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		<title>By: Disquiet &#187; tangents / 3 months of 4&#8242;33, mic&#8217;ing Marfa, three Martinez scores &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disquiet &#187; tangents / 3 months of 4&#8242;33, mic&#8217;ing Marfa, three Martinez scores &#8230;</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] dance mix on the a capella song. &#8230; BBC news of circa-1951 electronic music (bbc.co.uk, createdigitalmusic.com &#8212; thanks to the half dozen people who alerted me to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Damon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damon</dc:creator>
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		<description>And the DIY retro kit version will surely be relased shortly. Get your order in early.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the DIY retro kit version will surely be relased shortly. Get your order in early.</p>
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		<title>By: sasarasa88</title>
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		<dc:creator>sasarasa88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@scott flavin
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		<title>By: tomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, yes, Max M did have the idea with MUSIC I, but he also had the technology, with one of the first AD converters...  It was an inevitable development really.  The table-lookup oscillator, unit-generators and separating the score and instrument specification files were all strokes of genius.  But CSIRAC also had a music program which would take a separate score file by 1956 or so.

I'm not sure about the whole Synclavier and Fairlight thing.  I do know that the Fairlight wanted to use additive synthesis, but the quality was so crappy that they decided to record real sounds instead - it just tirned out to be a cool idea.  I don't know if Synclavier had the idea independently or subsequently to Fairlight.  Many similar things happen at about the same time in different places.  Like penicillin being developed simultaneously in different parts of the world.  And I thought that while the Synclavier was initially more expensive, eventually both of them were just very very expensive, but I don't know for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, yes, Max M did have the idea with MUSIC I, but he also had the technology, with one of the first AD converters&#8230;  It was an inevitable development really.  The table-lookup oscillator, unit-generators and separating the score and instrument specification files were all strokes of genius.  But CSIRAC also had a music program which would take a separate score file by 1956 or so.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about the whole Synclavier and Fairlight thing.  I do know that the Fairlight wanted to use additive synthesis, but the quality was so crappy that they decided to record real sounds instead - it just tirned out to be a cool idea.  I don&#8217;t know if Synclavier had the idea independently or subsequently to Fairlight.  Many similar things happen at about the same time in different places.  Like penicillin being developed simultaneously in different parts of the world.  And I thought that while the Synclavier was initially more expensive, eventually both of them were just very very expensive, but I don&#8217;t know for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tomson: Well said. I would still say that, even with a fixed waveform, Max basically had the idea at MUSIC I, even if it took until MUSIC III to flesh the rest out, but yes, MUSIC III finally looked more like Csound and modern digital synths. 

On a separate note -- I'm not actually sure about Wikipedia's version of the early history of the digital sampler. For one thing, the Fairlight CMI article claims that the Synclavier team only added sampling when they found out the Fairlight could do it. That *may* be the case, but when I last spoke with Jon Appleton from Dartmouth, I got the sense that they were basically developing the concept at the same time, and the Synclavier actually beat the Fairlight to market with a hard drive option. And regardless, there are some important citations missing there. (Hey, it's Wikipedia; that's the fun of it.) The short version of the story, of course -- as with the early computer pianola experiments -- is that various people were working toward similar goals, which is why "first" tends not to be meaningful outside record books.

The Synclavier was wildly expensive, yes. It was more like a custom/modular system than the Fairlight in that you could custom-order what you wanted, but yeah, still an order of magnitude beyond the Fairlight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tomson: Well said. I would still say that, even with a fixed waveform, Max basically had the idea at MUSIC I, even if it took until MUSIC III to flesh the rest out, but yes, MUSIC III finally looked more like Csound and modern digital synths. </p>
<p>On a separate note &#8212; I&#8217;m not actually sure about Wikipedia&#8217;s version of the early history of the digital sampler. For one thing, the Fairlight CMI article claims that the Synclavier team only added sampling when they found out the Fairlight could do it. That *may* be the case, but when I last spoke with Jon Appleton from Dartmouth, I got the sense that they were basically developing the concept at the same time, and the Synclavier actually beat the Fairlight to market with a hard drive option. And regardless, there are some important citations missing there. (Hey, it&#8217;s Wikipedia; that&#8217;s the fun of it.) The short version of the story, of course &#8212; as with the early computer pianola experiments &#8212; is that various people were working toward similar goals, which is why &#8220;first&#8221; tends not to be meaningful outside record books.</p>
<p>The Synclavier was wildly expensive, yes. It was more like a custom/modular system than the Fairlight in that you could custom-order what you wanted, but yeah, still an order of magnitude beyond the Fairlight.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] New Early Computer Music Discovered; What Was the First Digital Synth? - So, who gets the credit for the first digital synthesis? This particular recording doesn&#8217;t [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 05:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read the books carefully, CSIRAC played music before the Ferranti Mk 1 (the commercialised Baby) by at least a few months if not a year...  But it was never recorded, only meticulously reconstructed in about 2000.  So they do have the first _recording_ of a computer playing music.

