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	<title>Comments on: Small and Light PCs About Ready for Mobile Music Making</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 22:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Malachi</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/28/small-and-light-pcs-about-ready-for-mobile-music-making/#comment-470717</link>
		<dc:creator>Malachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 12:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonight, on my way home from work, I added some finishing touches to an arrangement I've been working on with my Tabletkiosk UMPC.  Currently said project has 6 single shot sampler instances, 5 VSTi's (among them 2 instances of Blue and 1 Albino), 2 audio clips and 3 VST fx.  And still power to spare.  To spare everyone the need to look up the specs of my powerhouse, it has a 900MHz Celeron M processor and 1GB RAM.  Now, I only really use it as a sketch pad while I'm wasting away on public transit, and it does the task quite amiably, in fact I've worked on other projects of even greater complexity as concerns VST's.  So I'm confused how a device with a faster dual core processor and greater amount of RAM is incapable of making music.  Could it be because I put pixies inside?  It's the pixies, isn't it?

I'm with MonksDream, stability is the most important factor.  Everything else is worthless without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonight, on my way home from work, I added some finishing touches to an arrangement I&#8217;ve been working on with my Tabletkiosk UMPC.  Currently said project has 6 single shot sampler instances, 5 VSTi&#8217;s (among them 2 instances of Blue and 1 Albino), 2 audio clips and 3 VST fx.  And still power to spare.  To spare everyone the need to look up the specs of my powerhouse, it has a 900MHz Celeron M processor and 1GB RAM.  Now, I only really use it as a sketch pad while I&#8217;m wasting away on public transit, and it does the task quite amiably, in fact I&#8217;ve worked on other projects of even greater complexity as concerns VST&#8217;s.  So I&#8217;m confused how a device with a faster dual core processor and greater amount of RAM is incapable of making music.  Could it be because I put pixies inside?  It&#8217;s the pixies, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with MonksDream, stability is the most important factor.  Everything else is worthless without it.</p>
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		<title>By: zenzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>zenzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sure this would run Reason 4 well enough, with power to spare.  Ableton, too, with Reason re-wired in.  My 4-year-old Thinkpad T41 1.6 Pentium M does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure this would run Reason 4 well enough, with power to spare.  Ableton, too, with Reason re-wired in.  My 4-year-old Thinkpad T41 1.6 Pentium M does.</p>
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		<title>By: phineus</title>
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		<dc:creator>phineus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>get a macbook - I used XP forever and finally broke down and got a previous version Macbook w the 2.2 Ghz and maxed the RAM - this thing just rocks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>get a macbook - I used XP forever and finally broke down and got a previous version Macbook w the 2.2 Ghz and maxed the RAM - this thing just rocks</p>
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		<title>By: MonksDream</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/28/small-and-light-pcs-about-ready-for-mobile-music-making/#comment-457367</link>
		<dc:creator>MonksDream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of the foregoing about hard drive speed and CPU power. However the bigger issue is reliability. 

I've been working exclusively on laptops, both PC and Mac, for years now. With a fast Firewire drive I've rarely run into performance bottlenecks that prevented me from doing what I needed to do. I wish I could say the same about OS, software and peripheral performance.

I'm trying to replace my keyboard rig with a single keyboard and a laptop. I've had some success but disappearing interfaces, software hiccups, and OS weirdness and such seem to be par for the course with ANY computer solution.

I'd happily trade bleeding-edge processing power for a computer-based system that's as stable as a 15 year old Roland keyboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the foregoing about hard drive speed and CPU power. However the bigger issue is reliability. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working exclusively on laptops, both PC and Mac, for years now. With a fast Firewire drive I&#8217;ve rarely run into performance bottlenecks that prevented me from doing what I needed to do. I wish I could say the same about OS, software and peripheral performance.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to replace my keyboard rig with a single keyboard and a laptop. I&#8217;ve had some success but disappearing interfaces, software hiccups, and OS weirdness and such seem to be par for the course with ANY computer solution.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d happily trade bleeding-edge processing power for a computer-based system that&#8217;s as stable as a 15 year old Roland keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/28/small-and-light-pcs-about-ready-for-mobile-music-making/#comment-457307</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, absolutely -- the bottleneck here is not the CPU; it's the hard drive. And other issues, while important to performance, are not necessarily going to be make/break.

But to me the real deal-breaker remains price. From Lenovo, for instance, you can get a really terrific machine for about $800, and it'd be perfectly capable of live recording and performance. Maybe not a desktop replacement, necessarily, but a good mobile machine. I find that I usually pare down what I'm doing on mobile for *musical* reasons before I run out of machine capabilities, anyway.

In fairness, I'd have to be really into light and thin to pay twice as much for a couple of pounds in weight. But as I said, this shows you where things are going in terms of miniaturization, power, and heat (meaning noise, too), and whereas the "subnotebook" was a separate class a couple of years ago, now I think it really does indicate what's happening with mainstream machines, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, absolutely &#8212; the bottleneck here is not the CPU; it&#8217;s the hard drive. And other issues, while important to performance, are not necessarily going to be make/break.</p>
<p>But to me the real deal-breaker remains price. From Lenovo, for instance, you can get a really terrific machine for about $800, and it&#8217;d be perfectly capable of live recording and performance. Maybe not a desktop replacement, necessarily, but a good mobile machine. I find that I usually pare down what I&#8217;m doing on mobile for *musical* reasons before I run out of machine capabilities, anyway.</p>
<p>In fairness, I&#8217;d have to be really into light and thin to pay twice as much for a couple of pounds in weight. But as I said, this shows you where things are going in terms of miniaturization, power, and heat (meaning noise, too), and whereas the &#8220;subnotebook&#8221; was a separate class a couple of years ago, now I think it really does indicate what&#8217;s happening with mainstream machines, too.</p>
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		<title>By: protman</title>
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		<dc:creator>protman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been rocking a little 12" lenovo v200 running ubuntu studio and I am super happy. They keyboard is so very tactile and made for human use. $700. 1.5ghz core2 duo. 2gb. 

