Comments on: Leopard Audio Woes and Digidesign; 10.5.2 is a Lemon for Music?

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By: P.Frank

P.Frank — Wed, 28 May 2008 21:09:34 +0000

I must admit that I am a late comer to this blog, and I preface my next opinion with the understanding that people who have recently purchased a Mac are stuck with Leopard and are hosed, however, I have never understood people with working studios that are also early adopters. Usually the upside of updating is very minimal with a massive downside. I have a studio running PT 7.4 with an HD3 on 10.4.10 that is absolutely rock solid. If I update, I take the risk of not only taking out the core of my rig, but taking out some of my more esoteric plugs (Sonnox for example are technically supported but have had some dodgy reports). I update, I could break my business, and for what? A fancy new dock, a bunch of features I don’t need? I know larger studios still on Panther for this same reason. Don’t even get me started on the stupidity of updating to Vista. When Leopard hits mid generation (10.5.5 on) I might consider updating once I know every piece of hardware and software has proven drivers, but until then it’s just foolhardy. Can someone please explain to me the compulsive need to update, especially with Mac people? Although I do hope 10.5.3 fixes things for you guys.

By: Bjorn Vayner

Bjorn Vayner — Tue, 27 May 2008 14:09:19 +0000

List of upcoming fixes: http://apcmag.com/os_x_1053_about_to_hit.htm

By: Dave

Dave — Sun, 25 May 2008 07:54:46 +0000

I’m having similar problems running Tiger with pro tools HD 7.4 with the Magma expansion chasis.I cannot get this system to run at all.Any advice out there? so far Apple and digidesign have not been any help.

By: Mark Pauley

Mark Pauley — Sun, 25 May 2008 01:24:26 +0000

By all means, everybody should file bugs and complain to Apple Support about any and all problems you see. That being said, software is a very complicated thing… especially an Operating System. Pieces of the OS can combine and interfere in unexpected and catastrophic ways under some configurations. I personally feel like all hardware and software manufacturers (I’m looking at you NI) should just chill out on features for a bit and make their products rock solid.

Funny enough, I run Logic 8 and 10.5.2 on a macbook air and a dual G5 2.7ghz and absolutely love it on both. No issues on either platform with or without the AirPort enabled. The sound quality is amazing (MAJOR improvements to the CoreAudio bitrate conversion engine dramatically and demonstrably reduce aliasing in 10.5), and the whole general experience is so polished that I cannot imagine using any other DAW.

Most importantly Leopard comes with TimeMachine which is absolutely priceless. With Ed Ma (Edit of the GlitchMob) and Matthew Dear both having data-bearing components lifted right infront of their faces within the last 2 months, there can be no more evidence that all creative professionals should use the tested, transparent backup TimeMachine offers. Have you backed your data up recently? Maybe you should go back your data up now ;)

By: David

David — Sat, 24 May 2008 16:18:04 +0000

Tiger is solid as can be for me on my 8 core machine. I almost upgraded to Leopard (which I also unfortunately run on my MacBook Pro) thinking it would be a good move over the Memorial Day weekend, but I’m glad I didn’t. Leopard for me, so far, has been a step backward.

By: tricil

tricil — Sat, 24 May 2008 00:51:30 +0000

I’ve been idly considering a roll back, because my 10.5.2 machine was glitching using the _internal_ soundcard the other day during recording.

my options are 3:

1: sit and wait till 10.5.3
2. bootcamp XP and rock from there (gotta tweak that considering the KbdMgr causes many audio glitches… see the RME forum for “Boot Camp Audio”)
3. roll back to tiger

all day i’ve been pondering and I can’t bring myself to make a jump. The main hurdle is software re-authorization since that will involve some emails and waiting

By: Peter Kirn

Peter Kirn — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:21:41 +0000

@Eric: Because not everyone is as lucky as you are. :)

We’ve seen people with issues using other hosts (not just Pro Tools — including Apple’s own Logic), and other hardware (not just M-Audio / Digidesign). And we’ve seen official warnings from Native Instruments (not even relative to their own hardware, their software), and Serato (ditto). So, anecdotally, and in terms of what we’re hearing with manufacturers, what we’re hearing is that a significant number of people are having issues.

I think if any significant percentage of users are having problems for which there isn’t an easy fix, it’s worth saying, this isn’t something I can recommend.

By: ericdano

ericdano — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:16:05 +0000

Only piece of Audio software that does not work right for me is ProTools. Logic, Digital Performer……they work fine in 10.5.2. ProTools? On my MacPro 8 core, if you set the number of CPUs to 3, it works fine. I can run Altiverb on it, McDSP. No problems. On an iMac……..lots of problems (2006 iMac).

But if you are NOT using ProTools, I don’t see why one wouldn’t recommend 10.5.2. Just because M-Audio/Digidesign can’t get their ass in gear (have they ever???) doesn’t mean other companies can’t. MOTU I believe had driver and updates to DP within 2 weeks of 10.5 coming out.

Digidesign/M-Audio……..we are still waiting………..