But, being the first is not so important.  The Ferranti music was a curiosity.  With CSIRAC it was an early programming challenge, and it was used politically to try and save the project by popularising the computer.  Unfortunately neither had composers involved...  That's where Max Matthews and co. got it right.  They had a DAC, and did DSP, and then they got composers involved because as engineers they didn't know much about music...  

CSIRAC's sounds are a kind of digital synthesis, just not controllable with timbre, as it was feeding digital pulses from the buss to the speaker.  MUSIC I also had a fixed waveform for all synthesis.  MUSIC III did the real thing, and that was the real start of computer music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read the books carefully, CSIRAC played music before the Ferranti Mk 1 (the commercialised Baby) by at least a few months if not a year&#8230;  But it was never recorded, only meticulously reconstructed in about 2000.  So they do have the first _recording_ of a computer playing music.</p>
<p>But, being the first is not so important.  The Ferranti music was a curiosity.  With CSIRAC it was an early programming challenge, and it was used politically to try and save the project by popularising the computer.  Unfortunately neither had composers involved&#8230;  That&#8217;s where Max Matthews and co. got it right.  They had a DAC, and did DSP, and then they got composers involved because as engineers they didn&#8217;t know much about music&#8230;  </p>
<p>CSIRAC&#8217;s sounds are a kind of digital synthesis, just not controllable with timbre, as it was feeding digital pulses from the buss to the speaker.  MUSIC I also had a fixed waveform for all synthesis.  MUSIC III did the real thing, and that was the real start of computer music.</p>
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		<title>By: Bodhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bodhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An addendum: according to Wikipedia, the Synclavier was an order of magnitude more expensive than the Fairlight CMI!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An addendum: according to Wikipedia, the Synclavier was an order of magnitude more expensive than the Fairlight CMI!</p>
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		<title>By: Bodhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bodhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what i've just read about CSIRAC and the MUSIC system, I'd agree that the MUSIC I would be considered to be more of an actual synthesizer, whereas CSIRAC and Baby seem to be more electronic pianolas. But does it really matter who was first? Surely &lt;em&gt;how much&lt;/em&gt; of a contribution was made to electronic music is much more important! ;)

I'm also fascinated that after building a fantastical magic machine, ie. a computer in the '50s, one of the first things they did with it was get it to make some noise...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what i&#8217;ve just read about CSIRAC and the MUSIC system, I&#8217;d agree that the MUSIC I would be considered to be more of an actual synthesizer, whereas CSIRAC and Baby seem to be more electronic pianolas. But does it really matter who was first? Surely <em>how much</em> of a contribution was made to electronic music is much more important! ;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also fascinated that after building a fantastical magic machine, ie. a computer in the &#8217;50s, one of the first things they did with it was get it to make some noise&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: danner</title>
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		<dc:creator>danner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in 1979, I was working on IBM mainframes as a systems programmer.  We had an IBM CE play 'music' on our huge chain-drive line printer.  The printer was really loud and the sounds of various characters printing produced different pitches.  He had several 'songs' he would play that would use a combination of printing characters, the warning bells and lights and even open and close the huge printer door.  very cool...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in 1979, I was working on IBM mainframes as a systems programmer.  We had an IBM CE play &#8216;music&#8217; on our huge chain-drive line printer.  The printer was really loud and the sounds of various characters printing produced different pitches.  He had several &#8217;songs&#8217; he would play that would use a combination of printing characters, the warning bells and lights and even open and close the huge printer door.  very cool&#8230;</p>
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