Comments on: Updated Novation ReMOTE SL Line, and the Controller Keyboard Battle Heats Up http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:02:47 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Aj http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-923173 Aj Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:53:07 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/#comment-923173 Exactly Stiltskin. The whole beauty of these keyboards is that they automatically label the knobs for you - electronically. No more little sticky labels, or hastily-made, software dependent cardboard "templates." Let's face it - if you don't know what a knob does, most users don't USE that knob. The display fixed that. But now... they neutered it. Weird thinking. Boggles the mind. Exactly Stiltskin. The whole beauty of these keyboards is that they automatically label the knobs for you – electronically. No more little sticky labels, or hastily-made, software dependent cardboard “templates.”

Let’s face it – if you don’t know what a knob does, most users don’t USE that knob. The display fixed that. But now… they neutered it. Weird thinking.

Boggles the mind.

]]> By: Stiltskin http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-896669 Stiltskin Sun, 17 May 2009 11:10:31 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/#comment-896669 They removed one display!? Great, just when I had decided to switch my Korg KONTROL49 for a 61SL they redesign it for the worse. The two displays were the whole point. I use the KONTROL49 for Reason where I can see all parameter names in the displays, but the faders and rotaries share displays which is annoying so I was looking forward to having separate displays for faders/rotaries. IDIOTS! Bye bye Novation, don't let the door hit you on the way out of my wallet from which you return empty handed. They removed one display!? Great, just when I had decided to switch my Korg KONTROL49 for a 61SL they redesign it for the worse. The two displays were the whole point. I use the KONTROL49 for Reason where I can see all parameter names in the displays, but the faders and rotaries share displays which is annoying so I was looking forward to having separate displays for faders/rotaries. IDIOTS! Bye bye Novation, don’t let the door hit you on the way out of my wallet from which you return empty handed.

]]> By: matt http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-882829 matt Fri, 01 May 2009 08:45:40 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/#comment-882829 I'm pretty sure ALL Ableton features *ARE* backward compatible. (apart from LEDS of course ;-) #3: a quick count of SLMkII adds up to about 150 LEDs AND a really big display. The monome as 64 LEDS only ;-) I think the Axiom pro has about 15 user LEDS? ..hmmmm #4 The touch sense shows the Last control you touch highlighted on the Novation LCD screen. #5 The Korg displays are RRrraaaaabbiisssh ;-) I’m pretty sure ALL Ableton features *ARE* backward compatible. (apart from LEDS of course ;-)

#3: a quick count of SLMkII adds up to about 150 LEDs AND a really big display. The monome as 64 LEDS only ;-) I think the Axiom pro has about 15 user LEDS? ..hmmmm

#4 The touch sense shows the Last control you touch highlighted on the Novation LCD screen.

#5 The Korg displays are RRrraaaaabbiisssh ;-)

]]> By: ZERo http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-870480 ZERo Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:39:46 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/#comment-870480 Totally agree with Andy. I am happy with my MCU and 003 for a long time to come. :) Totally agree with Andy. I am happy with my MCU and 003 for a long time to come. :)

]]> By: Andy http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-859136 Andy Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:33:29 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/#comment-859136 If these had motorized faders they'd be nearly perfect. If these had motorized faders they’d be nearly perfect.

]]> By: lee http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-858754 lee Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:28:46 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/#comment-858754 Yeah yeah, this is all well and good, but Novation needs to stop dicking around and release the Remote SL Audio already, or an X-Station with automap. Yeah yeah, this is all well and good, but Novation needs to stop dicking around and release the Remote SL Audio already, or an X-Station with automap.

