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	<title>Comments on: Live Artists as Free Ableton Live Artist Packs, Via Puremagnetik</title>
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		<title>By: poopoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>poopoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire source code for the Kim Cascone track BlueCube is available in the Csound Book.  The track is a text book of old school computer sounds so having the source code is interesting.    

Yes please to PD and CSound content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire source code for the Kim Cascone track BlueCube is available in the Csound Book.  The track is a text book of old school computer sounds so having the source code is interesting.    </p>
<p>Yes please to PD and CSound content.</p>
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		<title>By: Loopy C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loopy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter said:&quot;How about a Pd Pack or Csound Kit - anyone?&quot; &amp;&quot;Wonder how many people feel the same way?&quot;

Indeed, count me in...I think of it as a &#039;virtual&#039; apprenticeship or mentoring, to &#039;walk in another artist&#039;s shoes&#039; so to speak. To work within the constraints of someone else&#039;s toolbox has the potential to lead to many new ideas and inspirations, especially in more experimental genres and sounds. 

Homework from the &#039;University of the Virtual Universe&#039;, without the work :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter said:&#8221;How about a Pd Pack or Csound Kit &#8211; anyone?&#8221; &amp;&#8221;Wonder how many people feel the same way?&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, count me in&#8230;I think of it as a &#8216;virtual&#8217; apprenticeship or mentoring, to &#8216;walk in another artist&#8217;s shoes&#8217; so to speak. To work within the constraints of someone else&#8217;s toolbox has the potential to lead to many new ideas and inspirations, especially in more experimental genres and sounds. </p>
<p>Homework from the &#8216;University of the Virtual Universe&#8217;, without the work :)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Kassen. On the other hand, &quot;kit&quot; also implies some assembly, which I rather like. :)

I will be talking a lot more about SuperCollider code next month with all the SC events happening, hope to make a few of those.

You know, honestly, I&#039;d be happy to pay a few dollars for things even in those communities -- and would be even more likely to pay if they were released under free licenses, even though theoretically that would mean you wouldn&#039;t have to pay. Wonder how many people feel the same way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Kassen. On the other hand, &#8220;kit&#8221; also implies some assembly, which I rather like. :)</p>
<p>I will be talking a lot more about SuperCollider code next month with all the SC events happening, hope to make a few of those.</p>
<p>You know, honestly, I&#8217;d be happy to pay a few dollars for things even in those communities &#8212; and would be even more likely to pay if they were released under free licenses, even though theoretically that would mean you wouldn&#8217;t have to pay. Wonder how many people feel the same way?</p>
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		<title>By: Kassen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All of this is well and good, but being, erm, me, Iâ€™d love to see more oddball stuff, too. How about a Pd Pack or Csound Kit - anyone?&quot;

I think that&#039;s actually fairly normal in those scenes; patches represent a enormous data compression (compared to straight recordings); a hour long generative piece might still be suitable for attaching to a email if send in text format.

Examples that come to mind are Jan Punter&#039;s &quot;noodles&quot;; Clavia G2 patch files meant to be listened to as musical pieces, the pop-music generating SC code Nick Collins published or the library of pieces and techniques that comes with the CSound handbook.

I think I&#039;d argue that sharing tools/techniques/sounds is actually more normal in those scenes than it is around Ableton Live but it&#039;s also typically less formal. We could speculate that this might be the result of open source culture as opposed to the commercial product that Ableton is. Then again; maybe such systems have a tendency to blur the line between what is merely a demonstration of a technique, what&#039;s a instrument and what should be a considered a complete work on it&#039;s own. This might make those things less likely to be presented as a &quot;kit&quot;? I also think a &quot;kit&quot; implies the user will only have to interact with it creatively and that most of the technical details have been taken care of, this might make such presentations less likely in scenes where the technical details and creativity are more closely connected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All of this is well and good, but being, erm, me, Iâ€™d love to see more oddball stuff, too. How about a Pd Pack or Csound Kit &#8211; anyone?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s actually fairly normal in those scenes; patches represent a enormous data compression (compared to straight recordings); a hour long generative piece might still be suitable for attaching to a email if send in text format.</p>
<p>Examples that come to mind are Jan Punter&#8217;s &#8220;noodles&#8221;; Clavia G2 patch files meant to be listened to as musical pieces, the pop-music generating SC code Nick Collins published or the library of pieces and techniques that comes with the CSound handbook.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;d argue that sharing tools/techniques/sounds is actually more normal in those scenes than it is around Ableton Live but it&#8217;s also typically less formal. We could speculate that this might be the result of open source culture as opposed to the commercial product that Ableton is. Then again; maybe such systems have a tendency to blur the line between what is merely a demonstration of a technique, what&#8217;s a instrument and what should be a considered a complete work on it&#8217;s own. This might make those things less likely to be presented as a &#8220;kit&#8221;? I also think a &#8220;kit&#8221; implies the user will only have to interact with it creatively and that most of the technical details have been taken care of, this might make such presentations less likely in scenes where the technical details and creativity are more closely connected.</p>
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		<title>By: Dragoljub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dragoljub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, it would be nice to be able to get patches and/or ableton live projects of our favorite artists. Music does not have to be linear anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, it would be nice to be able to get patches and/or ableton live projects of our favorite artists. Music does not have to be linear anymore.</p>
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