Comments on: How Propellerhead’s New “Ignition Key” Authorization for Record Works http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/ The latest gear, software, and techniques for electronic music production and performance Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:02:47 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Joe otis http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/comment-page-2/#comment-992633 Joe otis Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:22:56 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/#comment-992633 I have a question, if anyone can answer this. Can the ignition key be copied to another usb flashdrive? I have a question, if anyone can answer this. Can the ignition key be copied to another usb flashdrive?

]]> By: Triniti http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/comment-page-2/#comment-992289 Triniti Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:22:00 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/#comment-992289 Happy Bunny your comment is understood but does not apply to those with laptops and only 3 usb ports! Happy Bunny your comment is understood but does not apply to those with laptops and only 3 usb ports!

]]> By: Happy Bunny http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/comment-page-2/#comment-987540 Happy Bunny Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:59:03 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/#comment-987540 A lot of fuss about nothing, my ignition key is in a spare port on my second monitor and I don’t give it a second thought. But maybe that’s because I bought the software, and am not scouring the internet for a crack for a copy downloaded from Rapidshare or similar. Oh and I bought the software because it is well thought out, excellently designed and brilliantly implemented. Oh and pretty damn cheap compared to other audio software. A lot of fuss about nothing, my ignition key is in a spare port on my second monitor and I don’t give it a second thought. But maybe that’s because I bought the software, and am not scouring the internet for a crack for a copy downloaded from Rapidshare or similar.
Oh and I bought the software because it is well thought out, excellently designed and brilliantly implemented. Oh and pretty damn cheap compared to other audio software.

]]> By: Jo Kerr http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/comment-page-2/#comment-986743 Jo Kerr Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:22:19 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/#comment-986743 Oh dear. I got all excited about Record, and lo and behold they f*ck it up by adding a dongle. From years of Cubase hell I know that dongles are a pain. So what happens if your about to play a gig and your lose your dongle? Cancel that gig. Or playing at a gig and some drunk bumps your lappy and snaps your dongle? Apologise and go home. Oh dear. I got all excited about Record, and lo and behold they f*ck it up by adding a dongle. From years of Cubase hell I know that dongles are a pain.
So what happens if your about to play a gig and your lose your dongle? Cancel that gig.
Or playing at a gig and some drunk bumps your lappy and snaps your dongle? Apologise and go home.

]]> By: Triniti http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/comment-page-2/#comment-982423 Triniti Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:38:25 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/#comment-982423 In addition to my post...the dongle would only need to be plugged in to transfer licenses to the manager then can be up plugged and no longer needed untill new software is purchased! Its like Ilok with out having to have the ilok plugged in at all times. As for me because there is no such Protection method i will use the iphone for my internet. So i can buy record as soon as ATT makes tethering ready ( and no u cant tether yet using 3.1 of the iphone ) Unless Im missing something In addition to my post…the dongle would only need to be plugged in to transfer licenses to the manager then can be up plugged and no longer needed untill new software is purchased!

Its like Ilok with out having to have the ilok plugged in at all times.

As for me because there is no such Protection method i will use the iphone for my internet.
So i can buy record as soon as ATT makes tethering ready ( and no u cant tether yet using 3.1 of the iphone ) Unless Im missing something

