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	<title>Comments on: Small and Light PCs About Ready for Mobile Music Making</title>
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		<title>By: Malachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 12:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonight, on my way home from work, I added some finishing touches to an arrangement I&#039;ve been working on with my Tabletkiosk UMPC.  Currently said project has 6 single shot sampler instances, 5 VSTi&#039;s (among them 2 instances of Blue and 1 Albino), 2 audio clips and 3 VST fx.  And still power to spare.  To spare everyone the need to look up the specs of my powerhouse, it has a 900MHz Celeron M processor and 1GB RAM.  Now, I only really use it as a sketch pad while I&#039;m wasting away on public transit, and it does the task quite amiably, in fact I&#039;ve worked on other projects of even greater complexity as concerns VST&#039;s.  So I&#039;m confused how a device with a faster dual core processor and greater amount of RAM is incapable of making music.  Could it be because I put pixies inside?  It&#039;s the pixies, isn&#039;t it?

I&#039;m with MonksDream, stability is the most important factor.  Everything else is worthless without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonight, on my way home from work, I added some finishing touches to an arrangement I&#8217;ve been working on with my Tabletkiosk UMPC.  Currently said project has 6 single shot sampler instances, 5 VSTi&#8217;s (among them 2 instances of Blue and 1 Albino), 2 audio clips and 3 VST fx.  And still power to spare.  To spare everyone the need to look up the specs of my powerhouse, it has a 900MHz Celeron M processor and 1GB RAM.  Now, I only really use it as a sketch pad while I&#8217;m wasting away on public transit, and it does the task quite amiably, in fact I&#8217;ve worked on other projects of even greater complexity as concerns VST&#8217;s.  So I&#8217;m confused how a device with a faster dual core processor and greater amount of RAM is incapable of making music.  Could it be because I put pixies inside?  It&#8217;s the pixies, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with MonksDream, stability is the most important factor.  Everything else is worthless without it.</p>
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		<title>By: zenzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>zenzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure this would run Reason 4 well enough, with power to spare.  Ableton, too, with Reason re-wired in.  My 4-year-old Thinkpad T41 1.6 Pentium M does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure this would run Reason 4 well enough, with power to spare.  Ableton, too, with Reason re-wired in.  My 4-year-old Thinkpad T41 1.6 Pentium M does.</p>
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		<title>By: phineus</title>
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		<dc:creator>phineus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>get a macbook - I used XP forever and finally broke down and got a previous version Macbook w the 2.2 Ghz and maxed the RAM - this thing just rocks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>get a macbook &#8211; I used XP forever and finally broke down and got a previous version Macbook w the 2.2 Ghz and maxed the RAM &#8211; this thing just rocks</p>
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		<title>By: MonksDream</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonksDream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of the foregoing about hard drive speed and CPU power. However the bigger issue is reliability. 

I&#039;ve been working exclusively on laptops, both PC and Mac, for years now. With a fast Firewire drive I&#039;ve rarely run into performance bottlenecks that prevented me from doing what I needed to do. I wish I could say the same about OS, software and peripheral performance.

I&#039;m trying to replace my keyboard rig with a single keyboard and a laptop. I&#039;ve had some success but disappearing interfaces, software hiccups, and OS weirdness and such seem to be par for the course with ANY computer solution.

I&#039;d happily trade bleeding-edge processing power for a computer-based system that&#039;s as stable as a 15 year old Roland keyboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the foregoing about hard drive speed and CPU power. However the bigger issue is reliability. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working exclusively on laptops, both PC and Mac, for years now. With a fast Firewire drive I&#8217;ve rarely run into performance bottlenecks that prevented me from doing what I needed to do. I wish I could say the same about OS, software and peripheral performance.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to replace my keyboard rig with a single keyboard and a laptop. I&#8217;ve had some success but disappearing interfaces, software hiccups, and OS weirdness and such seem to be par for the course with ANY computer solution.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d happily trade bleeding-edge processing power for a computer-based system that&#8217;s as stable as a 15 year old Roland keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/28/small-and-light-pcs-about-ready-for-mobile-music-making/comment-page-1/#comment-457307</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, absolutely -- the bottleneck here is not the CPU; it&#039;s the hard drive. And other issues, while important to performance, are not necessarily going to be make/break.

