slicex

Slicex: So hot. And that’s Edison, integrated into the program.

FL Studio 8 is here, more or less — as I write this, Release Candidate 3 is available for download, but the final version appears imminent. So, as other tools have matured, why is it that FL is one of those few programs that seems to attract real love?

The press release for the new FL Studio (known to everyone except developer Image-Line as “Fruity Loops”) keeps using the term “DAW.” I have nothing against that, even though DAW as a term has little do with music. (It is the sound English speakers make when they see a cute little lambie or puppy. You know, “dawwwww!….”) It’s a familiar situation: Ableton Live, whose developers came up with the far more descriptive “live sequencing instrument” for their product, felt (rightfully) that Live could compete with more traditional programs and so adopted an otherwise meaningless name. As in that case, FL’s combination of MIDI and audio tools, plug-in hosting and (cough, Reason!) audio recording means you can produce music end to end with it. (Too bad the acronym “DAW” does nothing to hint at what it means.)

What it means to be Fruity

fltoys  So, it’s not that FL isn’t a DAW — it’s that it is something else that other programs may not be. I think it needs its own acronym, especially with FL 8 stronger than ever after nearly a decade of ever-maturing releases, a passionate audience, and a dedication to talented developer Arguru, whom the music software community lost last year.

Some nominations:

Insane Idiosyncratically-Awesome Music Suite — IIAMS! Wait, no, that sounds like dog food. (Dawwwww!)

Toybox of Sonic Wonders — TOWS.

Beat Bonanza Tracker Sequencer Hybrid — pronounced BbbbbTHHS!, which is the sound I suggest you make at anyone who suggests FL isn’t capable of serious music or “sounds bad.” (Try to produce some spittle in the process.)

(your superior idea here)

Why am I making a fuss over this? Let me see if I can boil it down:

  • FL’s approach to sequencing is like nothing else. Rich MIDI sequencing tools meet up with a unusually-focused approach to patterns and loops. It’s really a kind of hybrid between conventional sequencers and music trackers, blending some of the best of each. At first, that can make it confusing to use, but once you wrap your head around the combination, it can be very powerful.
  • It’s kind of a ridiculous value. US$50-$100 buys you a perfectly usable version of the program — not a stripped-down, crippled version; you even get some extras. The most you can spend is about US$199-299, or $399 if you absolutely have to have it in a box. Opening that collection is like walking into an art museum of plug-in development, from avant-garde oddities to classics, with all the bundled noisemakers. Only it’s a museum where you can lick the paintings. For soft synth lovers, even the $500 Logic Pro bundle or new $1000 Ableton suite can’t compare in sheer value.
  • It keeps getting better. Cheap and free upgrades keep you getting new features. FL has gradually matured from a nifty niche tool to one of the most mature programs out there. And download versions have lifetime free upgrades.
  • It’s not for everyone. Some people find the interface maddening. Its kitchen-sink approach may frighten away people who don’t have an appetite for synths and sequencing. And it generally seems to attract a special crowd of FL lovers. But that’s why we love it. And go ahead, hate it if you don’t get it — FL lovers won’t care.
  • It’s a reason to use Windows. Because of the way it was developed, FL almost certainly won’t be appearing on the Mac any time soon. But FL can make Windows look better, with rock-solid platform support, Vista support on day one when a lot of other things were broken, and rich ASIO support. It even installs ASIO4ALL by default so you can use the headphone jack on your laptop and other non-ASIO hardware. You could do that yourself. But it shows they care.

The real elephant in the room is FL’s one rival and younger challenger, Ableton Live. But a funny thing happens there. Almost everyone I know who runs Live on Windows spends some time with FL, as well. And this is why the “DAW” label is truly meaningless for people who love music software. Comparing Live and FL just doesn’t make that much sense. Ableton is an experience in minimalism, and we love it for that. FL is deliciously maximalist: arpeggiators and modulation sources seem to come out of the woodwork, and plug-ins and features are there because they’re fun, not because the program couldn’t live without them. You could live without FL itself — but that would be less fun. FL’s finely-detailed sequencing tools, better quantization features, and plug-in value also make it a perfect partner to Ableton, especially given that most of FL’s instruments and effects will run in Live as plug-ins, and FL itself will happily run inside Ableton as either a ReWire client or a plug-in itself. (It’s lightweight enough that that has some appeal.)