]]> By: Triniti http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/comment-page-2/#comment-982422 Triniti Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:31:54 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/#comment-982422 One thing that no one is accualy speaking of is that if you use the internet method this means that the internet needs to be present for launching the Software but how many places have internet allways avaible at all time and for free? Now one option is via Bluetooth from the Iphone provided that AT&T get the darn thethering option working. you can then tehther your laptop to the iphones 3g or edge connection and then supply the net feed needed for accesing the software. This is the best solution being that you dont need to use up a usb port and this way its ur own internet and you take it with you and control the usage. If you dont want to use up alot of MB from tethering ( AT&T has a 5 GB limit ) you can just enable tethering to launch record and then close it when record is launched. If you need to re load Record just reenable tethering. But being that the pc is not downloading anything its just connected you can leave tethering connected but dont download anything have no browswers open and have all blockers and firewalls enabled to block the possibilty of spam and the possibility of getting hit with a MB load. Its as if Propeller head assumes that the internet is in all places and is free. they also assume that everyone that uses Records will be mostly Desktop users but in the videos they show a laptop user! Did they not look into the fact that CUBSE NUENDO PRO TOOLS USE USB DONGLES AND MOST LAPTOPS ONLY HAVE 3 USB PORTS. Now we can get a HUB but most dongles dont want to be plugged into the hub. The best Copy protection is to use a Dongle that does not need to be plugged in for the sofrware to load rather to transfer the license to a license manager that knows all the licenses loaded from the Dongle and loads the software with out the dongle but the manager becomes the "dongle" and the manager uses the dongle for its list of Authorised applications and this type of dongle would not be so darn fat in the booty but sleek and not long. 75% less the size of a USB memory stick so that when its pressed in its very close to the surface of the laptop so the pertrusion is minimal. As for me this whole Dongle issue is a deal killer for me as I am based on a laptop. So I will wait for a new version of record that does not have this limitation One thing that no one is accualy speaking of is that if you use the internet method this means that the internet needs to be present for launching the Software but how many places have internet allways avaible at all time and for free?

Now one option is via Bluetooth from the Iphone provided that AT&T get the darn thethering option working. you can then tehther your laptop to the iphones 3g or edge connection and then supply the net feed needed for accesing the software. This is the best solution being that you dont need to use up a usb port and this way its ur own internet and you take it with you and control the usage.
If you dont want to use up alot of MB from tethering ( AT&T has a 5 GB limit ) you can just enable tethering to launch record and then close it when record is launched. If you need to re load Record just reenable tethering.
But being that the pc is not downloading anything its just connected you can leave tethering connected but dont download anything
have no browswers open and have all blockers and firewalls enabled to block the possibilty of spam and the possibility of getting hit with a MB load.

Its as if Propeller head assumes that the internet is in all places and is free.
they also assume that everyone that uses Records will be mostly Desktop users but in the videos they show a laptop user!
Did they not look into the fact that CUBSE NUENDO PRO TOOLS USE USB DONGLES AND MOST LAPTOPS ONLY HAVE 3 USB PORTS.
Now we can get a HUB but most dongles dont want to be plugged into the hub.
The best Copy protection is to use a Dongle that does not need to be plugged in for the sofrware to load rather to transfer the license to a license manager that knows all the licenses loaded from the Dongle and loads the software with out the dongle but the manager becomes the “dongle”
and the manager uses the dongle for its list of Authorised applications
and this type of dongle would not be so darn fat in the booty but sleek and not long.
75% less the size of a USB memory stick
so that when its pressed in its very close to the surface of the laptop so the pertrusion is minimal.

As for me this whole Dongle issue is a deal killer for me as I am based on a laptop.
So I will wait for a new version of record that does not have this limitation

]]> By: 007 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/comment-page-2/#comment-971515 007 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:45:08 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/#comment-971515 well they have come a long way from rebirth mods now they have dongle keys well done propeller head you have now lost any respect i had for your souls , you can all burn in hell as far as im concerned you fucking wasted the digital rack concept i think they added an arpegiator in version 4 :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO thats fucking horrendous i had one in the 80s Jesus Christ someone tell these fuck heads straight WE ARE NOT STUPID WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR CHILDISH DUPLO TYPE CRAP YOU GREEDY POUND SIGN EYED FUCK HEADS. well they have come a long way from rebirth mods now they have dongle keys well done propeller head you have now lost any respect i had for your souls , you can all burn in hell as far as im concerned you fucking wasted the digital rack concept i think they added an arpegiator in version 4 :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO thats fucking horrendous i had one in the 80s Jesus Christ someone tell these fuck heads straight WE ARE NOT STUPID WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR CHILDISH DUPLO TYPE CRAP YOU GREEDY POUND SIGN EYED FUCK HEADS.

