Comments on: Democrats, Republicans Join to Ban Arts Stimulus, Declare Arts Worker Jobs Not “Real” http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/02/12/democrats-republicans-join-to-ban-arts-stimulus-declare-arts-workers-jobs-not-real/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:22:57 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: redundant http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/02/12/democrats-republicans-join-to-ban-arts-stimulus-declare-arts-workers-jobs-not-real/comment-page-1/#comment-799053 redundant Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:24:22 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=5066#comment-799053 we'll give $10 to every other industry, some of which will have no real economic benefit, but we'll make sure to give those arts people 25 cents, because it is such a trivial sum of money for what would equate to building and stocking 1 museum, that people would notice and think it to be the worst thing wrong with the 1,150 page stimulus bill that didn't even get read by congress before it was passed. we’ll give $10 to every other industry, some of which will have no real economic benefit, but we’ll make sure to give those arts people 25 cents, because it is such a trivial sum of money for what would equate to building and stocking 1 museum, that people would notice and think it to be the worst thing wrong with the 1,150 page stimulus bill that didn’t even get read by congress before it was passed.

]]> By: Democrats, Republicans Join to Ban Arts Stimulus, Declare Arts Worker Jobs Not “Real” http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/02/12/democrats-republicans-join-to-ban-arts-stimulus-declare-arts-workers-jobs-not-real/comment-page-1/#comment-796498 Democrats, Republicans Join to Ban Arts Stimulus, Declare Arts Worker Jobs Not “Real” Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:04:09 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=5066#comment-796498 [...] READ THE FULL STORY [...] [...] READ THE FULL STORY [...]

]]> By: yapruder http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/02/12/democrats-republicans-join-to-ban-arts-stimulus-declare-arts-workers-jobs-not-real/comment-page-1/#comment-792181 yapruder Sat, 14 Feb 2009 03:05:33 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=5066#comment-792181 Mode writes >>the distinction between art and entertainment has always seemed slightly absurd to me. << John Cage is not the same as Britney Spears, though he did have a cute smile. :-) Mode writes
>>the distinction between art and entertainment has always seemed slightly absurd to me. <<

John Cage is not the same as Britney Spears, though he did have a cute smile.
:-)

]]> By: yapruder http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/02/12/democrats-republicans-join-to-ban-arts-stimulus-declare-arts-workers-jobs-not-real/comment-page-1/#comment-792177 yapruder Sat, 14 Feb 2009 03:03:36 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=5066#comment-792177 Sorry comment still not intact, here is the cut portion, >>the distinction between art and entertainment has always seemed slightly absurd to me.<>the distinction leads to this idea that “art” is some sort of elitist, fringe activity with little or no value to most people in mainstream society<< Exploring the frontiers is of the utmost value, I wonder why that is so difficult to communicate. Sorry comment still not intact, here is the cut portion,

>>the distinction between art and entertainment has always seemed slightly absurd to me.<>the distinction leads to this idea that “art” is some sort of elitist, fringe activity with little or no value to most people in mainstream society<<

Exploring the frontiers is of the utmost value, I wonder why that is so difficult to communicate.

]]> By: yapruder http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/02/12/democrats-republicans-join-to-ban-arts-stimulus-declare-arts-workers-jobs-not-real/comment-page-1/#comment-792175 yapruder Sat, 14 Feb 2009 03:00:52 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=5066#comment-792175 My comment came thru broken, trying again: Mode writes >>the distinction between art and entertainment has always seemed slightly absurd to me.<>the distinction leads to this idea that “art” is some sort of elitist, fringe activity with little or no value to most people in mainstream society<>because a lot of people would see value in “entertainment” but not “art,”<< Because of gratification? People blame the apparent inscrutability of art on the artist, but it is really lack of exposure, experience, education. Even the idea that good art is supposed to "knock your socks off," makes the mistake of equating art appreciation with thrill seeking, whereas the vital function of art is more subtle, nuanced and, more importantly, cumulative. My comment came thru broken, trying again:

Mode writes
>>the distinction between art and entertainment has always seemed slightly absurd to me.<>the distinction leads to this idea that “art” is some sort of elitist, fringe activity with little or no value to most people in mainstream society<>because a lot of people would see value in “entertainment” but not “art,”<<

Because of gratification? People blame the apparent inscrutability of art on the artist, but it is really lack of exposure, experience, education.
Even the idea that good art is supposed to “knock your socks off,” makes the mistake of equating art appreciation with thrill seeking, whereas the vital function of art is more subtle, nuanced and, more importantly, cumulative.

