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	<title>Comments on: Digital DJ Controllers: A Hybrid Numark Turntable, Stanton Sans Vinyl</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: coolout</title>
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		<dc:creator>coolout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a working DJ, the problem for me isn't controllers...it's the fact that laptops are the most fragile part of the chain. 

I've spent way too much time worrying about the safety and security of my laptop and external hard drive at  gigs.    

What i'd like to see is a hardware media player that reads timecode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a working DJ, the problem for me isn&#8217;t controllers&#8230;it&#8217;s the fact that laptops are the most fragile part of the chain. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent way too much time worrying about the safety and security of my laptop and external hard drive at  gigs.    </p>
<p>What i&#8217;d like to see is a hardware media player that reads timecode.</p>
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		<title>By: Damon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 00:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Personally, I love this"

Agreed, I have never yet caught the DJ bug, but this kind of thing makes me want to consider how such a thing  could be used in the context of music production. Personally, I am wondering if such a turn table could be the ultimate automation improvisational tool. Maybe this is something everyone already does, but I have not been aware of this.

Blessings,
Damon

Ps.
Share a trick, to invite 10 more fresh tricks into your quiver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Personally, I love this&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed, I have never yet caught the DJ bug, but this kind of thing makes me want to consider how such a thing  could be used in the context of music production. Personally, I am wondering if such a turn table could be the ultimate automation improvisational tool. Maybe this is something everyone already does, but I have not been aware of this.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Damon</p>
<p>Ps.<br />
Share a trick, to invite 10 more fresh tricks into your quiver.</p>
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		<title>By: Sizzurp Sippa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sizzurp Sippa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just wondering about something:

Once you get to the point of investing in a certain amount of specialized controllers, laptops, etc., and the new skills to use them, how much harder is it to just perform your own tracks live?

There was something very simply an elegant about two turntables and a mixer... and they were always cheaper than music gear back in the day... but now with dirt cheap laptops, midi controllers, grooveboxes, etc., if you aren't going to keep it old school with the vinyl, why not go 100% out and create your own tracks?

&lt;blockquote&gt;I defy anyone to watch the movie “Scratch” and then say that turntablism isn’t an art worth preserving.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Turntablism is most definitely an art worth preserving, in the same way playing jazz saxophone is an art worth preserving.

At one time though, turntables were the cheapest and easiest way for some young kid to go out and rock music... since records and turntables were the ubiquitous technology of their day. Turntablism was all about underground youth culture and enpowerment... they didn't fetishize the turntables, they were simply the best and cheapest technology available at the time.

But nowadays, laptops and mp3s are the ubiquitous technology among youth. Turntablists are more and more like virtuoso jazz musicians, very talented and still making great sounds, but no longer relevant in that rebellious underground youth-culture sort of way.

Turntablism has become the realm of respectable adults. Q-Bert is 40 years old, and people are doing tasteful documentaries like Scratch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just wondering about something:</p>
<p>Once you get to the point of investing in a certain amount of specialized controllers, laptops, etc., and the new skills to use them, how much harder is it to just perform your own tracks live?</p>
<p>There was something very simply an elegant about two turntables and a mixer&#8230; and they were always cheaper than music gear back in the day&#8230; but now with dirt cheap laptops, midi controllers, grooveboxes, etc., if you aren&#8217;t going to keep it old school with the vinyl, why not go 100% out and create your own tracks?</p>
<blockquote><p>I defy anyone to watch the movie “Scratch” and then say that turntablism isn’t an art worth preserving.</p></blockquote>
<p>Turntablism is most definitely an art worth preserving, in the same way playing jazz saxophone is an art worth preserving.</p>
<p>At one time though, turntables were the cheapest and easiest way for some young kid to go out and rock music&#8230; since records and turntables were the ubiquitous technology of their day. Turntablism was all about underground youth culture and enpowerment&#8230; they didn&#8217;t fetishize the turntables, they were simply the best and cheapest technology available at the time.</p>
<p>But nowadays, laptops and mp3s are the ubiquitous technology among youth. Turntablists are more and more like virtuoso jazz musicians, very talented and still making great sounds, but no longer relevant in that rebellious underground youth-culture sort of way.</p>
<p>Turntablism has become the realm of respectable adults. Q-Bert is 40 years old, and people are doing tasteful documentaries like Scratch.</p>
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		<title>By: beatfix</title>
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		<dc:creator>beatfix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite being a long-time vinyl DJ, I agree that vinyl doesn't make much practical sense as a means of mixing digital music.  But, there are compelling reasons why it persists.  

The physical technique of scratching and pitching records on a turntable is an art form that has evolved over decades, and there is no digital control system that has captured people's imagination yet in the same way.  

Partly this is because vinyl jocks had no choice but to work with turntables, whereas digital DJs have a nearly infinite number of options of how to manipulate their music.  There's no universal standard that everyone is trying to expand and perfect.

For all of us old-schoolers, there's a genuine reluctance to abandon the skills we developed over time.  Plus, there is a style to mixing on a turntable that is subtly but inescapably unique, and that style has rocked many a party over the years, so there's an institutional memory of good times.  I defy anyone to watch the movie "Scratch" and then say that turntablism isn't an art worth preserving.  Better yet, show me a DJ who mixes digital tracks in a manner that's one-eighth as entertaining as Q-bert.

