he had EMI create songs in the style of certain composers based on analyses of their body of work ( http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/experiments.htm &#60;- mp3s).  I consider this a lot more aesthetically successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris: Seems to be the reason why it turned into a breakup song.</p>
<p>@Everyone: The sample set of 300 pieces is probably too small and/or they haven&#8217;t refined the model well enough to infer harmonic characteristics.  The closest example to this that I can find at the moment is David Cope&#8217;s work with Experiments in Musical Intelligence where he had EMI create songs in the style of certain composers based on analyses of their body of work ( <a href="http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/experiments.htm" rel="nofollow">http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/experiments.htm</a> &lt;- mp3s).  I consider this a lot more aesthetically successful.</p>
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