Comments on: Metallica Attempts to Be Beloved Trent Reznor, Fails

By: somosanto

somosanto — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:07:37 +0000

this “recorded music as promotion” idea is great for all those that want to perform live, but what of the musicians and fans that actually consider the cd to be the product itself?

some music just doesnt translate well to stage, and some artists dont perform best in their studio

By: Michael Hampton

Michael Hampton — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:06:37 +0000

You forgot to mention that Trent Reznor published his last two albums, The Slip and Ghosts I-IV, under a Creative Commons license. I can’t imagine Metallica doing this.

By: Jersey Jim

Jersey Jim — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:04:29 +0000

I hope I can become as irrevelant and hated as Metallica one day. They’ve lost more fans than most of us will ever likely gain.

By: Johnny Horizon

Johnny Horizon — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:05:26 +0000

Metallica wouldn’t have gotten anywhere without the bootleg/tape-trading scene in the 80’s. Back then, they got no radio play, no MTV, no mainstream press, etc. You learned of them when your friend made a copy of his cassette tape for you.

By: dj thopa

dj thopa — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:48:23 +0000

I know you people aint very happy with Metallica,and I agree they mjade a big mistake with the napster thing and all but it seems some of you say this band is not as good as they used to be……or that they are crap now….well I saw them 2 weeks ago playing in Madrid in front of 50.000 people and they are still the men in black kicking assssss, even though Master of Puppets is close to turning twenty (long life clif Burton)

Sorry if you disagree…maybe you dont like metal up your….

Peace

By: Downpressor

Downpressor — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:46:27 +0000

@Peter: Really tho, why make a point about the lawyer? Imagine you work for years to build a brand and have a valuable trademark as a result. Trademarks must be defended by law or you loose them. Its ugly but thats reality. If whomever holds the trademark for Metallica does not do seemingly nasty things like going after “free fan buttons” then they have no legal recourse against Bootleg T-Shirts LLC. Wired is just flame baiting with this whole thing.

BTW last night I was in Tower Records in Shibuya, NiN’s Ghosts was on the rack by the registers for 1,990 Yen. Got me thinking how much of a good scam Renzor is running since he’ll probably be getting residuals off these recent freebies long after people have forgotten about the stunts themselves.

@Cliffe: “I don’t mean to spam” Really? Your post was 1% semi connected reply and 99% self aggrandizement. If it quacks like a duck…

Anyway this gets me thinking, maybe giving away our work isnt enough. Maybe people have the g-d given right to demand that those of us who make the music they like hand deliver our products to them and give them foot massages while they listen. Perhaps they’ll think thats still not enough so we should then act as secretaries to type out their laundry lists of complaints about us and then post them to online forums.

By: Cliffe

Cliffe — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:28:50 +0000

After all they have done in the past to stifle innovation Metallica deserve to be treated with suspicion.

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By: Peter Kirn

Peter Kirn — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:37:10 +0000

@Downpressor: a gimmick’s a gimmick; I agree. But are people really railing against the Stones? Surely that’s in fairly limited circles. I guess my whole point is, I wouldn’t use Metallica as a yardstick — and maybe, at the opposite extreme, even Radiohead. They represent to sides of how buzz can become polarized, and yes, indeed, pretty much everybody else is somewhere in the middle. (The zone called reality?)

By: Peter Kirn

Peter Kirn — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:34:34 +0000

In case you’re wondering and your comments was deleted: all comments / points of view are welcome. Meaningless comments get deleted. If you want it here, find at least a *semi*-articulate way to put it, ‘kay?

By: Downpressor

Downpressor — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:24:09 +0000

“Beloved Trent Renzor”? Where the heck does that come from? The guy pulls a page out of an old marketing playbook and now all of a sudden he’s “beloved”? Seriously, before he hitched his wagon to the “give it away” train, how “beloved” (or even vaguely relevant) was he?

Also I just cant take Wired seriously to comment on these things at all. Essentially they are vultures attracted to carnage and worse yet they have a horse in this race since they’ve always advocated the pseudo socialist “everything wants to be free” line of misreasoning.

As for Metalica, think about it this way, do people on the net whine and cry because the Rolling Stones arent releasing free albums on the web? Do the Stones’ lawyers actively try to suppress logo trademark violations? (hint: the answer is yes)

FWIW I’m with hinge on this one. I run my own label,give away enough freebies, but I get more people telling me they enjoy the copies of my tunes they have but didnt buy. The compliments feel nice but wont buy me any new plugins or mixers.