Personally, I'm still waiting for a physical mixing technique that works with digital music, and takes the performing experience to a new level.  Knobs, faders, and buttons are efficient and effective, but they don't sing to me the same way that a well-executed backspin does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite being a long-time vinyl DJ, I agree that vinyl doesn&#8217;t make much practical sense as a means of mixing digital music.  But, there are compelling reasons why it persists.  </p>
<p>The physical technique of scratching and pitching records on a turntable is an art form that has evolved over decades, and there is no digital control system that has captured people&#8217;s imagination yet in the same way.  </p>
<p>Partly this is because vinyl jocks had no choice but to work with turntables, whereas digital DJs have a nearly infinite number of options of how to manipulate their music.  There&#8217;s no universal standard that everyone is trying to expand and perfect.</p>
<p>For all of us old-schoolers, there&#8217;s a genuine reluctance to abandon the skills we developed over time.  Plus, there is a style to mixing on a turntable that is subtly but inescapably unique, and that style has rocked many a party over the years, so there&#8217;s an institutional memory of good times.  I defy anyone to watch the movie &#8220;Scratch&#8221; and then say that turntablism isn&#8217;t an art worth preserving.  Better yet, show me a DJ who mixes digital tracks in a manner that&#8217;s one-eighth as entertaining as Q-bert.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m still waiting for a physical mixing technique that works with digital music, and takes the performing experience to a new level.  Knobs, faders, and buttons are efficient and effective, but they don&#8217;t sing to me the same way that a well-executed backspin does.</p>
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		<title>By: gbsr</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbsr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i find it funny that all of the sudden vinyl is all over the place, like its the new thing.
whats up with that?
"digital vinyling" if you wish, has been going on for a long time now, all of the sudden everyone is producing atleast one product that incorporates a vinyl platter and some knobs and/or buttons, like its a brand new technology that everybody wants and needs.

interesting that.
i blame the blogs for hyping it.
except cdm ofcourse ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find it funny that all of the sudden vinyl is all over the place, like its the new thing.<br />
whats up with that?<br />
&#8220;digital vinyling&#8221; if you wish, has been going on for a long time now, all of the sudden everyone is producing atleast one product that incorporates a vinyl platter and some knobs and/or buttons, like its a brand new technology that everybody wants and needs.</p>
<p>interesting that.<br />
i blame the blogs for hyping it.<br />
except cdm ofcourse ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Kicked Out The House</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kicked Out The House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Digital Vinyl...&lt;/strong&gt;

holding on to the vinyl paradigm for the newer generation of dance DJs is silly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Digital Vinyl&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>holding on to the vinyl paradigm for the newer generation of dance DJs is silly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fudduf</title>
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		<dc:creator>fudduf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 12:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it isn't, and most clubs i play at don't have any systems pre-installed.  unfortunately we won't really know where all this is headed long-term until a few more years on the battlefield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it isn&#8217;t, and most clubs i play at don&#8217;t have any systems pre-installed.  unfortunately we won&#8217;t really know where all this is headed long-term until a few more years on the battlefield.</p>
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		<title>By: nkem</title>
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		<dc:creator>nkem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 06:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this different from NI or m-audio for example? Don't they also integrate with a basic dj setup?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this different from NI or m-audio for example? Don&#8217;t they also integrate with a basic dj setup?</p>
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		<title>By: regend</title>
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		<dc:creator>regend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 05:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'd go with Serato. i recommend it because it integrates with the basic DJ setup. i can also make the argument that if you go to the majority of clubs in LA, Vegas, Chicago, Miami, NYC (where the real money is being made by glam dj's) Serato technology is already there...all you do is bring your laptop, needles, slipmats, and control vinyl, and plug in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;d go with Serato. i recommend it because it integrates with the basic DJ setup. i can also make the argument that if you go to the majority of clubs in LA, Vegas, Chicago, Miami, NYC (where the real money is being made by glam dj&#8217;s) Serato technology is already there&#8230;all you do is bring your laptop, needles, slipmats, and control vinyl, and plug in.</p>
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		<title>By: tobamai</title>
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		<dc:creator>tobamai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 05:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the real problem in getting a Numark X2 to send data straight to a computer as well as in getting more SCS.1d type controllers is lack of a standard. Midi works fine for the encoders, knobs, buttons, and drum pads... but even 14-bit midi doesn't provide nearly enough precise to be useful for scratching and fine speed adjustment.

It's the same problem the market has seen with timecoded vinyl: there is no standard, so company has put out their own records in hopes of "winning the market". If there was a standard timecode format, DVS's could focus on features and functionality instead of implementing their own DVS suite as a solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the real problem in getting a Numark X2 to send data straight to a computer as well as in getting more SCS.1d type controllers is lack of a standard. Midi works fine for the encoders, knobs, buttons, and drum pads&#8230; but even 14-bit midi doesn&#8217;t provide nearly enough precise to be useful for scratching and fine speed adjustment.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same problem the market has seen with timecoded vinyl: there is no standard, so company has put out their own records in hopes of &#8220;winning the market&#8221;. If there was a standard timecode format, DVS&#8217;s could focus on features and functionality instead of implementing their own DVS suite as a solution.</p>
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