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		<title>By: RIAA to stop lawsuit campagin against suspected file sharers &#124; Crib Notes</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIAA to stop lawsuit campagin against suspected file sharers &#124; Crib Notes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blazing mercury to cool for just a tad bit, the Record Industry Association of America, one of the most polarizing industry groups out there, is halting it&#8217;s practice of initiating legal action against suspected online music pirates. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forget my original point.... (sorry it&#039;s the &quot;failed business model&quot; hot-button!)  The RIAA screwed up by not listening to the consumers and the consumers screwed up because they figured out what they wanted and took it by force when the RIAA didn&#039;t hand it to them.  The trade groups will continue to put their focus in the wrong place until the consumer wises up and stops copying for-profit works just cause it&#039;s easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forget my original point&#8230;. (sorry it&#8217;s the &#8220;failed business model&#8221; hot-button!)  The RIAA screwed up by not listening to the consumers and the consumers screwed up because they figured out what they wanted and took it by force when the RIAA didn&#8217;t hand it to them.  The trade groups will continue to put their focus in the wrong place until the consumer wises up and stops copying for-profit works just cause it&#8217;s easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter:  Oh I agree 100% with you on that and am not defending their choices, by any means.  If the RIAA was a person working for me, I would find a new person....these are the folks I was referring to in my first post that have been working on the lock so long, all they see currently is the lock and the people trying to break it.

I mention the things that I do because most people don&#039;t realize the extraordinary amount of effort that goes into album and touring productions for for artists, causing some ill-informed vendetta against record labels and their trade association.  If 100,000 people refuse to buy an artists album because of X reason that they read off the internet and instead download the mp3, it hurts venue selection, royalty-generating outlets, ability to get major media interviews, etc.

I can&#039;t say what the solution is, but I think we first have to get both the &quot;Stop Stealing!&quot; RIAA and the &quot;Screw you, it&#039;s just data!&quot; consumer off their respective high-horses if we really want to support the artist.  I think both groups are equally out of touch.

Having used about every method of acquiring music that exists, I would rather rip than search/download and still spend hours at Waterloo and Encore in Austin (local promo!) browsing around.  I think it&#039;s far more fun and social, but maybe I&#039;m just a bit dated. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter:  Oh I agree 100% with you on that and am not defending their choices, by any means.  If the RIAA was a person working for me, I would find a new person&#8230;.these are the folks I was referring to in my first post that have been working on the lock so long, all they see currently is the lock and the people trying to break it.</p>
<p>I mention the things that I do because most people don&#8217;t realize the extraordinary amount of effort that goes into album and touring productions for for artists, causing some ill-informed vendetta against record labels and their trade association.  If 100,000 people refuse to buy an artists album because of X reason that they read off the internet and instead download the mp3, it hurts venue selection, royalty-generating outlets, ability to get major media interviews, etc.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say what the solution is, but I think we first have to get both the &#8220;Stop Stealing!&#8221; RIAA and the &#8220;Screw you, it&#8217;s just data!&#8221; consumer off their respective high-horses if we really want to support the artist.  I think both groups are equally out of touch.</p>
<p>Having used about every method of acquiring music that exists, I would rather rip than search/download and still spend hours at Waterloo and Encore in Austin (local promo!) browsing around.  I think it&#8217;s far more fun and social, but maybe I&#8217;m just a bit dated. :)</p>
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		<title>By: J. Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comparisons Peter.  Enjoyable article with some great points not heard often enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comparisons Peter.  Enjoyable article with some great points not heard often enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin: Right, but that&#039;s my point -- I&#039;m not convinced the RIAA is acting in the interests of its labels. And not all of those members are massive global corporations; there are some small label members and even some of those global corporations own smaller imprints that behave more like small labels because it can be what works. 

Some self-motivated artists have long managed their own business. Nothing about that is unique to the digital age. Likewise, you may find someone else to perform these services for you, whether you contract out or go to a label, small or large.

