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		<title>By: Mudo</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/10/17/ableton-joins-serato-in-partnership-digital-vinyl-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-974162</link>
		<dc:creator>Mudo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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News about mspinky maxmsp object integration with maxforlive:

http://www.mspinky.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=921&amp;highlight=

Enjoy!

Work is done. I still need a Job.

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<p>News about mspinky maxmsp object integration with maxforlive:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mspinky.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=921&amp;highlight=" rel="nofollow">http://www.mspinky.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=921&amp;highlight=</a></p>
<p>Enjoy!</p>
<p>Work is done. I still need a Job.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Uzlskkeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uzlskkeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 02:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KTb4Gu comment1 ,</description>
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		<title>By: Mudo</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/10/17/ableton-joins-serato-in-partnership-digital-vinyl-for-live/comment-page-1/#comment-710535</link>
		<dc:creator>Mudo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...
Where is the monkey god?

Use your kowledge to make Ms. Pinky midi out!
The tools are there...

Get to the people which they want!

;)

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Where is the monkey god?</p>
<p>Use your kowledge to make Ms. Pinky midi out!<br />
The tools are there&#8230;</p>
<p>Get to the people which they want!</p>
<p>;)</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Ramella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Ramella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly didn&#039;t see this infusion coming to Live!

It&#039;ll be interesting to see how they do it, but if they ape the ammobox concept without giving me credit I&#039;ll be sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly didn&#8217;t see this infusion coming to Live!</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how they do it, but if they ape the ammobox concept without giving me credit I&#8217;ll be sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr E Hertz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr E Hertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good news for those of us who want there to be more of clear winner in the digital DJing world.  As an early adopter of Torq, I know that holding your breath for M-Audio to get its act together is not worth the lower price point it offers.  The promised features are attractive, however, the actual product doesn&#039;t deliver professional usability or reliability IMO.  Serato and Ableton working together gives you the seemingly unlimited creative functionality of Ableton a partner that has suceeded in taking the computer into the club without having to change the entire game.  I guess what I&#039;m saying is that DJing doesn&#039;t lose it&#039;s history and artistic legitimacy with Serato, and with Ableton the amazing creative possibilities are of little use when all the common club goer sees is a guy checking his email, or possibly playing with some sort of video game controller while trying to look cool.  If they get it right, there might just be a way to get out from behind the laptop, perform your creative magic, and look cool for to the hipsters without having to completely reinvent the DJ, the tools, or the experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good news for those of us who want there to be more of clear winner in the digital DJing world.  As an early adopter of Torq, I know that holding your breath for M-Audio to get its act together is not worth the lower price point it offers.  The promised features are attractive, however, the actual product doesn&#8217;t deliver professional usability or reliability IMO.  Serato and Ableton working together gives you the seemingly unlimited creative functionality of Ableton a partner that has suceeded in taking the computer into the club without having to change the entire game.  I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that DJing doesn&#8217;t lose it&#8217;s history and artistic legitimacy with Serato, and with Ableton the amazing creative possibilities are of little use when all the common club goer sees is a guy checking his email, or possibly playing with some sort of video game controller while trying to look cool.  If they get it right, there might just be a way to get out from behind the laptop, perform your creative magic, and look cool for to the hipsters without having to completely reinvent the DJ, the tools, or the experience.</p>
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		<title>By: prevolt</title>
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		<dc:creator>prevolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand what makes a turntable anachronistic.  That&#039;s just skewed.  I&#039;d call a piano anachronistic first if you wanted to start talking that way.  A turntable with crossfader is the most nimble and nuanced editing instrument you can get a hold of.

And I really love the Rane/Serato approach to being super-serious about making &quot;professional&quot; software and hardware because it&#039;s so in depth, all the way down to the white papers on the website and random things like that.

This may not affect the Rane/Serato version of Scratch Live that much, though.  I know they said after Itch (or whatever it&#039;s called) was announced that Scratch Live wouldn&#039;t get a beatmatching feature.  But the whole thing could get done on the Ableton side.  They could start using Rane&#039;s control message format and automap to the ttm57 as a control surface.  Then you could add up to 2 video-capable Scratch Live instruments into your liveset.  Maybe Ableton can get permission to use Serato&#039;s color-coded &amp; 3-band waveforms.  

