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	<title>Comments on: Loops for Real Drummers: Musicianship, Technology Don&#8217;t Have to Compete</title>
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		<title>By: QuickSound</title>
		<link>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/02/24/loops-for-real-drummers-musicianship-technology-dont-have-to-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-807057</link>
		<dc:creator>QuickSound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The advances in drum software like Superior 2.0 and BFD now mean you can learn to play on a fairly cheap electronic kit at home and have it sound like the finest studio kit (with the benefit of midi-editing for when you suck!). We&#039;ve never had it so good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The advances in drum software like Superior 2.0 and BFD now mean you can learn to play on a fairly cheap electronic kit at home and have it sound like the finest studio kit (with the benefit of midi-editing for when you suck!). We&#8217;ve never had it so good!</p>
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		<title>By: foosnark</title>
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		<dc:creator>foosnark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that as &quot;Drumming can be a distraction from music making.&quot; :D

Seriously though, I admire a good drummer.  I&#039;m more than half decent with hand percussion, but sit me in front of a kit and it&#039;s hopeless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that as &#8220;Drumming can be a distraction from music making.&#8221; :D</p>
<p>Seriously though, I admire a good drummer.  I&#8217;m more than half decent with hand percussion, but sit me in front of a kit and it&#8217;s hopeless.</p>
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		<title>By: Loops for Real Drummers: Musicianship, Technology Donâ€™t Have to Compete</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: (noou)</title>
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		<dc:creator>(noou)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s great!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhm, actually as a guitar player i find drumming to be the most challenging part of crating a project, however looping is a good alternative for us non drummers to learn certain things about rhythms etc.
I truly admire drummers and the rhythmic mystery they introduce to songs, in fact it can BREAK or MAKE a song.

However im no a swiss army knife, and i do find loops a good kick start to learn rhythms though i rarely use ready made loops in my songs, some times i use one and edit it to suit my needs but i also take notice of the certain variables used in a beat to learn something from it, and apply it in my own variable way.

Im not a drummer obviously so i wont judge, but i think drummers learns &quot;melodic&quot; theory to just like we learn rhythmic theory , and they/we both become  better musicians that way.

I think we have to let go of the individualism in music, a guitar player might be a guitar player but i don&#039;t mind learning other instruments that are equally hard to master in a  theoretical way, and executing them in a mediocre way, instead of a crapy way.

I find it exciting anyway, i remember 10 years ago everyones position in a band were more restricted anyway,and now you are one step closer to be a one man &quot;army&quot; anyway.

I ultimately think this creates better musicians in the long run, despite what the &quot;pop&quot; trend might be now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm, actually as a guitar player i find drumming to be the most challenging part of crating a project, however looping is a good alternative for us non drummers to learn certain things about rhythms etc.<br />
I truly admire drummers and the rhythmic mystery they introduce to songs, in fact it can BREAK or MAKE a song.</p>
<p>However im no a swiss army knife, and i do find loops a good kick start to learn rhythms though i rarely use ready made loops in my songs, some times i use one and edit it to suit my needs but i also take notice of the certain variables used in a beat to learn something from it, and apply it in my own variable way.</p>
<p>Im not a drummer obviously so i wont judge, but i think drummers learns &#8220;melodic&#8221; theory to just like we learn rhythmic theory , and they/we both become  better musicians that way.</p>
<p>I think we have to let go of the individualism in music, a guitar player might be a guitar player but i don&#8217;t mind learning other instruments that are equally hard to master in a  theoretical way, and executing them in a mediocre way, instead of a crapy way.</p>
<p>I find it exciting anyway, i remember 10 years ago everyones position in a band were more restricted anyway,and now you are one step closer to be a one man &#8220;army&#8221; anyway.</p>
<p>I ultimately think this creates better musicians in the long run, despite what the &#8220;pop&#8221; trend might be now.</p>
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		<title>By: SoundDesignTutorials.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoundDesignTutorials.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic blog!  Gonna have to throw this one on the blogroll when I get a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic blog!  Gonna have to throw this one on the blogroll when I get a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stk:
Yeah, I agree. On the other hand, it&#039;s kind of interesting to me as a composer/music lover that there are people out there who *don&#039;t* know how to play the drums creating things that sound sort of like drums. So you have, as often with electronic music, a quasi-real musical world -- an imaginary realm that isn&#039;t totally made up but might not be possible in the real world, either.

That said, learning to play something helps. And aside from kit, there are many other forms of percussion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stk:<br />
Yeah, I agree. On the other hand, it&#8217;s kind of interesting to me as a composer/music lover that there are people out there who *don&#8217;t* know how to play the drums creating things that sound sort of like drums. So you have, as often with electronic music, a quasi-real musical world &#8212; an imaginary realm that isn&#8217;t totally made up but might not be possible in the real world, either.</p>
<p>That said, learning to play something helps. And aside from kit, there are many other forms of percussion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stk</title>
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		<dc:creator>stk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice find.
Such a common question on forums (&lt;i&gt;how do I make my drums sound more natural?&lt;/i&gt;). I always answer - learn how to play the drums.

Doesn&#039;t need to be a big deal, nor require space, money and understanding/deaf neighbours - even fingertapping on yr rubber midified pad of choice will do - and the understanding of how a real human approaches drums is invaluable (even if you&#039;re not necessarily after &quot;natural&quot; sounding beats).

It&#039;s also a great lesson in micro-arranging. The standard drumkit is actually a mini percussion orchestra containnig at least 5 unique instruments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice find.<br />
Such a common question on forums (<i>how do I make my drums sound more natural?</i>). I always answer &#8211; learn how to play the drums.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t need to be a big deal, nor require space, money and understanding/deaf neighbours &#8211; even fingertapping on yr rubber midified pad of choice will do &#8211; and the understanding of how a real human approaches drums is invaluable (even if you&#8217;re not necessarily after &#8220;natural&#8221; sounding beats).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a great lesson in micro-arranging. The standard drumkit is actually a mini percussion orchestra containnig at least 5 unique instruments.</p>
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		<title>By: ronnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan is doing a lovely job with this blog. Sharing both the info and the goods, thumbs up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan is doing a lovely job with this blog. Sharing both the info and the goods, thumbs up!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Farr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Farr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wicked!
Ta</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wicked!<br />
Ta</p>
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