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	<title>Comments on: Record Sales Up &#8212; No, Really, Actual Records</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jay Newhouse</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/29/record-sales-up-no-really-actual-records/#comment-461221</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Newhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 18:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Peter the truth is mostly mainstream (IE RIAA music) is increasing in vinyl sales.  Most underground independent electronic music (what most DJs spin) has actually DECREASED 20-40 percent in sales this year (thanks to beatport and other digital download sites).

In the underground, vinyl is struggling in the US.  Quite a few distros have gone out of business in the past few years, with no one picking them up (which means some labels are very hard to find in the US).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Peter the truth is mostly mainstream (IE RIAA music) is increasing in vinyl sales.  Most underground independent electronic music (what most DJs spin) has actually DECREASED 20-40 percent in sales this year (thanks to beatport and other digital download sites).</p>
<p>In the underground, vinyl is struggling in the US.  Quite a few distros have gone out of business in the past few years, with no one picking them up (which means some labels are very hard to find in the US).</p>
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		<title>By: infobong.com &#187; linkdump for 2008.05.01</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/29/record-sales-up-no-really-actual-records/#comment-459459</link>
		<dc:creator>infobong.com &#187; linkdump for 2008.05.01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 19:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Create Digital Music: Record Sales Up — No, Really, Actual Records Vinyl LPs appear to be the only segment of the physical music business that is growing. I suspect music fans prefer the tactility and size of the LP format. (del.icio.us tags: business music technology vinyl) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Create Digital Music: Record Sales Up — No, Really, Actual Records Vinyl LPs appear to be the only segment of the physical music business that is growing. I suspect music fans prefer the tactility and size of the LP format. (del.icio.us tags: business music technology vinyl) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dead_red_eyes</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/29/record-sales-up-no-really-actual-records/#comment-459225</link>
		<dc:creator>dead_red_eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We're going to offer a free mp3 download with a vinyl purchase. I'm happy to see that more people/labels are doing that now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re going to offer a free mp3 download with a vinyl purchase. I&#8217;m happy to see that more people/labels are doing that now.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/29/record-sales-up-no-really-actual-records/#comment-458702</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here you go ... here's the opposite direction.

http://www.turntablelab.com/vinyl/149/627/44702.html

Buy vinyl Portishead, get MP3 free.

This solves the archive/backup issue, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here you go &#8230; here&#8217;s the opposite direction.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.turntablelab.com/vinyl/149/627/44702.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.turntablelab.com/vinyl/149/627/44702.html</a></p>
<p>Buy vinyl Portishead, get MP3 free.</p>
<p>This solves the archive/backup issue, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Sizzurp Sippa</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/29/record-sales-up-no-really-actual-records/#comment-458422</link>
		<dc:creator>Sizzurp Sippa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I would have to take issue with the “CDs are more robust than records” claim, though; CDs have proved to be less robust than originally anticipated.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A CD can be flawlessly copied. Assuming I am good about backing up my data, once I have music in a non-DRM digital form it is never going away.

The CDs that I have, that are of music I would be unlikely to ever find if it was lost/destroyed, have been ripped and stored on several backup hard drives that I have. Every few years I will upgrade a backup drive, and so assuming my house isn't burned down or everything is stolen, there isn't a nuclear explosion EMP attack, or some sort of worse case scenario (a scenario that would be far worse than losing my music), my music will be around for a long time.

On the other hand, ripping my old records is a pain in the ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I would have to take issue with the “CDs are more robust than records” claim, though; CDs have proved to be less robust than originally anticipated.</p></blockquote>
<p>A CD can be flawlessly copied. Assuming I am good about backing up my data, once I have music in a non-DRM digital form it is never going away.</p>
<p>The CDs that I have, that are of music I would be unlikely to ever find if it was lost/destroyed, have been ripped and stored on several backup hard drives that I have. Every few years I will upgrade a backup drive, and so assuming my house isn&#8217;t burned down or everything is stolen, there isn&#8217;t a nuclear explosion EMP attack, or some sort of worse case scenario (a scenario that would be far worse than losing my music), my music will be around for a long time.</p>
<p>On the other hand, ripping my old records is a pain in the ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/29/record-sales-up-no-really-actual-records/#comment-458337</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long live vinyl! Pleasantly surprised to hear that sales are going up. I learned at the digital music forum in NY last month that USB turntables were very popular amongst college students. Maybe that has to do with the flux in sales. 

