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		<title>By: Ashley Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arrington is just trolling, again.  As others have pointed out, he has a passion for devaluing the work of others.  And then turning their anger into his traffic.  

Real music fans will always be happy to pay a good price for real music when it is offered to them directly from the artist.  Recorded or otherwise.  Nothing will change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrington is just trolling, again.  As others have pointed out, he has a passion for devaluing the work of others.  And then turning their anger into his traffic.  </p>
<p>Real music fans will always be happy to pay a good price for real music when it is offered to them directly from the artist.  Recorded or otherwise.  Nothing will change that.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute, Lawrence. I would tend to agree about what musicians may lack, but let&#039;s put it this way: I wouldn&#039;t run to hire Arrington. Doesn&#039;t mean I don&#039;t respect him and don&#039;t read what he&#039;s writing, but I don&#039;t have to agree with him all the time. He&#039;s ignoring business models musicians *are* familiar with, and suggesting recorded music is worthless. This is the guy who&#039;s supposed to have a fantastic understanding of the business model for recorded music? His whole point is that there is none -- and I think he&#039;s dead wrong. He&#039;s got absolutely no explanation for a) why it&#039;s free, b) why people still pay large amounts of money (more than 10 cents, as I mentioned) for music, and c) why you should follow his free model or how it&#039;d work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute, Lawrence. I would tend to agree about what musicians may lack, but let&#8217;s put it this way: I wouldn&#8217;t run to hire Arrington. Doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t respect him and don&#8217;t read what he&#8217;s writing, but I don&#8217;t have to agree with him all the time. He&#8217;s ignoring business models musicians *are* familiar with, and suggesting recorded music is worthless. This is the guy who&#8217;s supposed to have a fantastic understanding of the business model for recorded music? His whole point is that there is none &#8212; and I think he&#8217;s dead wrong. He&#8217;s got absolutely no explanation for a) why it&#8217;s free, b) why people still pay large amounts of money (more than 10 cents, as I mentioned) for music, and c) why you should follow his free model or how it&#8217;d work.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Salberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence Salberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilarious. So Michael Arrington is a know-nothing idiot? Yeah. That&#039;s it. And how many regular readers of CDM also regularly read TechCrunch (besides me, I mean). Can&#039;t we all just get along. Taken in perspective, both sides have valid points. But let&#039;s be a bit real, can we?

Musicians (if we can even agree to incorporate this whole group - including all the bit-sampling fools and rappers - in that description) have a vested interest in selling their music - not all musicians - but it would be nice, no?

Attorneys (like Arrington) who understand something that most musicians lack (business models) might be worth listening to. Unless you just want to be like those starving artists who sell one $10,000 painting a year, but stay true to thyself. Fine for some, but some folks here might actual value commercial success. Musicians hardly have a solid-gold track records when it comes to common sense business (i.e. Boston, VanHalen, Simon &amp; Garfunkel, and the list goes on, ba-da-bump da da dump).

Just because you can cram a whole studio into your Roland Fantom doesn&#039;t mean you can also cram some business sense into it as well. Be smart, eh? Some of us out there wouldn&#039;t mind selling 50,000 tracks at 10 cents a track rather than someone else&#039;s pricing schema of selling 5,000 tracks at $1.00 a piece.

Heck, I listen to Bruce Springsteen&#039;s Radio Nowhere a few times a month because it was a free iTune download (which is where I heard it first before it got a little radio airplay) and that album is on my &quot;to purchase&quot; list just because of that one song. I haven&#039;t bought a Springsteen album since Born in the USA (and had no intention of ever doing so after his disastrous Tunnel of Love nonsense). 

