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	<title>Comments on: Mac OS X 10.5.4 Fixes AirPort Issues with Logic (And Other Audio Apps)</title>
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		<title>By: misterhorsey</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/07/01/mac-os-x-1054-fixes-airport-issues-with-logic-what-about-other-apps/#comment-560504</link>
		<dc:creator>misterhorsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just updated to 10.5.4 last night from 10.5.2 hoping it would fix my usb DAC static problems.  It let me record sweet sweet music for an hour then it decided that whatever I was recording needed to be obliterated by a snow storm of opaque spirits deflating static.  Very very sad.

I run a macbook 2.16ghz with 2 gig of ram.  A mike goes into a Behringer 802 mixer which goes into a Behringer UC202 USB interface.  Software wise I'm running garage band and audacity. So a pretty budget system. I've tried various hacks, like reverting to the pre 10.5 USB audio driver, but to no avail.

If anyone has any pointers, would be much appreciated. Alternatively, if you are experiencing similar problems, you are not alone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just updated to 10.5.4 last night from 10.5.2 hoping it would fix my usb DAC static problems.  It let me record sweet sweet music for an hour then it decided that whatever I was recording needed to be obliterated by a snow storm of opaque spirits deflating static.  Very very sad.</p>
<p>I run a macbook 2.16ghz with 2 gig of ram.  A mike goes into a Behringer 802 mixer which goes into a Behringer UC202 USB interface.  Software wise I&#8217;m running garage band and audacity. So a pretty budget system. I&#8217;ve tried various hacks, like reverting to the pre 10.5 USB audio driver, but to no avail.</p>
<p>If anyone has any pointers, would be much appreciated. Alternatively, if you are experiencing similar problems, you are not alone!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/07/01/mac-os-x-1054-fixes-airport-issues-with-logic-what-about-other-apps/#comment-512626</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zach: you have a choice in terms of going forward, but two things are more difficult:
1. rolling back updates selectively / on-demand without a hack
2. running an OS older than the one approved for a current machine

Both of these ought to be possible theoretically. As others have pointed out, though, there are workarounds or hacks that can yield this possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zach: you have a choice in terms of going forward, but two things are more difficult:<br />
1. rolling back updates selectively / on-demand without a hack<br />
2. running an OS older than the one approved for a current machine</p>
<p>Both of these ought to be possible theoretically. As others have pointed out, though, there are workarounds or hacks that can yield this possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/07/01/mac-os-x-1054-fixes-airport-issues-with-logic-what-about-other-apps/#comment-512624</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm happy to say that my Logic issues are over (for now?). I had the annoying process of Archiving and Installing back to 10.5.1 after the disastrous 10.5.2 update, which rendered Logic pretty much unusable. I made the leap to 10.5.3, but had to turn off wireless. Now with 10.5.4, I can use Logic with wireless on!

As per, Apple "forcing" you to update, It is not the case. When I was running 10.5.1 I just would close Software Update when it occasionally popped up with a reminder to update to 10.5.2. This is far less annoying that repeated nagging of Windows to update and it's attempts to apply updates when you shut down or restart (particularly annoying when you restart when installing a program). Having used Windows and Linux, I find that OSX allows you install whichever updates you want and is not that annoying about it. It's not like you can't install Office (or other programs) without a Service Pack installed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m happy to say that my Logic issues are over (for now?). I had the annoying process of Archiving and Installing back to 10.5.1 after the disastrous 10.5.2 update, which rendered Logic pretty much unusable. I made the leap to 10.5.3, but had to turn off wireless. Now with 10.5.4, I can use Logic with wireless on!</p>
<p>As per, Apple &#8220;forcing&#8221; you to update, It is not the case. When I was running 10.5.1 I just would close Software Update when it occasionally popped up with a reminder to update to 10.5.2. This is far less annoying that repeated nagging of Windows to update and it&#8217;s attempts to apply updates when you shut down or restart (particularly annoying when you restart when installing a program). Having used Windows and Linux, I find that OSX allows you install whichever updates you want and is not that annoying about it. It&#8217;s not like you can&#8217;t install Office (or other programs) without a Service Pack installed.</p>
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		<title>By: jt</title>
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		<dc:creator>jt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i've posted this when the recent 10.5.3 update was released but again 10.5.4 does not fix the following problem on a penryn macbook pro. 2 other laptops confirm the problem.
when using the built in sound core audio driver, the macbookpro will use twice as much cpu in any audio app. connect any firewire audio card and the cpu usage will drop in half (even if the driver is not selected). it seems to only affect penryn mac book pros and is super frustrating. 
nothing including multiple OS installations seem to help at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve posted this when the recent 10.5.3 update was released but again 10.5.4 does not fix the following problem on a penryn macbook pro. 2 other laptops confirm the problem.<br />
when using the built in sound core audio driver, the macbookpro will use twice as much cpu in any audio app. connect any firewire audio card and the cpu usage will drop in half (even if the driver is not selected). it seems to only affect penryn mac book pros and is super frustrating.<br />
nothing including multiple OS installations seem to help at all.</p>
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		<title>By: ernesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>ernesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well no audio dropouts today neither yesterday.  it's kinda early to validate a fix, and also there's no mention to FW on the update log.  but so far so good!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well no audio dropouts today neither yesterday.  it&#8217;s kinda early to validate a fix, and also there&#8217;s no mention to FW on the update log.  but so far so good!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>macbook 10.411