Anyway, I digress. But as we line up coverage for the next few months, music making in a few choice programs is really high on the list. And I won’t be covering everything, not because there aren’t lots of wonderful choices, but because as a musician, you ultimately have to choose to use some things and not others. And FL is definitely on my short list. I just enjoy making music with it.

What’s New in FL8

synthmaker

Take a close look at this screen-shot: SynthMaker isn’t just bundled with FL; it’s integrated with FL. A number of modules give you access to data on samples, tempo and position, time signature, and other host information. I’d love to see more of that in other hosts.

Now having reflected on the philosophy of FL, let’s get to the good stuff — what’s new in 8.

Make your own instruments and effects: FL is bundled with FL SynthMaker, an “FL-native” version of one of the best DIY plugin makers on any platform. You can now build your own MIDI “dashboards”, effects, and instruments without coding and share what you’ve made with other FL users.

Slicex slicer/looper thing: Slicex does some ReCycle-like beat detection and slicing of audio loops so you can re-arrange and time stretch audio, and play from a controller. It’s not Edison, the audio editor-turned-instrument — in fact, Edison is built into Slicex for audio editing. The ability to just drop audio into FL and not only warp it but edit and slice it looks really terrific.

New plug-ins: The Fruity Limiter (compressor/limiter), Wave Candy (for visualizing sound spectrums, complete with an oscilloscope, or just acting as eye candy), Spectrum Analyzer, Peak Meter, and maximizer-enhanced “Soundgoodizer.”

Beefed-up Edison: Edison, an editor/recorder that’s integrated with FL, was already good stuff. Now it also does audio-to-MIDI analysis, records larger files, and lets you mark and dump sound to the Playlist. There’s also an interesting improvement that does gaps filling and drum loop stretching — more on that and the overall workflow here soon.

Envelope Sequencer: This is actually the feature I’m most excited about; stuff like Sytrus and Fruity Love Philter that uses FL’s already-powerful envelope feature now can do arpeggiated patterns more easily.

Always recording: A “background score logger” records all MIDI into a 3-minute buffer so if you’re improvising and come up with an idea, it’s not lost. That 3-minute buffer gave me a chuckle, because hardware synth/keyboards often tout much smaller buffers.

Multilink controller learn for MIDI: This apparently makes it easier to keep your MIDI learn assignments permanent when using more than one controller. It’s not the autolearn sort of feature we’ve seen in tools like Live and SONAR, but it still sounds like good stuff — more detail once I’ve played around with it.

Recording filter: Record audio and note data independently — that should be handy for working with external synths.

OGG export: Groovy. And there are a few mobile players out there that do support OGG. It’s nice to see support for this open format.

Lots of other stuff: Playlist improvements, better clip handling, and lots of little plug-in improvements round out the upgrade.

With built-in, free (with Producer/XXL) support for DIY plug-ins alone, this is a big upgrade — add in the Edison improvements, Slicex, and envelope sequencer, and I’m pretty excited.

I’ve been using FL 8 beta for about a month, but hope to get in deeper and talk more about it soon. And I know you’re interested, too — the FL 8 preview we posted was one of CDM’s most popular stories so far in 2008. Stay tuned.

What’s New in FL Studio 8 [Image-Line]

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  • dumafuji

    love for the fruity?! shhhh! i spent all weekend with fl8. it's a great update this time. synthmaker and slicex are both just fantastic.

  • http://www.myspace.com/k1ru k1Ru

    good article…very true!

    FL and Live do complement each other very well. i started on FL5 and just seeing all the way they've come across is amazing. adding synthmaker has that uber explosive potential…like boom boom. has anyone ever even bothered with the already included fl slicer/granulizer??? they super kick ass..

  • http://www.audiogeekzine.com ~Jon~

    I'm loving FL8rc3, I can't make it crash!

  • http://rekkerd.org ronnie

    My DAW of choice. Coming from FT2, I got hooked on the fruity right away. And it gets better every time.

    Btw, no 10% discount link Peter? I'll toss in mine for even better value for money: BACJBAA468

    Get it while it's hot!

