Record Interface

What do you really want from a recording tool on a computer? The Digital Audio Workstation answer to that question has for years been on giving you a generalized set of tools that try to anticipate every possible need. The “workstation” approach puts a whole bunch of functionality in one place, in particular adding features like plug-in hosting for supporting third-party effects and instruments, video editing and scoring, and music notation.

Record is a different animal: it’s a specialized tool focused on making music with audio, instead of a generalized tool. Reason has focused on synths, with a distinctive set of hardware-styled modules in a virtual rack. Record focuses on sound, with a distinctive set of hardware-styled modules in a virtual rack. Get it?

What’s left out is important. There’s no plug-in support, but by limiting use to the internal sound modules, Record is entirely agnostic about things like sample rate and can be far more flexible with modular audio routing and fluid tempo changes. (There’s also no MIDI out support, but if you’re looking to sequence external hardware, I might look elsewhere, anyway – especially with gems like Numerology out there.) Record also supports ReWire and has various export features, so the assumption is that – as with Reason – when you really want plug-ins, you can use your existing environment of choice.

Maybe you can call the results a DAW, if you really want to. But the one thing that isn’t debatable: Record is Reason for sound.

CDM was first with the official story from Propellerhead over the weekend, talking about the philosophy behind Record. Now we can talk about the specifics inside – and I have a test version here I’ve been working with while on the road.

Basically, Record combines comp-based recording with Reason-style racks and a whole load of goodies for processing and mixing your sound, including Line 6 guitar effects and an emulated SSL mixing desk. Why am I excited to begin working with it? Basically, it’s what happens when you flip the Record interface around. The most important screenshot (see any of these shots bigger by clicking on them):

Record Rack Backside

Here’s what you get:

  • All about “Record”ing – with comps: As the name implies, the real soul of Record is recording. Comping is built in from the beginning so that you get a take you want, and each track even includes an integrated tuner by default. This is really a tool that assumes you’re actually one person plugging in an instrument and playing.
  • Music and tempo-based sound: “Tempo-independent” audio is almost the reverse of what this is. When you record sound, the idea is that you always have some musical information in mind – beats and bars. Record lets you then change the tempo of that audio fluidly, without ever having to think about warping or slicing or markers or loops or anything like that. Propellerhead says they’re especially proud of the audio quality of the stretching algorithm working behind the scenes to make these changes sound good, which is what we’re already hearing (unofficially, of course) from beta testers in comments and elsewhere.
  • Tempo changes: Unlike other tools that have focused on DJ-style or electronica-style master tempo, Record assumes fluid changes in tempo from version 1.0. There’s always a “conductor” track, a main tempo lane, which can have subtle, curved tempo changes (accel./rit.). When you export your audio, that information is exported as MIDI, so this musical information travels with you to other tools.
  • An integrated recording/mixing/arrangement environment: This is the one DAW-like part of Record, though it still feels more like Reason than anything else. Each track gets three things: a channel routed into the mixer, an individual device module you can insert into the rack (as in Reason), and a sequencing lane for MIDI and audio.
  • Sequencing: This is the most traditional part of Record – you do get conventional sequencer lanes. Clips can arbitrarily contain audio, MIDI, and automation data. The important thing to note is that, because Record doesn’t support plug-ins, you can count on consistent integration of automation – if there’s a knob in a module, you can automate it in the sequencer, just as in Reason.
  • Hardware-style mixing: No software-style mixer here: the mixer inside Record is a direct simulation of hardware, not a loosely-inspired emulation. The Record mixer is modeled after an SSL 9000k analog mixing desk, so that it intends to look, work, and sound like the real thing. (SSL was not officially involved, so you’ll just have to count the Propellerheads as SSL fans.)
  • Reason-style effects: In addition to the mixer, you get Reason-style modules for EQ, dynamics, and other effects.
  • Line 6 guitar effects: Line 6’s virtual POD is built in, so you get their guitar amps and cabinets built in. I’m guessing those should be quite nice with keyboards, too.

Record Sequencer

Arrangement: Looking at the birds-eye view, Record does admittedly look like a DAW. But dig in a little bit to how these modules work, and there’s more Reason DNA than anything else. It’ll be interesting to work with these modules over the coming months. Also, most important to recognize is that when you see audio in Record, it will always obey tempo changes you make, including gradual speed increases and decreases – no warping or slicing required. When you do want to slice up audio, you could, say, drop Record as a ReWire client into an Ableton Live set, or even export your audio with tempo changes from Record as one track and put your sliced audio in a different rack.

RecordMixingConsole

The mixing desk:

The thing is, it’s not so much what Record does as what it does in a Reason-style way. So while this is a preview, not a review, here’s what makes Record more like Reason:

reasonmodulemenu

For Reason users, this one image pretty much sums everything up. The workflow is still essentially a Reason workflow – if you love that, you’re likely already salivating. If not, it’ll likely take more convincing from the other aspects of the tool.