]]> By: Peter Kirn http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-856024 Peter Kirn Sun, 05 Apr 2009 04:05:04 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/#comment-856024 @matt / wasili: Hmmm, I do have to say, though, given a roughly equivalent control layout, I'll be really, really disappointed if the new Ableton mode features don't get back-ported to the original SL -- even if there have to be some subtle compromises. #1 - yeah, absolutely, what you get here is generally more feedback which is *huge* playing live. #3 - uh, yes and no. The monome is also bus-powered. #4 - you mean the new Live 8 feedback, or the screen on the Novation? #5 - actually, the Korg microKONTROL / KONTROL 49 had in-line display with the controls *before* the Novation and I think is still available. The problem is, that keyboard and pads didn't feel as good as even the old Novation. ;) @matt / wasili: Hmmm, I do have to say, though, given a roughly equivalent control layout, I’ll be really, really disappointed if the new Ableton mode features don’t get back-ported to the original SL — even if there have to be some subtle compromises.

#1 – yeah, absolutely, what you get here is generally more feedback which is *huge* playing live.

#3 – uh, yes and no. The monome is also bus-powered.

#4 – you mean the new Live 8 feedback, or the screen on the Novation?

#5 – actually, the Korg microKONTROL / KONTROL 49 had in-line display with the controls *before* the Novation and I think is still available. The problem is, that keyboard and pads didn’t feel as good as even the old Novation. ;)

]]> By: matt http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-855132 matt Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:19:12 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/#comment-855132 A few key issues here to mention from witnessing a demo. 1) Using the old ReMOTE SL25 you didn't know if a button was acutally ON/OFF without assigning it to the display. Now you can see ALL button states :-) 2) There is a Dedicated Ableton live mode written BY Ableton themselves and is Massively improved in Live 8 to allow you to re-asign the plug- parameters and browse devices. Talk about freeign yourself from the screen for live use. 3) The SLMkII lights up like a christmas tree and STILL can be powered by USB! ...that's some deisgn challenge (APC40 is MAINS powered only) 4) When you touch a fader the screen automatically flips and draws a highlight around the controls you are touching. 5) This is STILL the only keyboard with a display like that (ie in line with the eight controls) unless I have missed something? M A few key issues here to mention from witnessing a demo.

1) Using the old ReMOTE SL25 you didn’t know if a button was acutally ON/OFF without assigning it to the display. Now you can see ALL button states :-)
2) There is a Dedicated Ableton live mode written BY Ableton themselves and is Massively improved in Live 8 to allow you to re-asign the plug- parameters and browse devices. Talk about freeign yourself from the screen for live use.
3) The SLMkII lights up like a christmas tree and STILL can be powered by USB! …that’s some deisgn challenge (APC40 is MAINS powered only)
4) When you touch a fader the screen automatically flips and draws a highlight around the controls you are touching.
5) This is STILL the only keyboard with a display like that (ie in line with the eight controls) unless I have missed something?
M

]]> By: kj http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-854769 kj Sat, 04 Apr 2009 03:30:06 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/#comment-854769 While this does appear to be a step up, it's surprising that no one seems to have a problem with the 25 key limit. That's the thing that makes this entire class of controllers a pain to me. I got a 25SL compact for live work because it will fit inside a standard rack. I'd buy one or two of the new ones if they'd move the wheels up and add another handful of keys while keeping the footprint the same. While this does appear to be a step up, it’s surprising that no one seems to have a problem with the 25 key limit. That’s the thing that makes this entire class of controllers a pain to me. I got a 25SL compact for live work because it will fit inside a standard rack. I’d buy one or two of the new ones if they’d move the wheels up and add another handful of keys while keeping the footprint the same.

]]> By: wasili http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/comment-page-1/#comment-853415 wasili Fri, 03 Apr 2009 08:39:49 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/01/updated-novation-remote-sl-line-and-the-controller-keyboard-battle-heats-up/#comment-853415 and let's not forget the ABLETON MODE on the zero sl mk2:developed in collaboration with the awesome Abes......curious how that works. although i will probably choose the akai apc-40 instead of this,since i already have a remote sl 37 and a nocturn.... now all i need is max for live........ and let’s not forget the ABLETON MODE on the zero sl mk2:developed in collaboration with the awesome Abes……curious how that works.
although i will probably choose the akai apc-40 instead of this,since i already have a remote sl 37 and a nocturn….
now all i need is max for live……..

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