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Heh… just added our affiliate link. But it's good stuff, so even if we don't get affiliate cash — like you're upgrading for free, thanks to the lifetime upgrade program — we still love it. :)

    But I'll take any affiliate cash and use it to fund coffee to keep me alert for some FL tutorial writing. Howsaboutthat? ;)

  • Jason Grlicky

    This is making me far far far too happy. The recording filter feature in particular would be really handy for my current setup.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

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  • Craig

    flstudio is the most underrated program around – and I think that;s largely because it's PC only – Mac users make up a massive chunk of the musician/audio demographic.

  • http://tinygrass.com Arp

    FL8 has me seriously interested in heading back to FL from Live. FL7 did too, but the addition of Synthmaker clinches it.

    I'm still astounded that I don't have to pay a penny for all the new hotness. It's kinda ridiculous when you think about how much you'd spend over 5 years to buy & upgrade another application.

  • http://rekkerd.org ronnie

    Another thing I'm really excited about is the new plug-in database. Press Crtl-F8 in FL Studio to see it.

    I have tons of plug-ins I use every now and then, and a bunch I use all the time. With the new plug-in picker interface I can easily find my favorite plug-ins in a visual way.

  • http://www.thisisnotalabel.com evan

    Peter, I hesitate to ask whether or not you actually USE FruityLoops in a day-to-day music making setting?

    I'm not trying to be mean … I like your rundown of the new features. Still, I think you massively overstate the creative potential of FruityLoops.

    I have owned and used FL since 2001. It was the first 'DAW' that I purchased with my own money, and that had no hardware (my dad bought me my Roland 880EX). I love FruityLoops. Today, I use it to make all of my drum loops, and some rhythm section loops. In college, I used it exclusively for all of my music-making. My point here is that I am a very experienced and devoted FruityLoops user.

    Still, unless v8 is a massive upgrade, then it can't be your only DAW. It just can't.

    Just the way that the interface is designed forces you into some odd situations.

    Anyway, I currently use Tracktion AND FruityLoops for my music-making because of the idiosyncratic design decisions in FL… and I'm writing a counterpoint to this article on my site … it should be up shortly

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Evan, I hear what you're saying. But my whole point is that FL is interesting in many specific ways, *because* — not in spite of — the fact that it isn't just a bland compromise between everything you might ever want to do with a music program. Ableton and FL are now calling themselves DAWs, but what's ironic is that they were born as an alternative to the way in which the DAW category shackled developers to certain ways of doing things. And I think the evolution of each (and a number of other apps, including Tracktion) demonstrates that an app can grow and mature and add functionality without having to clone the way other tools work.

    I thought the specific mention of Live, and my resentment of the very term DAW should have made it clear that I don't necessarily advocate using FL as your one and only music-making program. Now, there are people who DO do exactly that — so to say it "just can't" be your only DAW would seem to underestimate people's ability to do whatever they want with whatever they want. But, no, I'd suggest combining FL with other apps. For me, that's Live and SONAR at the moment, SONAR as my traditional, linear DAW, and Live as a sort of cross-over between that and live performance tool. Anyway, I'm a little … strange … so I don't necessarily advocate anyone duplicating what I do with their setup. But I meet a lot of people who are similarly strange. Maybe that's the whole point.

    Anyway, what's so bad about using FL as a loop assembly program, particularly with these enhancements (like Slicex), this many plug-ins, support for ReWire, plug-in function in other apps (both of the host and many of the included instruments and effects), and at this price?

    And why do we have to insist on judging every program by its ability to do everything for you, all the time? It seems the programs that are best at doing that (namely the conventional DAWs) are often the least interesting for … well, things like live performance or creating actual musical materials.

    Don't think you're necessarily saying that, but just so I'm clear!

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Oh, yeah, I just used the word DAW way too many times. :)

    Substitute "music tool" and it starts to make sense. I love that FL and Live don't do everything, and that they do what they do differently than other apps. I think the appeal of trackers, etc., new general-purpose tools like Reaper and Tracktion, all comes out of that same appeal.

  • http://www.thisisnotalabel.com evan

    My rebuttal is here: http://www.thisisnotalabel.com/My-Rant-on-FL-Stud

    I hear what you're saying, but I think that there are some contradictions in your article. I love FruityLoops for what it does, and I think it can be enjoyed for its niche.