So cry and wail and gnash your teeth all you want, but consumers dictate the market (as Ed above pointed out), not the artists. And the smart ones will seek out the business gurus (if they intend on making a living do it) rather than stick to their self-righteous guns. As for the guy who wants to do only live shows, hey that&#039;s great (and actually validates Arrington&#039;s points). We have a great coffee shop here in Melbourne that he can come and visit. He&#039;ll easily clear enough for a cup of Iced Chai Tea. 30 minutes for $3.00. Down here in Florida, we call that &quot;minimum wage&quot;. But, hey, the money&#039;s pure, I guess, so enjoy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious. So Michael Arrington is a know-nothing idiot? Yeah. That&#8217;s it. And how many regular readers of CDM also regularly read TechCrunch (besides me, I mean). Can&#8217;t we all just get along. Taken in perspective, both sides have valid points. But let&#8217;s be a bit real, can we?</p>
<p>Musicians (if we can even agree to incorporate this whole group &#8211; including all the bit-sampling fools and rappers &#8211; in that description) have a vested interest in selling their music &#8211; not all musicians &#8211; but it would be nice, no?</p>
<p>Attorneys (like Arrington) who understand something that most musicians lack (business models) might be worth listening to. Unless you just want to be like those starving artists who sell one $10,000 painting a year, but stay true to thyself. Fine for some, but some folks here might actual value commercial success. Musicians hardly have a solid-gold track records when it comes to common sense business (i.e. Boston, VanHalen, Simon &amp; Garfunkel, and the list goes on, ba-da-bump da da dump).</p>
<p>Just because you can cram a whole studio into your Roland Fantom doesn&#8217;t mean you can also cram some business sense into it as well. Be smart, eh? Some of us out there wouldn&#8217;t mind selling 50,000 tracks at 10 cents a track rather than someone else&#8217;s pricing schema of selling 5,000 tracks at $1.00 a piece.</p>
<p>Heck, I listen to Bruce Springsteen&#8217;s Radio Nowhere a few times a month because it was a free iTune download (which is where I heard it first before it got a little radio airplay) and that album is on my &#8220;to purchase&#8221; list just because of that one song. I haven&#8217;t bought a Springsteen album since Born in the USA (and had no intention of ever doing so after his disastrous Tunnel of Love nonsense). </p>
<p>So cry and wail and gnash your teeth all you want, but consumers dictate the market (as Ed above pointed out), not the artists. And the smart ones will seek out the business gurus (if they intend on making a living do it) rather than stick to their self-righteous guns. As for the guy who wants to do only live shows, hey that&#8217;s great (and actually validates Arrington&#8217;s points). We have a great coffee shop here in Melbourne that he can come and visit. He&#8217;ll easily clear enough for a cup of Iced Chai Tea. 30 minutes for $3.00. Down here in Florida, we call that &#8220;minimum wage&#8221;. But, hey, the money&#8217;s pure, I guess, so enjoy!</p>
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		<title>By: vvvoid</title>
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		<dc:creator>vvvoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh, that article written like a true beancounting bitter non-artist twat.

Comment #62 pretty much sums it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh, that article written like a true beancounting bitter non-artist twat.</p>
<p>Comment #62 pretty much sums it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Create Digital Music &#187; The Problem with Music Taxes: Where Does the Money Go, and How Much?</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/03/26/tech-blogger-michael-arrington-thinks-you-musicians-owe-the-web-money/comment-page-1/#comment-424955</link>
		<dc:creator>Create Digital Music &#187; The Problem with Music Taxes: Where Does the Money Go, and How Much?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] never fully understand technology bloggers when it comes to music policy. Here&#8217;s an obviously stupid idea: Warner Brothers, the label, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: J-chot</title>
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		<dc:creator>J-chot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it never fails, the people who make these retarded statements make music that no-one would want to buy.


stupid hippis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it never fails, the people who make these retarded statements make music that no-one would want to buy.</p>
<p>stupid hippis.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-03-28 - MusicbizHacks.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-03-28 - MusicbizHacks.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Create Digital Music Â» Tech Blogger Michael Arrington Thinks You Musicians Owe the Web Money I apparently had better things to do this weekend than hear the latest self-righteous, all music is free, the Web changes the fabric of reality post about the music business, this time from Michael Arrington of Techcrunch. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Create Digital Music Â» Tech Blogger Michael Arrington Thinks You Musicians Owe the Web Money I apparently had better things to do this weekend than hear the latest self-righteous, all music is free, the Web changes the fabric of reality post about the music business, this time from Michael Arrington of Techcrunch. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sudara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sudara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here Here!

I&#039;m glad you picked this one up, Peter. Arrington could have only written this from a place of feigned ignorance to stir blog hits - the premise is not even real:

Think of listening to your favorite song on headphones, lying on your floor.
Think music defining the ambiance at a restaurant.
Think of endless working hours with music as your company.
Think of having guests over and how important that record is that you choose.

Viva recorded music. We can only be at the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here Here!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you picked this one up, Peter. Arrington could have only written this from a place of feigned ignorance to stir blog hits &#8211; the premise is not even real:</p>
<p>Think of listening to your favorite song on headphones, lying on your floor.<br />
Think music defining the ambiance at a restaurant.<br />
Think of endless working hours with music as your company.<br />
Think of having guests over and how important that record is that you choose.</p>
<p>Viva recorded music. We can only be at the beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: runagate</title>
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		<dc:creator>runagate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s odd - I generally value recorded music more than live.  And I come from the live improv background.

Other than that the depth of any possible discussion of economic justice seems a bit beyond the scope of musicians making a living - almost no musicians as we typically think of them *are* making a living in our culture, unlike many in the last 5,000 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s odd &#8211; I generally value recorded music more than live.  And I come from the live improv background.</p>
<p>Other than that the depth of any possible discussion of economic justice seems a bit beyond the scope of musicians making a living &#8211; almost no musicians as we typically think of them *are* making a living in our culture, unlike many in the last 5,000 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Messenger Music Service &#124; Musicians Owe the Web Money?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messenger Music Service &#124; Musicians Owe the Web Money?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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