Readers have complained that we’re doing so much mobile music coverage that it’s hard to wade through it, specifically in regards to the iPhone. I’ll be consolidating that news into a more manageable weekly post. The goal is to make this information more manageable both to those who love mobile music making, and those who don’t. Unfortunately, in my haste to do so, I got something wrong, and I think it deserves a separate correction.

Update: The iDrum mobile app available today will indeed allow you to use your own samples and exchange files with your desktop computer. The original story has been updated:

iPhone News: iDrum, BtBx In; Mixtikl Out Citing Apple Rules

That’s important, because the fundamental issue that determines whether a handheld music app is a toy or something that matters to your music is workflow. If you can complete something musically meaningful on a handheld device, or you can work on something related to what you’re doing on your desktop/laptop computer, then obviously, it’s useful, and that’s what we care about on CDM.

Developer Art Gillespie explains:

With iDrum for iPhone, you can do full round-trip editing of beats–including sending samples back and forth–with iDrum (desktop) for Windows/Mac.

As for audio export, it’s pretty easy to grab the ringtone bounce and use that. (If you don’t already have iDrum)

If you’re currently using the app, the build of iDrum.app with this feature isn’t out just yet; we’ll have an update when it becomes available. It’s not documented, either, but we have confirmed this functionality.

This also explains something that confused a reader, which is why the iPod Touch version of iDrum still has a ringtone bounce, even though you can’t load ringtones on the iPod.

Of course, part of why we don’t simply copy and paste press releases on CDM is that I like to understand the real message of new tools , even if that means first getting it wrong. (The round-trip workflow didn’t seem to be fully documented when the story first ran.)

So, apologies to Art, and now back to your regularly-scheduled programming. We’ll have another iPhone update at the beginning of next week.

  • Jeremy P

    As a long time reader, I disagree regarding the mobile apps. Please continue publishing them here, or at least on a new spinoff site.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    @Jeremy P:

    The idea is to make information more manageable, not to do less because some people aren't interested. ;)

    So I think consolidating some of this coverage should make it more useful to people who DO want mobile coverage, not less. That's the plan.

    Also, I'm setting up a nice little testbed here with the Nintendo DS, Sony PSP, and Apple iPod touch.

    Part of the philosophy of the site has always been to AVOID mind-numbing streams of new stuff. There's a place for that, but frankly, other sites do that better, anyway.

    I don't necessarily want to spin off any more sites, because I think what's great about mobile stuff is the way that it fits into existing computer apps, as controllers or as additional instruments. It's an area I think is going to be huge. So I take this feedback as a call to make that deluge of information more manageable, which is always the goal!

  • dplex

    Just wanted to add my voice in support of mobile music coverage here, and the iPhone in particular. I'm very interested in reading your thoughts about the latest iPhone music apps.

  • Mr. Tunes

    to be more specific, it's the iPhone stuff that i feel a little inundated with while reading this feed. i'm totally into all other mobile stuff like psp and DS.

    but you guys are able to dig up so much info on the subject, you really could start another blog of just that i feel.

  • Mr. Tunes

    i wish there was an edit function on these posts. i just wanted to add that you should do whatever you think is right. it's nice to be heard, but at the same time i realize my opinion annoys other people who are hungry for iphone news.

    i've always been really cynical about apple products :)

  • http://stefangoodchild.com Stefan Goodchild

    With iDrum for iPhone, you can do full round-trip editing of beats–including sending samples back and forth–with iDrum (desktop) for Windows/Mac.

    This is great news and prompted me to buy the iPhone app, but how do you do it? Had a poke around and love the iPhone app and always liked the desktop app but can't see any obvious documentation or even a vague clue as to how one would move data and patterns back and forth.

    Probably being a bit thick I guess…

  • Kipp

    Agree, keep up the mobile coverage. I know that the Izotope DEV stated that you can easily move your work back and forth from iPhone to desktop. But I see no mention in the PDF manual of how to do this? Any ideas? I want to be able to create beats on the iPhone.. then move them to iDrum desktop.. to incorporate into sequesncer. At this point it is not obvious how to do this?

  • http://stefangoodchild.com Stefan Goodchild

    Ok just noticed this comment from Art in the other iPhone Article comments.

    I get to publish my own retraction of sorts here: the latest version of iDrum.app on the iZotope website is not yet the version that syncs with iDrum.iPhone. I’m told it’s due any day now. I’ll post a follow-up comment here as soon as it’s available.

    Things move fast round here don't they?

  • Kipp

    NEVERMIND.. I just found the answer on the original posting, in the comments. It looks like we have to wait until iDrum.app 1.64? For round-tripping capability.

