Comments on: Max For Live is Max In Live: MSP, Jitter, OSC, and All; The Open Source Side? http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:22:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Wiley http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/comment-page-1/#comment-1007702 Wiley Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:49:35 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/#comment-1007702 I need to send osc signals out of Live8 to control VDMX on another computer. Right now it looks like Max4Live is the only way to do it, but I have no experience with Max, and having to program my own patch just to get osc out sounds daunting. Should I get Max4Live or try and figure out some sort of networked midi or third party midi to osc setup? I need to send osc signals out of Live8 to control VDMX on another computer. Right now it looks like Max4Live is the only way to do it, but I have no experience with Max, and having to program my own patch just to get osc out sounds daunting. Should I get Max4Live or try and figure out some sort of networked midi or third party midi to osc setup?

]]> By: Rich http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/comment-page-1/#comment-992022 Rich Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:21:01 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/#comment-992022 Andrew wrote above: "works perfectly under the Mac OS implementation of Jack which loads as a VST" - anyone know where to get this VST plug-in? I can't find it within the jackosx package, although it is mentioned in the manual Andrew wrote above:

“works perfectly under the Mac OS implementation of Jack which loads as a VST”

- anyone know where to get this VST plug-in? I can’t find it within the jackosx package, although it is mentioned in the manual

]]> By: me2day 2009? 7? 5? « DJ Kogi http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/comment-page-1/#comment-938551 me2day 2009? 7? 5? « DJ Kogi Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:48:54 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/#comment-938551 [...] Max For Live is Max In Live: MSP, Jitter, OSC, and All; The Open Source Side?__Ableton ?? Max for Live ? ??? ??? VST ? ?? ??? ??? plug-in ??? ?? ????.2009-07-04 23:18:09 [...] [...] Max For Live is Max In Live: MSP, Jitter, OSC, and All; The Open Source Side?__Ableton ?? Max for Live ? ??? ??? VST ? ?? ??? ??? plug-in ??? ?? ????.2009-07-04 23:18:09 [...]

]]> By: Charles Baker http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/comment-page-1/#comment-796583 Charles Baker Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:43:37 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/#comment-796583 <q>we have PD working with Live just fine… in fact, works perfectly under the Mac OS implementation of Jack ...</q> Yeah, and Max/Msp has worked for years with any rewire aware DAWs...and has it's own (open source!) audio router (Soundflower) on Macs; a nice complement to the wonderful Mac IAC midi driver...in other words, it isn't just the integration of the PD app with the DAW: it's a question of unity of the workflow: in Max 4Live, we get to develop our tools inside the DAW itself, using tools that are *automatically* unified with the DAW's data and control systems. Pd is great: I am so happy we have it, but just because it works well with DAW integration tools that exist already (Jack/IAC/whatever) does not make it of the same level of functional integration we are promised in Max4Live...I own Live7 (soon 8) ,and Max/Msp, and Pd and PlogueBidule and Jack and Soundflower and other rewire enabled DAWs, and well, too much to cover. I still wait for Max4Live as an unique and uniquely powerful new integration tool. Heck, don't even need Jack or Soundflower to tie Pd or Max to a DAW: midi and audio can be sent around in the old standard ways, eh? ;-) - charlieb aka j2k we have PD working with Live just fine… in fact, works perfectly under the Mac OS implementation of Jack …
Yeah, and Max/Msp has worked for years with any rewire aware DAWs…and has it’s own (open source!) audio router (Soundflower) on Macs; a nice complement to the wonderful Mac IAC midi driver…in other words, it isn’t just the integration of the PD app with the DAW: it’s a question of unity of the workflow: in Max 4Live, we get to develop our tools inside the DAW itself, using tools that are *automatically* unified with the DAW’s data and control systems.
Pd is great: I am so happy we have it, but just because it works well with DAW integration tools that exist already (Jack/IAC/whatever) does not make it of the same level of functional integration we are promised in Max4Live…I own Live7 (soon 8) ,and Max/Msp, and Pd and PlogueBidule and Jack and Soundflower and other rewire enabled DAWs, and well, too much to cover.
I still wait for Max4Live as an unique and uniquely powerful new integration tool.
Heck, don’t even need Jack or Soundflower to tie Pd or Max to a DAW: midi and audio can be sent around in the old standard ways, eh? ;-)
– charlieb aka j2k

]]> By: andrew garton http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/comment-page-1/#comment-772632 andrew garton Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:54:57 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/#comment-772632 Peter, you say "(I don’t see Pd working in Live any time soon, though.)" Mentioned recently that we have PD working with Live just fine... in fact, works perfectly under the Mac OS implementation of Jack which loads as a VST enabling seamless integration of PD within Live. On my windows box I have PD providing sync to Live which in turn receives sync via 'netreceive' across a network switch. PD syncs to Live via myoke and literally "taps" a tempo out. This is cool... and with a little tweaking (latency issues), I can pull up Jack for windows and run PD through Live, straight audio processing, recording, etc. All this could be much improved on, but the rig works just fine and for what we're doing (Terminal Quartet Graz), I'm wrapped! No worries, no sweat (unless you're in Melbourne now, but thankfully I'm not) ^_^ -ag. Peter, you say “(I don’t see Pd working in Live any time soon, though.)”