]]> By: Andy http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/comment-page-2/#comment-966034 Andy Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:44:19 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/#comment-966034 @Gary I fully support that sentiment. I am a pirate, and will continue to be a pirate as a result of this. As a 16 year old kid living on £45 a week in a flat but attending a music production college I think I was one of the few people out there that was qualified to say he had no choice but to pirate, and although in the near future when I have acquired the right to get a job, (my country's equivalent of a green card still hasn't arrived for me yet), I was going to start by buying Reason and the other apps I use. If Propellerhead decide to go ignition key for everything, I, and everyone else who doesn't want DRM on thier PCs (Starforce games anyone?) will download the pirated version that doesn't require the key or an internet connection. @Gary I fully support that sentiment.

I am a pirate, and will continue to be a pirate as a result of this.

As a 16 year old kid living on £45 a week in a flat but attending a music production college I think I was one of the few people out there that was qualified to say he had no choice but to pirate, and although in the near future when I have acquired the right to get a job, (my country’s equivalent of a green card still hasn’t arrived for me yet), I was going to start by buying Reason and the other apps I use.

If Propellerhead decide to go ignition key for everything, I, and everyone else who doesn’t want DRM on thier PCs (Starforce games anyone?) will download the pirated version that doesn’t require the key or an internet connection.

]]> By: Gary http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/comment-page-2/#comment-961539 Gary Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:45:40 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/#comment-961539 I've used reason and rebirth for many years as a paying customer and I am very excited about Record... very excited indeed. Unfortunately, I will NOT support the use of DRM, Dongles and software which can screw me over when I've booked expensive room time or am on the road with no reliable internet connection. If reason5 is DRM'd I *will* pirate for the first time in my life. I shall almost certainly be pirating 'Record' and I don't feel guilty. Propellerheads are obviously making enough money to pull off some impressive R&D and coding *despite* widespread piracy... all this is doing is squeezing the last drops from the market at the expense of the legitimate end user, not the pirates. And this *will* be broken, as *every* DRM so far appears to have been. Seriously, I'm increasingly seeing the pirates P.O.V. Propellerheads are on the verge of losing my custom completely in the next release of reason I fear. Shame that, but paying for this would be like being arrested and expected to pay for the use of the handcuffs. I'm a propellerheads fan because they make my work EASIER... if they start hampering me they lose. Ignition key my ar5e! Gary I’ve used reason and rebirth for many years as a paying customer and I am very excited about Record… very excited indeed.

Unfortunately, I will NOT support the use of DRM, Dongles and software which can screw me over when I’ve booked expensive room time or am on the road with no reliable internet connection.

If reason5 is DRM’d I *will* pirate for the first time in my life. I shall almost certainly be pirating ‘Record’ and I don’t feel guilty.

Propellerheads are obviously making enough money to pull off some impressive R&D and coding *despite* widespread piracy… all this is doing is squeezing the last drops from the market at the expense of the legitimate end user, not the pirates.

And this *will* be broken, as *every* DRM so far appears to have been.

Seriously, I’m increasingly seeing the pirates P.O.V. Propellerheads are on the verge of losing my custom completely in the next release of reason I fear.

Shame that, but paying for this would be like being arrested and expected to pay for the use of the handcuffs.

I’m a propellerheads fan because they make my work EASIER… if they start hampering me they lose.

Ignition key my ar5e!

Gary

]]> By: peter http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/comment-page-2/#comment-958766 peter Sun, 02 Aug 2009 09:53:12 +0000 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/12/how-propellerheads-new-ignition-key-authorization-for-record-works/#comment-958766 re noise is 40 quid if i was getting into music production the guy will be implementing a piano roll soon and other very interesting features anyway its a god application up there with able ton reason was good once they have just fallen behind dsp wise i look forward to seeing reason 5 if they haven't pulled there socks up dsp wise i wont be buying. seems lk a big rip off to me for what they give you coupled with the wait forever application updates re noise is 40 quid if i was getting into music production the guy will be implementing a piano roll soon and other very interesting features anyway its a god application up there with able ton reason was good once they have just fallen behind dsp wise i look forward to seeing reason 5 if they haven’t pulled there socks up dsp wise i wont be buying. seems lk a big rip off to me for what they give you coupled with the wait forever application updates

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