But to me the real deal-breaker remains price. From Lenovo, for instance, you can get a really terrific machine for about $800, and it&#039;d be perfectly capable of live recording and performance. Maybe not a desktop replacement, necessarily, but a good mobile machine. I find that I usually pare down what I&#039;m doing on mobile for *musical* reasons before I run out of machine capabilities, anyway.

In fairness, I&#039;d have to be really into light and thin to pay twice as much for a couple of pounds in weight. But as I said, this shows you where things are going in terms of miniaturization, power, and heat (meaning noise, too), and whereas the &quot;subnotebook&quot; was a separate class a couple of years ago, now I think it really does indicate what&#039;s happening with mainstream machines, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, absolutely &#8212; the bottleneck here is not the CPU; it&#8217;s the hard drive. And other issues, while important to performance, are not necessarily going to be make/break.</p>
<p>But to me the real deal-breaker remains price. From Lenovo, for instance, you can get a really terrific machine for about $800, and it&#8217;d be perfectly capable of live recording and performance. Maybe not a desktop replacement, necessarily, but a good mobile machine. I find that I usually pare down what I&#8217;m doing on mobile for *musical* reasons before I run out of machine capabilities, anyway.</p>
<p>In fairness, I&#8217;d have to be really into light and thin to pay twice as much for a couple of pounds in weight. But as I said, this shows you where things are going in terms of miniaturization, power, and heat (meaning noise, too), and whereas the &#8220;subnotebook&#8221; was a separate class a couple of years ago, now I think it really does indicate what&#8217;s happening with mainstream machines, too.</p>
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		<title>By: protman</title>
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		<dc:creator>protman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been rocking a little 12&quot; lenovo v200 running ubuntu studio and I am super happy. They keyboard is so very tactile and made for human use. $700. 1.5ghz core2 duo. 2gb. 

Here is my first track made on it using only an sk1 drumkit (i was anxious and didnt have my samplebase handy):
http://protman.com/content/protman-130bricked

I can&#039;t say that I&#039;ve ever even come close to overloading the cpu on a laptop while using ableton and many VSTs; possibly hard drive caching issues from time to time. I actually had my finger on the button for one of those new aluminum HP minis on thinkgeek the other night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been rocking a little 12&#8243; lenovo v200 running ubuntu studio and I am super happy. They keyboard is so very tactile and made for human use. $700. 1.5ghz core2 duo. 2gb. </p>
<p>Here is my first track made on it using only an sk1 drumkit (i was anxious and didnt have my samplebase handy):<br />
<a href="http://protman.com/content/protman-130bricked" rel="nofollow">http://protman.com/content/protman-130bricked</a></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;ve ever even come close to overloading the cpu on a laptop while using ableton and many VSTs; possibly hard drive caching issues from time to time. I actually had my finger on the button for one of those new aluminum HP minis on thinkgeek the other night.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/28/small-and-light-pcs-about-ready-for-mobile-music-making/comment-page-1/#comment-457185</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are all fair points, but I do think we&#039;re exaggerating the gap a bit. @mediawest -- one or two VSTs on a laptop? What laptop are you using, seriously? I&#039;ve run some pretty involved setups on my laptop machines. Also, I can benchmark this last-generation desktop I&#039;m on at the moment (dual-core AMD) against the current dual-core Intel mobile chips. The latter are significantly faster.

Everything else being said here about bottlenecks is absolutely correct, and desktops remain faster than laptops, but there is quite a lot you can do with music production on the current-gen laptop.