Mentioned recently that we have PD working with Live just fine… in fact, works perfectly under the Mac OS implementation of Jack which loads as a VST enabling seamless integration of PD within Live.

On my windows box I have PD providing sync to Live which in turn receives sync via ‘netreceive’ across a network switch. PD syncs to Live via myoke and literally “taps” a tempo out.

This is cool… and with a little tweaking (latency issues), I can pull up Jack for windows and run PD through Live, straight audio processing, recording, etc.

All this could be much improved on, but the rig works just fine and for what we’re doing (Terminal Quartet Graz), I’m wrapped!

No worries, no sweat (unless you’re in Melbourne now, but thankfully I’m not) ^_^

-ag.

]]> By: Kevin McGuire » Blog Archive » Free vs. commercial, perspectives from the music software industry http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/comment-page-1/#comment-767629 Kevin McGuire » Blog Archive » Free vs. commercial, perspectives from the music software industry Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:31:52 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/#comment-767629 [...] in ways I can’t get into in this post, but what I thought interesting for this audience was this discussion around open source v.s. commercial software (my bolding): It’s not such fantastic news for the [...] [...] in ways I can’t get into in this post, but what I thought interesting for this audience was this discussion around open source v.s. commercial software (my bolding): It’s not such fantastic news for the [...]

]]> By: Valis http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/comment-page-1/#comment-767156 Valis Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:32:54 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/#comment-767156 I'd like to see what midi processing possibilities there are, 'ala Logic's environment style. This would go a long way towards allowing me to route/remap signals in the studio (one of two reasons I still rely on Logic). Add some refinement to automation editing in the arrange page (to make the display area bit more flexible) and I may consider carrying Live all the way to final arrangement & mixing. I’d like to see what midi processing possibilities there are, ‘ala Logic’s environment style. This would go a long way towards allowing me to route/remap signals in the studio (one of two reasons I still rely on Logic).

Add some refinement to automation editing in the arrange page (to make the display area bit more flexible) and I may consider carrying Live all the way to final arrangement & mixing.

]]> By: Andrew Benson http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/comment-page-1/#comment-766666 Andrew Benson Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:08:35 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/#comment-766666 Yes, I agree that there are specific features of Pluggo that people will still want, no matter how awesome M4L is. The Pluggo egg-sliders won't be present in M4L, but you will have automateable Live-style UI objects and Presentation Mode. No messing around with "pp" or "plugconfig" objects. Beyond that, there are some performance optimizations and interface features (Live API stuff and sample-accurate automation, for example) that we can add due to the integration with Live that wouldn't be possible using VST/RTAS/AU specs. Also, because this is a long-term partnership, M4L isn't vulnerable to unexpected changes to VST, RTAS, or AU specs. Yes, I agree that there are specific features of Pluggo that people will still want, no matter how awesome M4L is. The Pluggo egg-sliders won’t be present in M4L, but you will have automateable Live-style UI objects and Presentation Mode. No messing around with “pp” or “plugconfig” objects. Beyond that, there are some performance optimizations and interface features (Live API stuff and sample-accurate automation, for example) that we can add due to the integration with Live that wouldn’t be possible using VST/RTAS/AU specs. Also, because this is a long-term partnership, M4L isn’t vulnerable to unexpected changes to VST, RTAS, or AU specs.

]]> By: Create Digital Music » Cycling ‘74 Reveals Max For Live: Make Max Patches that Integrate with Ableton http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/comment-page-1/#comment-766477 Create Digital Music » Cycling ‘74 Reveals Max For Live: Make Max Patches that Integrate with Ableton Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:58:00 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/#comment-766477 [...] Max For Live is Max In Live: MSP, Jitter, OSC, and All; The Open Source Side? [...] [...] Max For Live is Max In Live: MSP, Jitter, OSC, and All; The Open Source Side? [...]

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/comment-page-1/#comment-765445 Peter Kirn Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:44:10 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/max-for-live-is-max-in-live-msp-jitter-osc-and-all-the-open-source-side/#comment-765445 @Andrew: Wait a minute here. The Pluggo functionality is by definition different from M4L. Does M4L include support for Pluggo's interface panels in the same way? I'm assuming if people are asking for Pluggo, too, that they a) want support for old Pluggo stuff and b) want support in hosts that aren't Ableton Live. ;) @Andrew: Wait a minute here. The Pluggo functionality is by definition different from M4L. Does M4L include support for Pluggo’s interface panels in the same way?

I’m assuming if people are asking for Pluggo, too, that they a) want support for old Pluggo stuff and b) want support in hosts that aren’t Ableton Live. ;)

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