Here is my first track made on it using only an sk1 drumkit (i was anxious and didnt have my samplebase handy):
http://protman.com/content/protman-130bricked

I can't say that I've ever even come close to overloading the cpu on a laptop while using ableton and many VSTs; possibly hard drive caching issues from time to time. I actually had my finger on the button for one of those new aluminum HP minis on thinkgeek the other night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been rocking a little 12&#8243; lenovo v200 running ubuntu studio and I am super happy. They keyboard is so very tactile and made for human use. $700. 1.5ghz core2 duo. 2gb. </p>
<p>Here is my first track made on it using only an sk1 drumkit (i was anxious and didnt have my samplebase handy):<br />
<a href="http://protman.com/content/protman-130bricked" rel="nofollow">http://protman.com/content/protman-130bricked</a></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;ve ever even come close to overloading the cpu on a laptop while using ableton and many VSTs; possibly hard drive caching issues from time to time. I actually had my finger on the button for one of those new aluminum HP minis on thinkgeek the other night.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/28/small-and-light-pcs-about-ready-for-mobile-music-making/#comment-457185</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are all fair points, but I do think we're exaggerating the gap a bit. @mediawest -- one or two VSTs on a laptop? What laptop are you using, seriously? I've run some pretty involved setups on my laptop machines. Also, I can benchmark this last-generation desktop I'm on at the moment (dual-core AMD) against the current dual-core Intel mobile chips. The latter are significantly faster.

Everything else being said here about bottlenecks is absolutely correct, and desktops remain faster than laptops, but there is quite a lot you can do with music production on the current-gen laptop.

I do agree, though, there are a lot of unknowns on this IdeaPad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are all fair points, but I do think we&#8217;re exaggerating the gap a bit. @mediawest &#8212; one or two VSTs on a laptop? What laptop are you using, seriously? I&#8217;ve run some pretty involved setups on my laptop machines. Also, I can benchmark this last-generation desktop I&#8217;m on at the moment (dual-core AMD) against the current dual-core Intel mobile chips. The latter are significantly faster.</p>
<p>Everything else being said here about bottlenecks is absolutely correct, and desktops remain faster than laptops, but there is quite a lot you can do with music production on the current-gen laptop.</p>
<p>I do agree, though, there are a lot of unknowns on this IdeaPad.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyHorizon</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnnyHorizon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lenovo IdeaPad is NOT a ThinkPad.  Even though IBM sold the ThinkPad line to Lenovo, there is big difference between the ThinkPad-branded models and the rest of the Lenovo models.

Many other things can interfere with a laptop's low-latency performance (like SMM issues and power management features).  I wish there was a way to know this before buying a laptop...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lenovo IdeaPad is NOT a ThinkPad.  Even though IBM sold the ThinkPad line to Lenovo, there is big difference between the ThinkPad-branded models and the rest of the Lenovo models.</p>
<p>Many other things can interfere with a laptop&#8217;s low-latency performance (like SMM issues and power management features).  I wish there was a way to know this before buying a laptop&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mediawest</title>
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		<dc:creator>mediawest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as someone who does film and tv sessions here in hollywoodland, i have tried many different laptops to run protools le and my virtual instruments. 
sorry, the laptop even maxed out is too slow to really to a pro job.   i wish i could take even my high end mac laptop, but my workstations eat any laptop for lunch. unless you only need to run one or two vst or rtas VI's.....  even my older duo cores desktops will do a better job than any laptop.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as someone who does film and tv sessions here in hollywoodland, i have tried many different laptops to run protools le and my virtual instruments.<br />
sorry, the laptop even maxed out is too slow to really to a pro job.   i wish i could take even my high end mac laptop, but my workstations eat any laptop for lunch. unless you only need to run one or two vst or rtas VI&#8217;s&#8230;..  even my older duo cores desktops will do a better job than any laptop&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: gwenhwyfaer</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwenhwyfaer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex raises a good point. However did anyone make music with computers a few years ago, before any technology could touch the specs of this laptop? They must have had some kind of freaky alien technology!

...or, you know, &lt;i&gt;talent and imagination&lt;/i&gt;. Sorry Alex, but the quality of your music doesn't improve with the speed of your laptop... if anything, the relationship is inverse. Anyone who says these machines are "useless for music" is frankly talking out of their arse - &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; might not be able to cope with the limitations, but many, many people won't even &lt;i&gt;see&lt;/i&gt; the limitations, and will really appreciate the form factor.

Wouldn't it be nice if every time someone posted a comment saying "X is useless for Y" (when in fact the only thing they are qualified to say is "I don't have any interest in even checking how useful X might be for Y") they were required to donate $50 to the forum on which they posted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex raises a good point. However did anyone make music with computers a few years ago, before any technology could touch the specs of this laptop? They must have had some kind of freaky alien technology!</p>
<p>&#8230;or, you know, <i>talent and imagination</i>. Sorry Alex, but the quality of your music doesn&#8217;t improve with the speed of your laptop&#8230; if anything, the relationship is inverse. Anyone who says these machines are &#8220;useless for music&#8221; is frankly talking out of their arse - <i>they</i> might not be able to cope with the limitations, but many, many people won&#8217;t even <i>see</i> the limitations, and will really appreciate the form factor.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if every time someone posted a comment saying &#8220;X is useless for Y&#8221; (when in fact the only thing they are qualified to say is &#8220;I don&#8217;t have any interest in even checking how useful X might be for Y&#8221;) they were required to donate $50 to the forum on which they posted?</p>
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