I switched from DJing in Live to Serato after Video SL came out.  I&#039;m really looking forward to hearing what they&#039;ve got planned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what makes a turntable anachronistic.  That&#8217;s just skewed.  I&#8217;d call a piano anachronistic first if you wanted to start talking that way.  A turntable with crossfader is the most nimble and nuanced editing instrument you can get a hold of.</p>
<p>And I really love the Rane/Serato approach to being super-serious about making &#8220;professional&#8221; software and hardware because it&#8217;s so in depth, all the way down to the white papers on the website and random things like that.</p>
<p>This may not affect the Rane/Serato version of Scratch Live that much, though.  I know they said after Itch (or whatever it&#8217;s called) was announced that Scratch Live wouldn&#8217;t get a beatmatching feature.  But the whole thing could get done on the Ableton side.  They could start using Rane&#8217;s control message format and automap to the ttm57 as a control surface.  Then you could add up to 2 video-capable Scratch Live instruments into your liveset.  Maybe Ableton can get permission to use Serato&#8217;s color-coded &amp; 3-band waveforms.  </p>
<p>I switched from DJing in Live to Serato after Video SL came out.  I&#8217;m really looking forward to hearing what they&#8217;ve got planned.</p>
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		<title>By: Â¿El futuro del DJing llegÃ³? Serato y Ableton se unieron &#124; flowmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Â¿El futuro del DJing llegÃ³? Serato y Ableton se unieron &#124; flowmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CreateDigitalMusic    20 Oct 08 &#124; Flowmi &#124; TecnologÃ­a, mp3 &#124; 0 comentarios &#124; flowardealo Etiquetas: Ableton Live, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] CreateDigitalMusic    20 Oct 08 | Flowmi | TecnologÃ­a, mp3 | 0 comentarios | flowardealo Etiquetas: Ableton Live, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: turntable poetry &#187; Blog Archive &#187; traktor, serato, ableton making djs wet pants</title>
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		<dc:creator>turntable poetry &#187; Blog Archive &#187; traktor, serato, ableton making djs wet pants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this creative partnership in action soon, perhaps by the time of NAMM in January. Â But Peter Kirn warns us not to get too excited given the vaporware announcement of Ableton&#8217;s partnership with Cycling [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this creative partnership in action soon, perhaps by the time of NAMM in January. Â But Peter Kirn warns us not to get too excited given the vaporware announcement of Ableton&#8217;s partnership with Cycling [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Serato &#38; Ableton Colab! &#124; Mnuvrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serato &#38; Ableton Colab! &#124; Mnuvrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Create Digital Music reported today about a creative collaboration between the two companies who both take different approaches to DJing and Music performance. Serato with their MP3 reading vinyl and Ableton with their hugely successful software &#8220;Live&#8221; which has taken DJing and Music performance to previously unchartered levels. Only goodness can come from this collaboration and we are very excited to find out what it is exactly, these two companies have up their sleeves. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Create Digital Music reported today about a creative collaboration between the two companies who both take different approaches to DJing and Music performance. Serato with their MP3 reading vinyl and Ableton with their hugely successful software &#8220;Live&#8221; which has taken DJing and Music performance to previously unchartered levels. Only goodness can come from this collaboration and we are very excited to find out what it is exactly, these two companies have up their sleeves. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant see any area in which NI and Ableton have to be rivals. Live is now a choice of production for many and live performance tool for musicians from a variety of styles whereas Traktor&#039;s focus is on being a traditional dj environment with innovation by every upgrade.
For their different approach to live performance, I dont see a rivalry here. At least some djs bring two laptops, one Live and the other Traktor installed, on stage. My expectation was that Live-NI would collaborate to develop creative ways of using these two softwares together without limits that djs have to tackle themselves. For Ableton, it would be more beneficial to provide a way of using Live with other dj environments not only Serato.
Ableton announced a collaborative partnership with Cycling&#039;74 before, brought Analog, Tension, and Electric with AAS, and now Serato but there are many people using Live with software synthesizers from NI on production and Live together with Reaktor or Traktor as I mentioned before so it would be great to see these two software companies from Berlin collaborate together to provide integrated solutions to musicians and djs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant see any area in which NI and Ableton have to be rivals. Live is now a choice of production for many and live performance tool for musicians from a variety of styles whereas Traktor&#8217;s focus is on being a traditional dj environment with innovation by every upgrade.<br />
For their different approach to live performance, I dont see a rivalry here. At least some djs bring two laptops, one Live and the other Traktor installed, on stage. My expectation was that Live-NI would collaborate to develop creative ways of using these two softwares together without limits that djs have to tackle themselves. For Ableton, it would be more beneficial to provide a way of using Live with other dj environments not only Serato.<br />
Ableton announced a collaborative partnership with Cycling&#8217;74 before, brought Analog, Tension, and Electric with AAS, and now Serato but there are many people using Live with software synthesizers from NI on production and Live together with Reaktor or Traktor as I mentioned before so it would be great to see these two software companies from Berlin collaborate together to provide integrated solutions to musicians and djs.</p>
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