    Still, the problem it has had since version 6 is that it is trying to compete with the big boys. The price is going up and up, but the unique design still forces it into a niche.

    And in response to this question:"And why do we have to insist on judging every program by its ability to do everything for you, all the time?"

    Well, besides the fact that Image-Line is trying to sell FL Studio as a product that does everything, there is the problem of price. If FruityLoops isn't going to be my only DAW, why is it priced as such (ignoring the version that wouldn't be good enough for me personally)? From where I'm sitting, feature by feature, Tracktion and Reaper ARE full DAWs at a very similar price.

    Anyway, if I can purchase the upgrade through your link then I definitely will.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Okay, I see your point now that you have the full rebuttal up. It's interesting, as this parallels criticism of Ableton Live. The difference with Live is that the Arrange view really *is* a conventional DAW timeline view, whereas in FL the metaphors are more mixed. But I suppose I feel differently. The point is, Tracktion and Reaper and such are so cheap, adding another app isn't that expensive a proposition. And FL gives you a huge bundle of synths and effects for, say, less than Reason, but with better internal capabilities and better integration with other apps (Reason only works via ReWire; FL will act as an entire host-in-plugin). On the other hand, I don't think FL's grab bag of stuff necessarily competes (or is intended to compete) with things like NI Komplete or arguably even the suite in Logic or upgrade in Live.

    I guess, in a way, we agree. FL is this weird sort of app between everything else. Whether that's a blessing or a curse — or a combination of both — depends on where you sit.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    As a disclaimer: I've come to FL really late. To me, what I've seen added in recent versions really makes the whole app more appealing, not as a replacement for other tools but by fleshing out what's already there and unique. But I think that does give me a different perspective from those who liked its original, more lightweight design.

  • http://jackit.sf.net/ Paul Davis

    @evan: the term i like to use is "single application ghetto". and in my (extremely biased) opinion, its one of the worst elements of the windows/osx audio software ecosystems. there is way too much incentive for everyone to try to do too much, and way too little incentive for people to make programs that interoperate usefully, meaningfully and constructively. of course, one of the main reasons for this is that every extra program implies extra cash out of pocket for the user.

  • http://www.thisisnotalabel.com evan

    "I guess, in a way, we agree. FL is this weird sort of app between everything else. Whether that’s a blessing or a curse — or a combination of both — depends on where you sit."

    Very true, and the comment about Reaper and Tracktion being priced in such a way that it actually HELPS FruityLoops is prescient.

    I mean, if DAWs were all as expensive as Nuendo, for example, then no pro-sumers like us could afford to tack on FruityLoops.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Paul, I agree with you in principle. But it would be wildly unfair to say the musical ecosystem looks anything like, say, Photoshop on graphics. And Image-Line ships both FL and Deckadance with the ability to run as plug-ins — something they don't have to do (and something their competitors often don't do). They ship a lot of the instruments and effects as plug-ins. It's easy to say these apps do "too much," but a lot of this direction has come from users. And in the case of FL, the lifetime upgrade program means there's not even the normal financial incentive for feature creep.

  • http://rekkerd.org ronnie

    Evan, FL Studio can be my single DAW, I use FL Studio exclusively for my tracks without any problems.

    Doesn't mean that it can do everything you want it to do, in a way you'd like to work, but saying it can't be someone's single DAW is a bit silly IMHO.

  • http://www.eastern-crates.com/ LZA

    Doesnt DAW mean "Digital Audio Workstation"="the whole PC with the software on it+plus the hardware" ?!

  • metrosonus

    not that im a "hater" but I chose live after Fl version 6 for the live performance features and that I think that Lives clip view provides an organizational scheme that is superior to Fl's. Live to me, is far more flexible and organized than Fl will probably ever be.

    Although I do think it's an amazing value for the money, and I used it for close to ten years so they are doing something right, we just sadly grew apart… boo hoo

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Digital Audio Workstation generally just means any audio + MIDI multitrack application with broad functionality for recording, arranging, and (typically) mastering. But it's not a terribly well-defined category; it's tended instead to be defined by specific products (primarily Pro Tools, Logic, Cubase, DP, and SONAR, though there are many other tools that can do the same job).