&lt;a href="http://www.MixMatchMusic.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;MixMatchMusic.com&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;a href="http://evolvingmusic.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;.Evolving Musi.&lt;/a&gt; -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long live vinyl! Pleasantly surprised to hear that sales are going up. I learned at the digital music forum in NY last month that USB turntables were very popular amongst college students. Maybe that has to do with the flux in sales. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.MixMatchMusic.com" rel="nofollow">MixMatchMusic.com</a><br />
<a href="http://evolvingmusic.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">.Evolving Musi.</a> -</p>
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		<title>By: HeartPound</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/04/29/record-sales-up-no-really-actual-records/#comment-458330</link>
		<dc:creator>HeartPound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"about the vinyl: audiophiles among others, prefer the vinyl than the CD, ’cause the dynamic is much much better. And i agree with them, especially on percussions (and that’s why it’s so good on techno !)"

I hate to go down this road, but this is empirically false. Vinyl may sound better to your ears, but records actually allow for less dynamic range than CDs due to the way that they're produced. Vinyl isn't more accurate, either: in fact, the reason that people react well to the sound of vinyl is because of the imperfections it introduces into the sound.

That having been said, I do agree that those imperfections can be aurally pleasing. The imperfections analog audio devices introduce are the reason for all of the effort that's put into hardware modeling -- while digital audio allows for perfect replication of a recording, we often prefer colored sound to the pristine sound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;about the vinyl: audiophiles among others, prefer the vinyl than the CD, ’cause the dynamic is much much better. And i agree with them, especially on percussions (and that’s why it’s so good on techno !)&#8221;</p>
<p>I hate to go down this road, but this is empirically false. Vinyl may sound better to your ears, but records actually allow for less dynamic range than CDs due to the way that they&#8217;re produced. Vinyl isn&#8217;t more accurate, either: in fact, the reason that people react well to the sound of vinyl is because of the imperfections it introduces into the sound.</p>
<p>That having been said, I do agree that those imperfections can be aurally pleasing. The imperfections analog audio devices introduce are the reason for all of the effort that&#8217;s put into hardware modeling &#8212; while digital audio allows for perfect replication of a recording, we often prefer colored sound to the pristine sound.</p>
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		<title>By: zenzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>zenzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not a DJ; not a collector; not a capital-A Audiophile.  

Perhaps it's just me, but with all my digital music now resident on a 1 TB drive, my listening used to consist of a couple of hours of jumping from song to song, playing bits of each like an aural smorgasbord.  That approach has it's charms, but... I've been buying used vinyl recently (&#60;$5 each), which I play on a decommissioned DJ SL1200.  I just love the dusting ritual and how it makes me slow down and listen to music the way I used to: all the way through! 

If more gets released on vinyl, I'm hoping the prices will also come down.  Which is weird because, adjusted for inflation, the price of new vinyl is probably less than it was 20-25 years ago IIRC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a DJ; not a collector; not a capital-A Audiophile.  </p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s just me, but with all my digital music now resident on a 1 TB drive, my listening used to consist of a couple of hours of jumping from song to song, playing bits of each like an aural smorgasbord.  That approach has it&#8217;s charms, but&#8230; I&#8217;ve been buying used vinyl recently (&lt;$5 each), which I play on a decommissioned DJ SL1200.  I just love the dusting ritual and how it makes me slow down and listen to music the way I used to: all the way through! </p>
<p>If more gets released on vinyl, I&#8217;m hoping the prices will also come down.  Which is weird because, adjusted for inflation, the price of new vinyl is probably less than it was 20-25 years ago IIRC.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not *advocating* vinyl by any means -- but it's worth noting these legitimate differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not *advocating* vinyl by any means &#8212; but it&#8217;s worth noting these legitimate differences.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know, Sizzurp, I think there are some people who still purchase records and play them, making a fourth category, albeit with some overlap for the other other three. And there are definitely audiophiles with hi-fi systems that aren't $50k. But of course it's a niche.

I would have to take issue with the "CDs are more robust than records" claim, though; CDs have proved to be less robust than originally anticipated. And unlike records, CDs don't degrade gracefully; as a digital medium, they'll just cease to work altogether (or skip uncontrollably). Downloads fare better, but you'd better have an offsite backup plan. ;) Online storage should make this picture much, much better. But CDs and plastic in general are going to be a huge problem for archivists and history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, Sizzurp, I think there are some people who still purchase records and play them, making a fourth category, albeit with some overlap for the other other three. And there are definitely audiophiles with hi-fi systems that aren&#8217;t $50k. But of course it&#8217;s a niche.</p>
<p>I would have to take issue with the &#8220;CDs are more robust than records&#8221; claim, though; CDs have proved to be less robust than originally anticipated. And unlike records, CDs don&#8217;t degrade gracefully; as a digital medium, they&#8217;ll just cease to work altogether (or skip uncontrollably). Downloads fare better, but you&#8217;d better have an offsite backup plan. ;) Online storage should make this picture much, much better. But CDs and plastic in general are going to be a huge problem for archivists and history.</p>
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