News about maxforlive and ms.pinky maxmsp object integration.

http://www.mspinky.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=921&highlight=

Work is done. I still need a Job, thanks.

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but for years, i wanted to get into ableton, ever since version 3 i wanted to really get into this program. not because of the looping abilities, because in all honesty i dont like making “BOOM BOOM 4/4 music” (although i have tried) and dont like the fact that a lot of people used only the session view and even that people think that this program is for kids.

But what i liked about getting into and first knowing ableton was the simplicity of it, no built in plugins taking up all the desktop space, the very nice easy way of routing signals both audio and midi.
and plain and simple graphics, no spit polish.
Plus, when you get under the hood of ableton it really is a bog program. Operator for one is huge, it doesn’t look much, but always think ‘dont judge a book by its cover’

but dont get me wrong, i was always a logic pro user, since the very early pc (urgh!) versions. and had stayed a loyal user to logic 8, i hate pro tools, dp is ok and everything else seems not that good for what i wanted. logic seemed the path for me, because of the midi and cool synths.
but when i finally made to plunge to buy live suite 7, 2 months or so before the release of live suite 8. (i got the free update and collision :) its great)
i do feel i have made the right move in the field of software.

one other reason which did push me over the edge to get live was max for live. i already had max, i really wanted to get in live since the very early versions. so this gave me a great excuse to get it.
i cant wait to get my hands on it.

i am sad for other users, yes. because this means that most people who made a living off of building plugins with max, now have to look for another.
and also those people who did buy max 5 in the hope of pluggo will be the ones who will probably turn there back on cycling ‘74.

cycling ‘74, will be going under the worst though, because they had to make this very big decision. and it is a big decision to make, cutting out plugin development for other hosts. thats huge. they must of got some many complaint letters about this. and most likely lost many users because of it, which is sad.
but i do think that in the long run, this is a good decision. maybe for some people it is not because you use logic, dp, pro tools etc.
but when you think about it, how many hours went into just the keeping up of pluggo for max 4, to cater to every host. it is a big job. too big of a job.

but if they point all there abilities to a certain platform, it will be more manageable for them. they can spend more time developing max 5 more, to be faster etc.
i am not trying to make excuses for them. but do feel, even if i was not an ableton user, still feel that they made the right decision.

now bring on max for live…

I want to add a couple of points. First, I never got far with Pluggo, and would much rather see Max patches able to be converted to AU and VST plugins.

Second, I am always frustrated by the fact that Max itself supports VST, but not AU.

Third, none of that matters too much because I usually do as Peter suggested and route audio and control data between applications on a regular basis. These days, there are so many ways to do things, and most of them are very functional.

My tool of choice for inter-app audio routing is Soundflower (mac only)–I’ve never had any trouble with it, and it meets my needs quite nicely. I have never felt like I need to use rewire, Jack, or wormhole, although I can imagine I would if I want to route more than 16 channels from place to place.

Peter, I’m part of the small percentage who has not gotten around to using Live yet–but I’m sure it won’t be long now. I’ve just had plenty of other things to keep me busy!

Wasting their time on making eye-candy GUI (which force you to use newer graphic card) is not enough. Good bye Max/MSP/Jitter

REAPER plug-in Extensions are additional components which can add functionality to REAPER. These plug-ins are not plug-ins in the traditional “DAW” sense of plug-ins, in that they are not “Effect” plug-ins, but rather can do many of the following things:
Add support for reading/writing audio file types
Add support for external control surfaces (MIDI or otherwise)
Add support for importing other project formats
Add audio editor support for filetypes
Access many services provided by REAPER, including audio file read/write, audio hardware access, samplerate conversion, pitch shifting/time stretch, etc.
Many other things
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Cycling74 can save their development time if they co-operate with Cockos, but they chose to work with a loop-base DAW in with a company faraway in Germany.

thought since i’d found this i should share it:

http://www.cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&goto=146725&rid=0&S=88c8cd6a59a7131a41368d9626c83eff

a converter that makes your max 5 patches into max 4.6 ones so you can redo the interface (painful) and make a vst (also painful..)

bizarrely enough it’s written in supercollider.. but it worked well for me once i figured it out.

They are positioning in a market place. The costumers like you must choice between maxmsp 5 or leaving it for something like CS, PD, SC, Reaktor…

And about AU support… well this is Apple propietary solution… Why any developer must to integrate inside its develops? VST is standard nowadays… Don’t blame cycling’74, look at apple without firewire… (and firewire itself)

You have a lot of truth in your dissappointing but you have a lot of power as a consumer choise.

Time to make communities, community for ableton+maxforlive users, community for non-ableton+maxmsp users…

PD, SC, CS, … users!

Creative explosion is near…

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