  • http://www.quoico.com RichardL

    > which is why the iPod Touch version of iDrum still has a ringtone bounce, even though you can’t load ringtones on the iPod

    The currently available version of "iDrum for iPhone" does not allow you to create ringtones on the iPod Touch. (My comment was that it would still be useful to be able to create ringtones on the iPod Touch since this is currently the only export option. My understanding is ringtones are just short AAC files. It's understood you couldn't use them as ringtones since there's obviously no phone.)

  • Jason

    I also support your mobile coverage. I do like the consolidation idea though.

  • KimH

    <blockquote cite="Readers have complained that we’re doing so much mobile music coverage that it’s hard to wade through it, specifically in regards to the iPhone…">

    I'd like to add my support for mobile music coverage in general, and iPhone coverage in particular. Don't forget that iPhone 3rd party apps are in their start-up phase, so it's completely natural that there's a lot of activity.

    Also, remember that there are lots of people who for whatever reason just don't like Apple and/or the iPhone. They will tend to be more vocal about this than people who are ok with the coverage — but that doesn't mean they're more numerous.

    The iPhone is an important and interesting new platform for musicians. It deserves full coverage.

    Don't cave to the haters.

  • KimH

    Another couple of points on mobile music/iPhone coverage coverage…

    "Readers have complained that we’re doing so much mobile music coverage that it’s hard to wade through it, specifically in regards to the iPhone."

    There is a powerful technology for dealing with less interesting content, called the "scroll bar." In my experience, when posters complain that there's so much "xxxxx" that it’s hard to wade through it," it usually means something simpler — they just don't like "xxxxx" at all.

    "I’ll be consolidating [mobile music/iPhone] news into a more manageable weekly post."

    You say, "the goal is to make this information more manageable both to those who love mobile music making, and those who don’t." But for me, as someone interested in mobile music, that's not "more manageable," it's "less available."

    IMHO, news that's (in effect) embargoed and then shoehorned into a weekly post shouldn't be called "more manageable." It should be called "late." Please don't make mobile news a second class citizen.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Well, I'm always of the "choose later if it means better" school. But, of course, I'll continue to share breaking news where appropriate. No one's becoming a second-class citizen here. Mobile and gaming are two spaces that have been part of CDM since the beginning.

  • Mike

    Or you could just satisfy both parties by listing all the information as it always has been but put two links at the top of the page to view "music only" or "mobile only". Seems like the most logical step to me. Both sides can choose to go straight to their content or see everything like before. Just a thought…..

  • http://niceweatherforarstrikes.co.uk radian

    I agree with Mr Tunes.

  • Nasir

    Listen, I'm not a big fan of chiptune music nor of far-out alternative controllers, and I've stuck through this site's various bouts of news on making music with Nintendo cartriges, Gameboys, refrigerator CPUs, and wacked-out Wii controllers. I agree with KimH– if you don't like it, scroll over it! Maybe drop a useful comment about why you don't like it and engage in a healthy discussion. In the meantime, I think we can all rest assured that we're not in a zero-sum game here. Peter posts what he sees fit; he's not eschewing your news on the latest 8-bit hawtness for iPhone stories. Everyone's a bit excited now– shoot, when was the last time a company like iZotope made an app for mobile music making??

    Anyway, I hope that people who aren't as excited about this platform can appreciate what it's doing for our niche, just as I get a kick out of the waves of sonic doom people wield with their Wii nunchucks wired into LSDJ while Bjork maniacally smiles on her reacTable.

    P.S. I made that part up about refrigerator CPUs …

  • KimH

    "Listen, I’m not a big fan of chiptune music nor of far-out alternative controllers, and I’ve stuck through this site’s various bouts of news on making music with Nintendo cartriges, Gameboys, refrigerator CPUs, and wacked-out Wii controllers … Anyway, I hope that people who aren’t as excited about this platform can appreciate what it’s doing for our niche"

    Indeed. iPhone stories should not be marginalized just because a few vocal individuals have an attitude about the platform. The pace will die down in any case, as developers settle in to the iPhone SDK.

    Let the uninterested utilize their scroll bars, and let the rest of us read iPhone news without artificial impediments….

  • jo3.14

    let me get this straight. a new idrum desktop version will be released allowing the iphone to sync with it? or will there be a stand alone app to accomplish this or will a new idrum for the iphone be released that allows this? or all three or a combination of the three?

  • Art Gillespie

    iDrum 1.64 is out. Roundtrip editing :) Grab it from http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/idrum/