I do agree, though, there are a lot of unknowns on this IdeaPad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are all fair points, but I do think we&#8217;re exaggerating the gap a bit. @mediawest &#8212; one or two VSTs on a laptop? What laptop are you using, seriously? I&#8217;ve run some pretty involved setups on my laptop machines. Also, I can benchmark this last-generation desktop I&#8217;m on at the moment (dual-core AMD) against the current dual-core Intel mobile chips. The latter are significantly faster.</p>
<p>Everything else being said here about bottlenecks is absolutely correct, and desktops remain faster than laptops, but there is quite a lot you can do with music production on the current-gen laptop.</p>
<p>I do agree, though, there are a lot of unknowns on this IdeaPad.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyHorizon</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnnyHorizon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lenovo IdeaPad is NOT a ThinkPad.  Even though IBM sold the ThinkPad line to Lenovo, there is big difference between the ThinkPad-branded models and the rest of the Lenovo models.

Many other things can interfere with a laptop&#039;s low-latency performance (like SMM issues and power management features).  I wish there was a way to know this before buying a laptop...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lenovo IdeaPad is NOT a ThinkPad.  Even though IBM sold the ThinkPad line to Lenovo, there is big difference between the ThinkPad-branded models and the rest of the Lenovo models.</p>
<p>Many other things can interfere with a laptop&#8217;s low-latency performance (like SMM issues and power management features).  I wish there was a way to know this before buying a laptop&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mediawest</title>
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		<dc:creator>mediawest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as someone who does film and tv sessions here in hollywoodland, i have tried many different laptops to run protools le and my virtual instruments. 
sorry, the laptop even maxed out is too slow to really to a pro job.   i wish i could take even my high end mac laptop, but my workstations eat any laptop for lunch. unless you only need to run one or two vst or rtas VI&#039;s.....  even my older duo cores desktops will do a better job than any laptop.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as someone who does film and tv sessions here in hollywoodland, i have tried many different laptops to run protools le and my virtual instruments.<br />
sorry, the laptop even maxed out is too slow to really to a pro job.   i wish i could take even my high end mac laptop, but my workstations eat any laptop for lunch. unless you only need to run one or two vst or rtas VI&#8217;s&#8230;..  even my older duo cores desktops will do a better job than any laptop&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: gwenhwyfaer</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwenhwyfaer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex raises a good point. However did anyone make music with computers a few years ago, before any technology could touch the specs of this laptop? They must have had some kind of freaky alien technology!

...or, you know, &lt;i&gt;talent and imagination&lt;/i&gt;. Sorry Alex, but the quality of your music doesn&#039;t improve with the speed of your laptop... if anything, the relationship is inverse. Anyone who says these machines are &quot;useless for music&quot; is frankly talking out of their arse - &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; might not be able to cope with the limitations, but many, many people won&#039;t even &lt;i&gt;see&lt;/i&gt; the limitations, and will really appreciate the form factor.

Wouldn&#039;t it be nice if every time someone posted a comment saying &quot;X is useless for Y&quot; (when in fact the only thing they are qualified to say is &quot;I don&#039;t have any interest in even checking how useful X might be for Y&quot;) they were required to donate $50 to the forum on which they posted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex raises a good point. However did anyone make music with computers a few years ago, before any technology could touch the specs of this laptop? They must have had some kind of freaky alien technology!</p>
<p>&#8230;or, you know, <i>talent and imagination</i>. Sorry Alex, but the quality of your music doesn&#8217;t improve with the speed of your laptop&#8230; if anything, the relationship is inverse. Anyone who says these machines are &#8220;useless for music&#8221; is frankly talking out of their arse &#8211; <i>they</i> might not be able to cope with the limitations, but many, many people won&#8217;t even <i>see</i> the limitations, and will really appreciate the form factor.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if every time someone posted a comment saying &#8220;X is useless for Y&#8221; (when in fact the only thing they are qualified to say is &#8220;I don&#8217;t have any interest in even checking how useful X might be for Y&#8221;) they were required to donate $50 to the forum on which they posted?</p>
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