nintendo ds and macbook fluently speaking with each other via airport
i don't know why it seems like everyone has sucha problem doing this

so far for my wiriless midi controller i have
128 toggles
15 sliders
and 30 knobs

thank you nintendo!
sorry this was off topic but i just felt like saying is all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>macbook 10.411</p>
<p>nintendo ds and macbook fluently speaking with each other via airport<br />
i don&#8217;t know why it seems like everyone has sucha problem doing this</p>
<p>so far for my wiriless midi controller i have<br />
128 toggles<br />
15 sliders<br />
and 30 knobs</p>
<p>thank you nintendo!<br />
sorry this was off topic but i just felt like saying is all</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, right -- I don't see Time Machine as a replacement for a real backup. And Time Machine introduces more OS compatibility dependencies, so that's another reason for an independent backup procedure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, right &#8212; I don&#8217;t see Time Machine as a replacement for a real backup. And Time Machine introduces more OS compatibility dependencies, so that&#8217;s another reason for an independent backup procedure.</p>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get you now - it would be nice if you could still buy Tiger (or can you) for your shiny new pre-installed with Leopard MacBook Pro. Would have saved me a month of warranty (check back to my 2nd post).

The SuperDuper! backup method also gives you a significant advantage over System Restore/Time Machine in that you can have a completely bootable drive that you can start the Mac from if the internal drive became corrupted. Theoretically you could use this to have two distinct systems - your "pristine" audio production system, and your bog-standard system where you do your surfing etc. I've  sort of gone down this route already by having my normal user account for day-to-day tasks, and and Audio user account which is only for music production. Helps in giving focus as well!

Cheers,

Maurice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get you now - it would be nice if you could still buy Tiger (or can you) for your shiny new pre-installed with Leopard MacBook Pro. Would have saved me a month of warranty (check back to my 2nd post).</p>
<p>The SuperDuper! backup method also gives you a significant advantage over System Restore/Time Machine in that you can have a completely bootable drive that you can start the Mac from if the internal drive became corrupted. Theoretically you could use this to have two distinct systems - your &#8220;pristine&#8221; audio production system, and your bog-standard system where you do your surfing etc. I&#8217;ve  sort of gone down this route already by having my normal user account for day-to-day tasks, and and Audio user account which is only for music production. Helps in giving focus as well!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Maurice</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I mean the issue is, say, wanting to run 10.4.11 on your shiny, new MacBook Pro that requires 10.5, etc.

But yes, Time Machine can be used for rollbacks. And backups always rock. An actual rollback method does give you more granular control over specific updates, though there is a fix for that, too, as discussed here:
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/05/12/fix-for-mac-audio-dropouts-roll-back-tiger-airport-support/

And those aren't "fanboy" responses, Nassir/MK -- you're right, it is actually a solution. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I mean the issue is, say, wanting to run 10.4.11 on your shiny, new MacBook Pro that requires 10.5, etc.</p>
<p>But yes, Time Machine can be used for rollbacks. And backups always rock. An actual rollback method does give you more granular control over specific updates, though there is a fix for that, too, as discussed here:<br />
<a href="http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/05/12/fix-for-mac-audio-dropouts-roll-back-tiger-airport-support/" rel="nofollow">http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/05/12/fix-for-mac-audio-dropouts-roll-back-tiger-airport-support/</a></p>
<p>And those aren&#8217;t &#8220;fanboy&#8221; responses, Nassir/MK &#8212; you&#8217;re right, it is actually a solution. :)</p>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter Kirn

At the risk of sounding like a Mac fanboy, you could try the roll-back thing with a an external drive and SuperDuper! I have an MBP with a 120Gb drive, and I'm about to invest in a new 250Gb external firewire drive. Using SuperDuper! (sorry for the exclaimation marks but they seem to have done a Yahoo! on the product name) I plan on doing a full bootable backup prior to major OS changes - if something goes wrong I can restore from it, or run from it. I've chosen a 250Gb drive so that I can split it into roughly 2 drives the same size as my internal drive, and use one as regular backup, and one as an emergency backup - maybe with a nice clean version of the OS that I can use to perform recovery on the internal drive if necessary.

Not sure what you mean by "Apple could let you run the OS you want to run" - I select what patches I want to install same as I do on Windows machines? I probably haven't been an Apple customer for long enough to get pissed off (but I certainly was a Linux/Windows user for long enough to look for something else).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter Kirn</p>
<p>At the risk of sounding like a Mac fanboy, you could try the roll-back thing with a an external drive and SuperDuper! I have an MBP with a 120Gb drive, and I&#8217;m about to invest in a new 250Gb external firewire drive. Using SuperDuper! (sorry for the exclaimation marks but they seem to have done a Yahoo! on the product name) I plan on doing a full bootable backup prior to major OS changes - if something goes wrong I can restore from it, or run from it. I&#8217;ve chosen a 250Gb drive so that I can split it into roughly 2 drives the same size as my internal drive, and use one as regular backup, and one as an emergency backup - maybe with a nice clean version of the OS that I can use to perform recovery on the internal drive if necessary.</p>
<p>Not sure what you mean by &#8220;Apple could let you run the OS you want to run&#8221; - I select what patches I want to install same as I do on Windows machines? I probably haven&#8217;t been an Apple customer for long enough to get pissed off (but I certainly was a Linux/Windows user for long enough to look for something else).</p>
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