But from tiny labels to massive labels, the RIAA has been the most visible front for the whole industry. And I think it&#039;s done a phenomenally bad job talking about what that industry is about. They have these resources to try to tell exactly the story commenters here are describing. Artists have an obligation to educate themselves. But if even artists have misconceptions about the record industry, you have to place some of that blame on the highly-paid individuals running their PR - or on the legal departments that have been stealing all the headlines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin: Right, but that&#8217;s my point &#8212; I&#8217;m not convinced the RIAA is acting in the interests of its labels. And not all of those members are massive global corporations; there are some small label members and even some of those global corporations own smaller imprints that behave more like small labels because it can be what works. </p>
<p>Some self-motivated artists have long managed their own business. Nothing about that is unique to the digital age. Likewise, you may find someone else to perform these services for you, whether you contract out or go to a label, small or large.</p>
<p>But from tiny labels to massive labels, the RIAA has been the most visible front for the whole industry. And I think it&#8217;s done a phenomenally bad job talking about what that industry is about. They have these resources to try to tell exactly the story commenters here are describing. Artists have an obligation to educate themselves. But if even artists have misconceptions about the record industry, you have to place some of that blame on the highly-paid individuals running their PR &#8211; or on the legal departments that have been stealing all the headlines.</p>
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		<title>By: wlh</title>
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		<dc:creator>wlh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Kevin&quot;&gt;
ï»¿ï»¿most artists donâ€™t record, mix, master, graphic design, make merch, market, organize tours, handle accounting, run lights, run sound, paste flyers, design websites, etc.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But of course, artists today face a choice between doing all or nearly all of those things, and turning a profit doing them, or finding another line of work in order to make enough money to live.

We (my musical partner and I) maintain a decent recording studio, own all of our own backline, are designing and will maintain our own website, are learning all about DMX so that we can program lighting displays, have designed promotional materials of all kinds, hire and work with video designers and live videoists.  We get involved in the booking of most of our live shows.  Our record label helps a great deal, pays for some production costs and makes their studios available to us, and in general contributes a lot (otherwise we would not stay with them), but they are miserably unprofitable and understaffed and not well-heeled enough for us to depend on for many or even most of what needs to be done.

There is nothing more childish in all of this debate than the ficticious opposition between artists and record labels.  I suspect that this fantasy originates from people who do not have and probably could not get a recording contract.  Musicians who have shopped around for such contracts and who have obtained them will have learned that record labels today are frail entities that go bankrupt in a heartbeat.  They are nothing like the big-corporation cartoons that are painted about them on the internet.  The first record label I was signed to was at one time a reputable and prosperous independent label, that produced quite a few successful artists.  It folded, like a lot of lesser labels, and although our current label is doing fine for the moment, I worry constantly that it too will fold.  If and when it does, we will have even more work to do and even more weight to carry.

In all of what I&#039;ve written above, what is missing?  Only the music.

-wlh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="Kevin"><p>
ï»¿ï»¿most artists donâ€™t record, mix, master, graphic design, make merch, market, organize tours, handle accounting, run lights, run sound, paste flyers, design websites, etc.
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<p>But of course, artists today face a choice between doing all or nearly all of those things, and turning a profit doing them, or finding another line of work in order to make enough money to live.</p>
<p>We (my musical partner and I) maintain a decent recording studio, own all of our own backline, are designing and will maintain our own website, are learning all about DMX so that we can program lighting displays, have designed promotional materials of all kinds, hire and work with video designers and live videoists.  We get involved in the booking of most of our live shows.  Our record label helps a great deal, pays for some production costs and makes their studios available to us, and in general contributes a lot (otherwise we would not stay with them), but they are miserably unprofitable and understaffed and not well-heeled enough for us to depend on for many or even most of what needs to be done.</p>
<p>There is nothing more childish in all of this debate than the ficticious opposition between artists and record labels.  I suspect that this fantasy originates from people who do not have and probably could not get a recording contract.  Musicians who have shopped around for such contracts and who have obtained them will have learned that record labels today are frail entities that go bankrupt in a heartbeat.  They are nothing like the big-corporation cartoons that are painted about them on the internet.  The first record label I was signed to was at one time a reputable and prosperous independent label, that produced quite a few successful artists.  It folded, like a lot of lesser labels, and although our current label is doing fine for the moment, I worry constantly that it too will fold.  If and when it does, we will have even more work to do and even more weight to carry.</p>
<p>In all of what I&#8217;ve written above, what is missing?  Only the music.</p>
<p>-wlh</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words, contakt and Downpressor.  

The &quot;failed business model&quot; statement is, more often than not, followed by: &quot;I get more exposure by downloading therefore I buy more music.&quot;  The problem with that is is usually doesn&#039;t happen in reality and then the statement becomes &quot;Oh I don&#039;t support labels because they don&#039;t support the artists enough,&quot; when what they _really_ mean is &quot;I already have it in the format I like, so why would I buy it just to make more work for myself?&quot;  In a perfect world, people would listen on myspace, imeem, last.fm, etc...and then run to the store to buy what they enjoyed.  To those who don&#039;t remember, this is the same thing we used to do at CD stores with listening stations, so music exploration of indie artists is hardly a revolution....only now you sit on your butt while exploring and the artist doesn&#039;t have to press a CD to be heard, which IS the revolution.