]]> By: yapruder http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/02/12/democrats-republicans-join-to-ban-arts-stimulus-declare-arts-workers-jobs-not-real/comment-page-1/#comment-792172 yapruder Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:58:40 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=5066#comment-792172 Mode writes >>the distinction between art and entertainment has always seemed slightly absurd to me.<>the distinction leads to this idea that “art” is some sort of elitist, fringe activity with little or no value to most people in mainstream society<>because a lot of people would see value in “entertainment” but not “art,”<< Because of gratification? People blame the apparent inscrutability of art on the artist, but it is really lack of exposure, experience, and education. Even the idea that good art is supposed to "knock your socks off," makes the mistake of equating art appreciation with thrill seeking, whereas the vital function of art is more subtle, nuanced and, more importantly, cumulative. Mode writes

>>the distinction between art and entertainment has always seemed slightly absurd to me.<>the distinction leads to this idea that “art” is some sort of elitist, fringe activity with little or no value to most people in mainstream society<>because a lot of people would see value in “entertainment” but not “art,”<<

Because of gratification? People blame the apparent inscrutability of art on the artist, but it is really lack of exposure, experience, and education.
Even the idea that good art is supposed to “knock your socks off,” makes the mistake of equating art appreciation with thrill seeking, whereas the vital function of art is more subtle, nuanced and, more importantly, cumulative.

]]> By: The Culture Wars are back: bill to ban art funding • The Villamil Organization http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/02/12/democrats-republicans-join-to-ban-arts-stimulus-declare-arts-workers-jobs-not-real/comment-page-1/#comment-792025 The Culture Wars are back: bill to ban art funding • The Villamil Organization Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:07:05 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=5066#comment-792025 [...] over at Create Digital Music has an extremely important post on the ban on art funding tacked onto the stimulus bill. Basically, the proposed bill not only removes $50 million for the [...] [...] over at Create Digital Music has an extremely important post on the ban on art funding tacked onto the stimulus bill. Basically, the proposed bill not only removes $50 million for the [...]

]]> By: mode http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/02/12/democrats-republicans-join-to-ban-arts-stimulus-declare-arts-workers-jobs-not-real/comment-page-1/#comment-791905 mode Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:36:08 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=5066#comment-791905 the distinction between art and entertainment has always seemed slightly absurd to me. there is plenty of artistry in a great piece of entertainment, and most great art is essentially entertaining (or if you prefer, compelling). besides that fact that it's basically incorrect, the distinction leads to this idea that "art" is some sort of elitist, fringe activity with little or no value to most people in mainstream society. hence the current debate. because a lot of people would see value in "entertainment" but not "art," tying the two together not only helps sell people on the merits of arts funding, but also correctly frames art in more populist light. the distinction between art and entertainment has always seemed slightly absurd to me. there is plenty of artistry in a great piece of entertainment, and most great art is essentially entertaining (or if you prefer, compelling).

besides that fact that it’s basically incorrect, the distinction leads to this idea that “art” is some sort of elitist, fringe activity with little or no value to most people in mainstream society. hence the current debate.

because a lot of people would see value in “entertainment” but not “art,” tying the two together not only helps sell people on the merits of arts funding, but also correctly frames art in more populist light.

]]> By: Jon http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/02/12/democrats-republicans-join-to-ban-arts-stimulus-declare-arts-workers-jobs-not-real/comment-page-1/#comment-791580 Jon Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:04:59 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=5066#comment-791580 To be honest I'm not really angry about bailouts and funding as much as I am the lack of respect. I make my living (and support a family) as an artist. If this isn't a real job and doesn't contribute to society in any way then maybe I should be tax exempt. To be honest I’m not really angry about bailouts and funding as much as I am the lack of respect. I make my living (and support a family) as an artist. If this isn’t a real job and doesn’t contribute to society in any way then maybe I should be tax exempt.

]]> By: DGillespie http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/02/12/democrats-republicans-join-to-ban-arts-stimulus-declare-arts-workers-jobs-not-real/comment-page-1/#comment-791508 DGillespie Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:04:34 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=5066#comment-791508 I don't think it's about funding per se, but the connotations that come with the the legislation. It's kind of surprising and very scary to me that the arts are being vilified in this way, though I suppose they may be having a similar conversation on a golf blog somewhere. More importantly, it's surprising to me to see the entire democratic caucus get rolled so hard core by 2 republican senators. I'm not huge fan of the democrats or republicans, but several months ago the democrats won landslide elections both branches of government that we voted for, but they still have no backbone. It's disgusting. I'm sorry to get overly political as I know the isn't a political (or even US) blog. But I think Peter's right and this ties into the running problem that our culture doesn't value art right now. I think that shows up in congressmen vilifying artists, and people pirating music and movies. We need to find a way to change that in our culture. I don’t think it’s about funding per se, but the connotations that come with the the legislation. It’s kind of surprising and very scary to me that the arts are being vilified in this way, though I suppose they may be having a similar conversation on a golf blog somewhere.

More importantly, it’s surprising to me to see the entire democratic caucus get rolled so hard core by 2 republican senators. I’m not huge fan of the democrats or republicans, but several months ago the democrats won landslide elections both branches of government that we voted for, but they still have no backbone. It’s disgusting.

I’m sorry to get overly political as I know the isn’t a political (or even US) blog. But I think Peter’s right and this ties into the running problem that our culture doesn’t value art right now. I think that shows up in congressmen vilifying artists, and people pirating music and movies. We need to find a way to change that in our culture.

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