    And yeah… you can use FL alone if you like. Or not. And I think you'd choose, say, Live over FL not because it's "better" or does "more" or is "more professional" — but because it's different. And that's an excellent reason.

  • http://www.datascraper.org PDX

    I never understood the reason why they cannot port FL to MAC. Good programmers can port just about anything to anything, what is the hold up?

    This new version looks promising but I wont start writing music on a PC just because of it.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    @PDX: FL Studio is written in Delphi.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borland_Delphi

    You can't just port just about anything to anything. :) The reason that's typically possible is that you may be working with code frameworks that are themselves cross-platform. Almost no software today is written from the ground up; it's written with the aid of existing software frameworks, building blocks for the code.

    In the case of FL Studio, even the programming language itself may be a problem. Originally, Delphi made use of its own programming language (based on ObjectPascal). If that's the case, it'd be even tougher to port the code. Even if they used the C++/C# components, it would mean making the whole app run on another framework — so you'd really be *rewriting* from scratch, not "porting."

    There is a Delphi equivalent for Linux, though, so maybe a Linux port is more feasible. But anyway, fact is Image-Line is certainly not holding a grudge or anything — Deckadance, their DJ tool, plus most of their plug-ins all run on Mac. I think in this case, the way the software was developed has made things more difficult. And it's not necessarily whether it's impossible — it's whether they can fund the effort and finish it in a reasonable amount of time.

  • cubestar

    I never used FL when I had a PC.

    It's an amazing value if it clicks with you, but I never got along with IL's interface conventions.

    Plus, why don't more companies rip off non-linear-ness from Ableton?

  • http://www.myspace.com/phattfoniks phattfoniks

    I await each update to FL like xmas. I remember the humble notepad sequencing of fruityloops 1 (the first program i used for music making on a computer!). It always blows me away how much hidden depth this program really has. I've been lookin for a copy of the original for nostalgia, but cant find it anywhere…

  • http://www.datascraper.org PDX

    @ Peter: Fair enough and thanks for the link. I am far from a programmer so those things do tend to go over my head.

  • http://www.myspace.com/tricil tricil

    only 3 image line (not "most") plugs run on mac: Morphine, Poizone & Toxic (biohazard).

    exactly why i bought them. =)

  • poopoo

    DAW is a really lame and meaningless marketing acronym.

    Digital is redundant since you are referring to using your computer here. Did you ever refer to your tape deck as an "Analog Audio Workstation"?

    Workstation? It's software not a workstation. Why not call it an application or if you want to get fancy a "suite". Could you call your web-browser a "Digital Information Workstation" without sounding like a pretentious wanker?

    Perhaps they are trying to make a piece of software seem more tangible and substantial.

    Maybe the same thinking that says software synthesizers need to look like hardware and have rack ears and wooden end cheeks etc.

    Big love for Fruity Loops though. Nice to see it is still different when so much music software is becoming more samey.

  • http://celibacyclub.com celibacyclub

    what no mention of fruity dance?

    its a little green haired pixie that dances to your fl song, and has sequenceable dance moves.

    one of the funniest host plugins ive ever seen, along with the name "soundgoodizer" .. seems imageline isnt trying too hard to be taken seriously.

    slicex is pretty damed amazing though. a nice reason to return from ableton from time to time.

  • What?

    DAW, seems to me a simple phrase that lets the user know it's a complete music production environment. This brings me to the only other point I wanted to make…

    What are you guys on? FL Studio is more than capable of being your only DAW.

    It multi-track records audio (unlimited tracks). It edits audio. It records MIDI, it edits MIDI, it hosts VST and Dx, it has automation of just about every parameter. It has 32 bit float internal audio processing, it responds to MIDI etc etc etc.

    You can produce any type of music on it with very few limitations, other than your own limited imaginations. What it can't do, you can buy a VST plugin to fill the gap.

    I get the feeling that most of you have grown up in an era of mobile phones, fast-food and instant gratification. No imagination and no idea. So let me put this straight…

    There is no physical limitation to making a complete album with FL Studio. It happens every day somewhere in the world.

