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	<title>Comments on: TUIO Multitouch for iPhone: Browser App Hack Replaces Rejected App</title>
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		<title>By: memo</title>
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		<dc:creator>memo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Peter, thanks for the post again ;)

Just a quick note, I really do think Apple just didn&#039;t realize what the app (msaremote) did. When I&#039;d submitted the app there were no videos demonstrating it (though I did send them example clients, maybe they couldn&#039;t figure it out). I&quot;m going to resubmit the app sometime this week when I get a chance, with more documentation and links to the videos, and hopefully it will be approved this time - I&#039;ve also added a bunch of buttons and sliders, so should have a bit more than &#039;minimal functionality&#039; :P

On a slightly different note, I think the &quot;It&#039;s Apple&#039;s App Store, they can do whatever they like, and have every right to reject apps they don&#039;t like&quot; attitude does make perfect sense, and I do agree with it. It is their app store, if they don&#039;t wanna host and distribute my app, fair enough. &lt;b&gt;BUT&lt;/b&gt; if they don&#039;t wanna host my app, then they should bloody well let me host and distribute it through my own site! I&#039;m not pissed off that Apple won&#039;t allow my app on the app store, I&#039;m pissed off that Apple won&#039;t allow me to legally distribute my app to other people &lt;b&gt;at all&lt;/b&gt;.

And to all those who kept suggesting cydia: for this particular app, it defeats the purpose. MSARemote was partially intended for people visiting installations/concerts/events etc. So they could download a free app, and participate. Limiting the participation to jailbroken phones only sucks.

P.S. what Andy&#039;s done sounds awesome, can&#039;t wait to try it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Peter, thanks for the post again ;)</p>
<p>Just a quick note, I really do think Apple just didn&#8217;t realize what the app (msaremote) did. When I&#8217;d submitted the app there were no videos demonstrating it (though I did send them example clients, maybe they couldn&#8217;t figure it out). I&#8221;m going to resubmit the app sometime this week when I get a chance, with more documentation and links to the videos, and hopefully it will be approved this time &#8211; I&#8217;ve also added a bunch of buttons and sliders, so should have a bit more than &#8216;minimal functionality&#8217; :P</p>
<p>On a slightly different note, I think the &#8220;It&#8217;s Apple&#8217;s App Store, they can do whatever they like, and have every right to reject apps they don&#8217;t like&#8221; attitude does make perfect sense, and I do agree with it. It is their app store, if they don&#8217;t wanna host and distribute my app, fair enough. <b>BUT</b> if they don&#8217;t wanna host my app, then they should bloody well let me host and distribute it through my own site! I&#8217;m not pissed off that Apple won&#8217;t allow my app on the app store, I&#8217;m pissed off that Apple won&#8217;t allow me to legally distribute my app to other people <b>at all</b>.</p>
<p>And to all those who kept suggesting cydia: for this particular app, it defeats the purpose. MSARemote was partially intended for people visiting installations/concerts/events etc. So they could download a free app, and participate. Limiting the participation to jailbroken phones only sucks.</p>
<p>P.S. what Andy&#8217;s done sounds awesome, can&#8217;t wait to try it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweet Multi touch visualization hack for 4-20 &#124; As Seen Through PeriVisioN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweet Multi touch visualization hack for 4-20 &#124; As Seen Through PeriVisioN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: martin brinkmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin brinkmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the song is of course &quot;little fluffy clouds&quot; by &quot;the orb&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the song is of course &#8220;little fluffy clouds&#8221; by &#8220;the orb&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: vitamon_k</title>
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		<dc:creator>vitamon_k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know the name of that song?  I can&#039;t for the life of me remember.</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should note, as well, the video above is something you CAN&#039;T HAVE. That&#039;s using the app Memo built that Apple rejected. You can get close with this browser app, but it&#039;s still frustrating. 