Just remember, folks...most artists don&#039;t record, mix, master, graphic design, make merch, market, organize tours, handle accounting, run lights, run sound, paste flyers, design websites, etc.  Artists make music and whether or not you agree with the costs required to do all of the above things that artists need to make a living, they still exist.  The RIAA members, misguided as they are, funnel a WHOLE lot of money toward artists, which is more than I can say about many so-called fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words, contakt and Downpressor.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;failed business model&#8221; statement is, more often than not, followed by: &#8220;I get more exposure by downloading therefore I buy more music.&#8221;  The problem with that is is usually doesn&#8217;t happen in reality and then the statement becomes &#8220;Oh I don&#8217;t support labels because they don&#8217;t support the artists enough,&#8221; when what they _really_ mean is &#8220;I already have it in the format I like, so why would I buy it just to make more work for myself?&#8221;  In a perfect world, people would listen on myspace, imeem, last.fm, etc&#8230;and then run to the store to buy what they enjoyed.  To those who don&#8217;t remember, this is the same thing we used to do at CD stores with listening stations, so music exploration of indie artists is hardly a revolution&#8230;.only now you sit on your butt while exploring and the artist doesn&#8217;t have to press a CD to be heard, which IS the revolution.</p>
<p>Just remember, folks&#8230;most artists don&#8217;t record, mix, master, graphic design, make merch, market, organize tours, handle accounting, run lights, run sound, paste flyers, design websites, etc.  Artists make music and whether or not you agree with the costs required to do all of the above things that artists need to make a living, they still exist.  The RIAA members, misguided as they are, funnel a WHOLE lot of money toward artists, which is more than I can say about many so-called fans.</p>
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		<title>By: MonksDream</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonksDream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@downpressor - Yes, I do remember the &quot;Home Taping Is Killing Music&quot; debate. That&#039;s what I was referring to in the second paragraph of my post. It was wrong then and is wrong now. I stand by my reasons for why it didn&#039;t work then, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@downpressor &#8211; Yes, I do remember the &#8220;Home Taping Is Killing Music&#8221; debate. That&#8217;s what I was referring to in the second paragraph of my post. It was wrong then and is wrong now. I stand by my reasons for why it didn&#8217;t work then, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Catching The Waves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catching The Waves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope my post didn&#039;t come across as glib. Making money from music is extremely difficult, whether through traditional methods or via new business models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope my post didn&#8217;t come across as glib. Making money from music is extremely difficult, whether through traditional methods or via new business models.</p>
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		<title>By: wlh</title>
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		<dc:creator>wlh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The RIAA is an easy target, since they are on the wrong side of history, clinging to outmoded technology and business models.  But as a full-time professional musician (signed to an independent label) I don&#039;t see business models emerging that can realistically support the production of good recordings.  Playing live is great, but it is more difficult for an up-and-coming band or artist to make a living from it than is usually acknowledged.  It is immensely time-consuming, so if it is the only way to earn money, it will inevitably pull artists away from the recording studio.  It has become very difficult to get any kind of budget for production.  To an extent, this can be offset by tracking and mixing by the artists themselves, but this has a real disadvantage, compared to hiring a seasoned professional engineer and working in a well-designed and appointed recording studio.  The music business is very tough these days, and being glib about the digital future and the new business models that are just around the corner and will save the day for struggling musicians doesn&#039;t impress me much.

-wlh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The RIAA is an easy target, since they are on the wrong side of history, clinging to outmoded technology and business models.  But as a full-time professional musician (signed to an independent label) I don&#8217;t see business models emerging that can realistically support the production of good recordings.  Playing live is great, but it is more difficult for an up-and-coming band or artist to make a living from it than is usually acknowledged.  It is immensely time-consuming, so if it is the only way to earn money, it will inevitably pull artists away from the recording studio.  It has become very difficult to get any kind of budget for production.  To an extent, this can be offset by tracking and mixing by the artists themselves, but this has a real disadvantage, compared to hiring a seasoned professional engineer and working in a well-designed and appointed recording studio.  The music business is very tough these days, and being glib about the digital future and the new business models that are just around the corner and will save the day for struggling musicians doesn&#8217;t impress me much.</p>
<p>-wlh</p>
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