  • http://www.virb.com/febthaw Michael Hetrick

    I don't see the criticisms being accurate at all. I use FLStudio every day, and have been using it since version 3. I also have Live 7, Renoise 1.9, ProTools 7.3, and EnergyXT 1+2, but almost everything I make ends up being done in FL. With FL8, the good truly got better. The timeline and everything about it has been improved. The new instruments, effects, and plug-in browser are just icing on the cake.

    It's really the little details that I think make it superior. Edison's drag-and-drop button is killer, while SliceX's hidden piano roll shortcuts are beautiful. It really comes down to how much time you feel like putting into it.

    If you don't believe me, you can check my website, http://www.virb.com/febthaw . The song "Alcion" was the one finished most recently, and it only took about 4 hours to make in FL8, and only FL8.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    @"What?": I think the arguments are perfectly valid here — maybe you use FL with something else; maybe you use it alone.

    Right now, I want a few days with FL alone. And a cheeseburger, since you mentioned fast food. Mmmmm, cheeseburger.

  • http://www.i--x.net vvvoid

    <blockquote cite="Peter Kirn">You could live without FL itself

    Speak for yourself ;p I've made avery album for the past 8 years 99.9% in Fruity.

  • Athena

    Love FL. So unique, so flexible, so powerful but so fun at the same time. Shame it's so understimated. One of those rare programs that gets things done, but you also fall in love with it and really enjoy it like it was a toy or a game. Version 8 is awesome.

  • thomas norton

    It is what it is….dark ages tech support( no phone support)elitist attitude of the forum moderators..a lot of this due to the fact that they aren't musicans,hence their failure to include or see the reason for a " staff view"and overall just another application utilized by many for ripping off musicans,who actually play, write and record music.

  • http://www.thisisnotalabel.com evan

    @What:I don't have a problem with FL Studio's feature list. You certainly COULD use it as your only DAW (and I have… see Inevitable, Colors, He's a Boy (Remix) … and a few more here). My gripes are with FL Studio's general usability. The design and interface are so unique that it impinges on my ability to quickly get stuff done. This starts with the Playlist window, but includes a few other quirky GUI things (like the arbitrary limitations on the mixer).

    And FruityLoops was my first software DAW (just before version 3, I believe), so please don't rebut that I just don't know how to use it…

  • cebec

    @evan: your comments are solely your opinion. don't use it if you don't like it. there are plenty of 'released' artists who use FL Studio, solely. we are spoiled for choice so use what you like and leave the bashing or 'rebuttals' to the politicians.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    @cebec: but Evan does use it. I think complaining about the stuff we use — at least occasionally — is part of a grand tradition.

  • http://www.chronovalve.com/ Chronovalve

    I find FL Studio to be an amazing tool for the kind of music I make! All the songs and music for video on my website were done completely in FL. Very powerful – just add imagination. Can’t wait to try FL8! Do I have to sleep?

  • Support this!

    @ thomas norton

    What a laugh, you talk about ‘dark ages’ telephone support IS dark ages…the Image-Line tech-support boards answer most questions within a matter of hours.

    …the rest of what you say is unintelligible drivel, it’s not clear what your point is at all. Rip-off? You have to be joking they have lifetime free updates, far from rio-off.

    You are an idiot, troll, drunk or all three.

  • Kyran

    FL is kind of a mixed bag. It’s got tons of stuff spot on (the drag and drop, evelope editing, midi editing), but there’s also some stuff really fundamentally flawed (try to insert an fx, or worse, use multi out plugins). I tried tons of other hosts, ones I know got the quirky stuff of FL right, but after five seconds I think ‘eh, I can’t drag and drop that wave to this place?’ or ‘why is editing this automation curve so frustrating’ and I return to FL.

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  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Okay, no trolling — and no troll feeding.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

    Sorry, we're going to have to be a bit more aggressive about this. If you think a comment SHOULD have been approved and it's not here, comment me — could just be our spam system. But I'm also killing a couple of comments for their own good, because they're not relevant to the discussion.

    Disagreement rocks. Just keep it civil. And if someone isn't, just ignore them.

  • dom

    evan, i am also an extreemly experienced user of fl studio, i would just like to know what exactly can't you do in it as i have been able to complete all my track within fl studio without the need for another daw, therefore i think the very reasonable price is justified.

  • dom

    and kyran are you nuts? inserting an effect is a piece of cake, have you actually used fl studio properly?