My point is, I expect that we will see some experiments just using the browser on all platforms. And you can imagine that gets especially interesting on gaming platforms, which have *truly* restrictive app processes. But even on something like the Android, on which is is very easy to load an app, you might still have something that worked fine in the browser -- and then that single webpage could also work with other mobile devices with similar browsers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should note, as well, the video above is something you CAN&#8217;T HAVE. That&#8217;s using the app Memo built that Apple rejected. You can get close with this browser app, but it&#8217;s still frustrating. </p>
<p>My point is, I expect that we will see some experiments just using the browser on all platforms. And you can imagine that gets especially interesting on gaming platforms, which have *truly* restrictive app processes. But even on something like the Android, on which is is very easy to load an app, you might still have something that worked fine in the browser &#8212; and then that single webpage could also work with other mobile devices with similar browsers.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tobamai: Apple requested additional documentation, including a demo, which he sent (see the video above). I mean, this is the problem I have -- the process isn&#039;t documented, there aren&#039;t clear policies, and apparently Apple is of the opinion that they know better than the developers. Otherwise they&#039;d fix this. 

The application itself is written to Apple&#039;s specifications, it follows policies for the store, and he provided copious documentation of what it was. So to me, it&#039;s the process that&#039;s borked.

That said, I suspect if someone submitted something similar it might indeed get in, just because the handful of apps falling through the cracks seem to be doing so arbitrarily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tobamai: Apple requested additional documentation, including a demo, which he sent (see the video above). I mean, this is the problem I have &#8212; the process isn&#8217;t documented, there aren&#8217;t clear policies, and apparently Apple is of the opinion that they know better than the developers. Otherwise they&#8217;d fix this. </p>
<p>The application itself is written to Apple&#8217;s specifications, it follows policies for the store, and he provided copious documentation of what it was. So to me, it&#8217;s the process that&#8217;s borked.</p>
<p>That said, I suspect if someone submitted something similar it might indeed get in, just because the handful of apps falling through the cracks seem to be doing so arbitrarily.</p>
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		<title>By: tobamai</title>
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		<dc:creator>tobamai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that apple wouldn&#039;t approve the original app because they didn&#039;t understand it&#039;s merit or purpose for the end-user. If I&#039;m wrong... well, the rest of this post is pretty useless ;)

Has anyone considered packaging the iphone OSC client with a desktop-side visual demo so that the folks at apple see a &quot;complete package&quot; that has purpose and novelty for the end-user? The real gold would still be sending OSC to whatever you want by run software other than the demo. But to get it into the app store, include a demo so they see what it&#039;s about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that apple wouldn&#8217;t approve the original app because they didn&#8217;t understand it&#8217;s merit or purpose for the end-user. If I&#8217;m wrong&#8230; well, the rest of this post is pretty useless ;)</p>
<p>Has anyone considered packaging the iphone OSC client with a desktop-side visual demo so that the folks at apple see a &#8220;complete package&#8221; that has purpose and novelty for the end-user? The real gold would still be sending OSC to whatever you want by run software other than the demo. But to get it into the app store, include a demo so they see what it&#8217;s about.</p>
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		<title>By: SkyRon™</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkyRon™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just what I needed to see today - -great work, Andy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just what I needed to see today &#8211; -great work, Andy!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you happen to be in San Francisco, I will be talking about this app and some of my other work with the iPhone on Thursday night at the PygameSF meeting (http://www.pygamesf.org/?p=152). The meeting will be at the San Francisco Public Library, starting at 6PM. As an added bonus for CDM readers, Bret Truchan will also be at the meeting talking about using the Nintendo DS as a musical platform. If Bret&#039;s name sounds familiar, it might be because he&#039;s the creator of the very popular GlitchDS, which has been covered on CDM a few times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you happen to be in San Francisco, I will be talking about this app and some of my other work with the iPhone on Thursday night at the PygameSF meeting (<a href="http://www.pygamesf.org/?p=152" rel="nofollow">http://www.pygamesf.org/?p=152</a>). The meeting will be at the San Francisco Public Library, starting at 6PM. As an added bonus for CDM readers, Bret Truchan will also be at the meeting talking about using the Nintendo DS as a musical platform. If Bret&#8217;s name sounds familiar, it might be because he&#8217;s the creator of the very popular GlitchDS, which has been covered on CDM a few times.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK OK OK...
Now, I am OFFICIALLY buying an Iphone!!!

This APP ROCKS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK OK OK&#8230;<br />
Now, I am OFFICIALLY buying an Iphone!!!</p>
<p>This APP ROCKS!!!</p>
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