Comments on: Free Tremolo Audio Unit for Mac, with the SuperCollider AU Wrapper http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:41:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: ugga http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/comment-page-1/#comment-756106 ugga Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:45:56 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/#comment-756106 i really really wish there was a plugin creation tool such as synthedit/synthmaker, which: A) outputs windows and mac compatible plugins B) doesn't require an additional framework (such as the pluggo runtime or the sonicbirth framework) maybe someone should just make a non-programming wires & modules interface for JUCE: http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com i really really wish there was a plugin creation tool such as synthedit/synthmaker, which:

A) outputs windows and mac compatible plugins
B) doesn’t require an additional framework (such as the pluggo runtime or the sonicbirth framework)

maybe someone should just make a non-programming wires & modules interface for JUCE:
http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com

]]> By: JohnG http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/comment-page-1/#comment-690353 JohnG Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:42:31 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/#comment-690353 Well, it was a commercial project before it was open sourced, and then it was Mac only. I would bet that if you did a survey of the main developers now, at least 80% of them are academics. That added to the fact that it was originally Mac only is why Windows development tends to lag behind. It is after all far easier to port things between OS X and Linux, as OS X is Unix based. Well, it was a commercial project before it was open sourced, and then it was Mac only.

I would bet that if you did a survey of the main developers now, at least 80% of them are academics.

That added to the fact that it was originally Mac only is why Windows development tends to lag behind. It is after all far easier to port things between OS X and Linux, as OS X is Unix based.

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/comment-page-1/#comment-690187 Peter Kirn Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:37:35 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/#comment-690187 Well, Carrie's right -- SuperCollider is a now-opensourced, once-commercial project. And I frankly think there's not as much of a divide between academia and the rest of the music tech world; let's face it, building audio apps is pretty "academic" stuff. It is true the student and faculty working on projects do tend to tilt Macwards. Well, Carrie’s right — SuperCollider is a now-opensourced, once-commercial project. And I frankly think there’s not as much of a divide between academia and the rest of the music tech world; let’s face it, building audio apps is pretty “academic” stuff. It is true the student and faculty working on projects do tend to tilt Macwards.

]]> By: carrie http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/comment-page-1/#comment-690181 carrie Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:34:36 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/#comment-690181 SuperCollider does not come from academia. SuperCollider does not come from academia.

]]> By: JohnG http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/comment-page-1/#comment-690081 JohnG Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:50:47 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/#comment-690081 Well yes I didn't mean Windows developers in general, but specifically in the field of computer music in academia I meet very few. Well yes I didn’t mean Windows developers in general, but specifically in the field of computer music in academia I meet very few.

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/comment-page-1/#comment-690066 Peter Kirn Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:39:26 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/#comment-690066 I don't think there's any absence of Windows developers, just Windows developers on this project ... and, indeed, even in academia I run across more Windows developers than Linux. But you know, having looked at what's necessary to build on these platforms, I think the easy solution is to improve documentation and remove annoying impediments to build success, for all three OSes. That's all doable. Absolutely -- having jackdmp as a standard would be fantastic! And having different standards on each OS really isn't an aid -- especially if we want good Linux support, cross-platform is important. I don’t think there’s any absence of Windows developers, just Windows developers on this project … and, indeed, even in academia I run across more Windows developers than Linux. But you know, having looked at what’s necessary to build on these platforms, I think the easy solution is to improve documentation and remove annoying impediments to build success, for all three OSes. That’s all doable.

Absolutely — having jackdmp as a standard would be fantastic! And having different standards on each OS really isn’t an aid — especially if we want good Linux support, cross-platform is important.

]]> By: JohnG http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/comment-page-1/#comment-690063 JohnG Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:33:27 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/#comment-690063 Peter: I'm not sure that JACK was available for windows when the windows port of SC started. It's only since jackdmp that the option exists. Jackdmp was in beta, but looking at the site again now it seems that things have progressed quite a lot, and the new JACK2 codebase will actually use jackdmp. <a href="http://www.grame.fr/~letz/jackdmp.html" rel="nofollow">jackdmp site</a> But yes it is nice that perhaps JACK can become the standard for passing audio between applications on all 3 major platforms. The lack of standards is in my opinion one of the biggest things that is holding back open source development. As for why there are so few windows developers, yes I think that academia has a lot to do with it. Peter:

I’m not sure that JACK was available for windows when the windows port of SC started. It’s only since jackdmp that the option exists. Jackdmp was in beta, but looking at the site again now it seems that things have progressed quite a lot, and the new JACK2 codebase will actually use jackdmp.

jackdmp site

But yes it is nice that perhaps JACK can become the standard for passing audio between applications on all 3 major platforms. The lack of standards is in my opinion one of the biggest things that is holding back open source development.

As for why there are so few windows developers, yes I think that academia has a lot to do with it.

]]> By: dave ahl http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/comment-page-1/#comment-690005 dave ahl Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:39:53 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/#comment-690005 wow it's time to fire up the ol' SuperCollider patches from college and get a Wacom tablet :) wow it’s time to fire up the ol’ SuperCollider patches from college and get a Wacom tablet :)

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/comment-page-1/#comment-689957 Peter Kirn Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:55:16 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/#comment-689957 Well, yes, academia has tended to go Macwards, and that's true. I do really like the object-oriented approach in SuperCollider. Anyway, it's working fine in Windows for me here, even though my preferred platform for it would indeed be Linux for JACK support. The Mac is more dominant in academia now than ever before by an order of magnitude. But, you know, I like stuff running on all OSes. And like I said, no reason SC can't be in that category... PS, Mateo, enjoyed your Paul van Dyk remix. ;) Well, yes, academia has tended to go Macwards, and that’s true. I do really like the object-oriented approach in SuperCollider. Anyway, it’s working fine in Windows for me here, even though my preferred platform for it would indeed be Linux for JACK support.

The Mac is more dominant in academia now than ever before by an order of magnitude. But, you know, I like stuff running on all OSes. And like I said, no reason SC can’t be in that category…

PS, Mateo, enjoyed your Paul van Dyk remix. ;)

]]> By: Mateo http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/comment-page-1/#comment-689948 Mateo Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:47:45 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/12/free-tremolo-audio-unit-for-mac-with-the-supercollider-au-wrapper/#comment-689948 <blockquote cite="Peter Kirn"? It’s funny to me that there aren’t devs working on the Windows ports of Pd and SuperCollider, given how many audio devs there are on Windows… but, of course, they’re doing other things. :) </blockquote> AFAIK, supercollider, pd, max and chuck all come from academia, where the mac has long reigned supreme. The windows dev mentality seems to lead to things like synthedit and synthmaker, which are a lot more accessible. <blockquote cite=”Peter Kirn”?
It’s funny to me that there aren’t devs working on the Windows ports of Pd and SuperCollider, given how many audio devs there are on Windows… but, of course, they’re doing other things. :)

AFAIK, supercollider, pd, max and chuck all come from academia, where the mac has long reigned supreme. The windows dev mentality seems to lead to things like synthedit and synthmaker, which are a lot more accessible.

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