    Honestly i get f'd off when people say fl studio can't do things, if you cant do somthing in fl studio then its your problem not the softwares.

  • Kyran

    How to insert an effect to a track in FL

    1. Select the generator

    2. Find the grey box with the keys on (not the gui of the plugin)

    3. click on the battery icon, select "link to free mixer track" or something similar (and pray it doesn't get routed onto a multiout track of some other plugin)

    4. open browser and drag the plugin to a slot in the mixer

    How to do it in live:

    1. drag plugin from the browser over the track

    conclusion: this often performed action FL is way more fidly than it should be. I know how it is done, I can do it fast, I know why it is the way it is, I never said it can't do certain this, I just said it's damn fiddly to do.

    And I can assure you that a whole lot of beginners do not figure out that they have to link the channel to the mixer first

    FL is a brilliant piece of kit, I've produced 90% of my tracks in it, but there's some really counterintuitive workflow in there (alongside the brilliant workflow parts)

  • http://www.default.com Steve

    DAW is a Digital Audio Workstation, and if would be ridiculous for an entire marketing campaign to change this standard nomenclature while Image-Line is making every effort to grow in the industry despite discrimination amongst audiophiles because of it's name.

    Did you honestly NOT know what a Digital Audio Workstation is?! Who are you?

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  • Ben Eve

    Hi everyone,

    I am new to music software and I'm enjoying the demo of FL Studio 8.0. Before I purchase it however, I have one pressing question which I hope one of you may be able to answer…

    Is it possible to import existing mp3 songs in order to remix them?

    I am eager to play around with a few songs to create my own mash-ups. If this is possible, a little instruction would be very much appreciated !

    Thanks very much, Ben

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  • Amen-Ra

    FL studio is an underdog. its an great program thats slept on. It comes with some good synths and plugins. Its sorta like playing a rpg. beating the game is cool but that not where the fun is. its in finding rare items and fighting hidden bosses. What im saying is It's when you start using other programs and effects in FL studio is when you find out how much of a beast the program is. Add some waves bundle and komplete 5 your good to go. Just like a car you got to hook it up right.

  • Wish the Cuttlefis

    I am new to FL Studio 7 and to digital recording all together. I like the way FL studio works, but I can see it has limitations. I am trying to find the best DAW (?) for the type of music I compose, which is pretty much pop, folk, R&R/R&B. FL Studio seems great for the drums, synth stuff, but I want to dump in my own guitar and vocals over these, and it seems to have issues there. I can do it, but its a bit klugy. Does version 8 solve some of those problems? For example, if I record a guitar part to .wav, and then dump it on top of a drum loop, the .wav always has to start from the beginning. I can't seem to start it in the middle of the track.

  • Otend

    to Celiba: I like that thingy too. It's a bit of motivation: "Come on, self, don't let FL-chan (its official name) down! Make a good track!" … Well, it's not entirely true, but it's fun to watch.

    Anyway, this program is pretty great. I've been debating between this and Live for a while now, but now that I've seen this program at its full potential, this is the one for me.

  • http://nil Landon

    i enjoy using your product for my personal music sound tracks. pls i will like to have a manual on how to make matured soundtract for production.

    thank you

  • Uncann

    the fing dat I love bout FL 8 iz so much choice an when you plug a keyboard into dat you can kick some serious ass unlimited possibilities it's all that you really need simple to use and encourages you to come up wiv some real revolutionary shit

  • Uncann

    yes on a previous note how bout some instructions on how to properlly record vocalz?

  • Carti

    hey everyone I've been working with fruity loops for the longest and i was wondering if anyone was willing to help me teach me a few more things about it my yahoo id is cartivuv and my aim is cartivuv711 hit me up and thanks

  • ali

    its so good i used befor for wwindows and i would like for mac thanks so much its great web

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  • DRad

    "Lifetime free updates" until Image Line change the name…

    Then they can reneg on their LEGAL promise again.

    i.e. all those who bought the original Fruity Loops, with 'Lifetime free updates', no longer got those 'Lifetime free updates' when Image Line decided to change the NAME to 'FLStudio', as if it was a different program – it wasn't.

  • http://yahoo adam yusuf

    i like music and would like to make my own with fl studio