  • Every track is a rack: Each time you create a track, you get a modular rack, which translates to the inserts you see in the mixer. For advanced users, this means you can do anything with routing you want. You get a full-blown rack on each track, with all the usual goodies for routing. For beginners, it means you can call up easy presets for whatever you’re doing, and the parameters show up as plain-English knobs in the mixer. You don’t have to think about routing or what everything represents; you just focus on sound. For beginners and advanced users, the ability to “see” all of this routing with virtual cables and such means sophisticated mixing and routing setups aren’t quite so abstract.
  • It’s a Reason interface: Everything looks and feels like Reason, even with a much more involved UI. All the new views continue on the theme of adjustable navigation panes. These views either get combined into a single-window interface, or can be detached if you’d prefer. But there are almost no dialog boxes, with one notable exception:
  • You get Reason patches and patch browsing, for audio: Reason users will feel right at home, as Record extends the patch browsing metaphor from Reason. And because track effects inserts use what are essentially Combinators, those inserts just feel like Reason devices inside a mixer.
  • Reason + Record: If you have Reason, you have access to all your Reason modules. And since Record has a big Reason rack – well, you get the idea. Instead of recording inside Reason, what Reason users get is Reason inside a bigger version of Reason that understands not only recording, but mixing and audio arrangement, and treats audio like music, with tempo.
  • ReWire: Record is a ReWire client (slave), not a host (master). That should be your first clue Propellerhead aren’t trying to replace Pro Tools, Live, and Logic. But it does mean you could easily use, say, Record for recording purposes on your own, then drop it into a Pro Tools session in the studio, or Record to do some song-writing that you then bring into an Ableton live PA or remix set.
  • Reason-style automation and control. Most notably, this is the first audio production tool I’ve seen that was set up from the beginning to be used with keyboards, as Reason was. It’s funny: right now, M-Audio are pitching using a keyboard to control Pro Tools with their Axiom Pro / HyperControl product. This essentially goes the other way: like Reason, Record uses the “Remote” protocol, which was effectively the first to “automap” your keyboard controller and control surface to the software. That means you can comfortably produce an entire work from your keyboard, while adding guitar or vocals as an audio recording.
  • Oh yeah, it’ll be fun even if you only use synths: In case you haven’t guessed already, for Reason users, this means mixing and processing and arrangement tools that weren’t available before, so even if you never hook up a mic to Record, I imagine you could use almost all of these tools. (Only the tuner and audio comps become redundant.)

rack

It’s really the relationship of the device rack to the mixer and tracks in Record that make it unique, and will be fun to explore over the coming months. When you create devices and Combinators, you can easily see them in the mixer and track sections. Sends are named as the actual sound parameter, too. Because it doesn’t support plug-ins, that also means you never have to worry about the way parameter names are handled in formats like VST, though you can always return to your favorite host when you do want plug-ins since Record is also a ReWire client.

line6

Line6 guitar and bass amps are available out of the box as insertable modules. This is all you need for the interface: it’s aggressively simple.

patchwindow

The patch window will look familiar to Reason users. But if you’re new to this, what it means is that you can easily surf through, say, Line 6 guitar presets and hear immediately what they sound like.

So, what does the music sound like? Josh Mobley via Twitter tells us about his official demo song, “Push Me Down,” made in Record for Propellerhead. All the songs in the embedded player below were made in Record, with the exception of “Narrow Escape,” the demo for Reason 4.


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About that Dongle

The other bit of news – and the one item that’s likely to be most divisive – is that Propellerhead is changing the authorization scheme in Record, as explained here:

Ignition Key

The good news: “demo” mode / non-authorized mode is actually only “open”-disabled. You can even save files in the demo; you just can’t open existing files. The Ignition Key comes free with the tool rather than being a separate purchase as with some iLok products, and if you lose or break it, a replacement is available for a nominal fee. (Some manufacturers actually have the gall to charge for the full purchase price of the product or close to it, which is utterly ridiculous.) Also, if you don’t want to use the key, there is an Internet authorization.

The bad news: it is still a dongle. Internet authorization requires a consistent connection while you’re working; the moment that’s dropped, the software reverts to demo mode. I would personally much rather have seen one-time Internet authorization as is available from Ableton and Native Instruments, among others, especially as Record would be fun to use on a bus or train without plugging in a dongle. Propellerhead say they’ve put some thought into this and wanted to do copy protection right, but I expect they’ll hear about it anyway.

The one upside I do see is for people who use a lot of machines (like myself, for one). You can use just the dongle without any other authorization, and you can use it on as many machines as you want. So that means you can move from a studio to a Mac laptop to a PC laptop to a netbook just by moving your dongle around, and never have to fill out a registration form or worry about if you’ve run out of authorizations.

Also, I’d suggest that people use this as an opportunity to freely try the demo without any annoying limitations and decide if you like the tool before you buy it.

Availability / pricing

Beta testing is starting now, today – sign-up at the site below.

September 9, 2009 is the official release date.

Suggested retail: US$299, EUR299. No word yet on what bundles will be available for existing or new Reason users, but Propellerhead says that it will have special bundle pricing of some kind.

Videos and more info at:

www.record-you.com

It’s been a long, long wait for side-by-side Reason and audio racks and recording in Reason, but there’s no question that this is a big announcement.

Since many of you will be beta-testing this alongside me, I look forward to hearing your opinions of the tool and any tips or techniques you discover.

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I specifically bought Record because I liked the Reason interface. Using my synth and workstation was my pain purpose of getting this and guess what, I can't do much without midi output. Really Propellerhead?? Really??? Rage?? Don't buy this trash.

WOW NO MIDI OUTPUT WOWWW WHY DID I BUY THIS. I am very disappointed as a strong Reason user.

pickupok said-"I’ve tried the demo for a few days, just to check it out, and it feels like… like walking around in a recording studio in a burka…"

Classic. That made me laugh. Also very true. I beta tested Rec*** and it's cumbersome. Sure getting recording is easy but when you want to start editing or adding effects? Time to whip out the manual.

Most DAWs have a workflow similar to a mixer. Auxiliary sends, inserts, busses. If any of that is a part of record it's a disjointed part of the menu system. Yes record has menus too but they are built into the racks.

I suppose if you're a die hard reason user great but if you've spent any time with a console and patchbay, it's like confining your view of the console to a 4 inch square lcd or as pickupok called it "walking around in a recording studio in a burka".

Need Crackers pleaseeeee to make emulator key ignition thanks

I've tried the demo for a few days, just to check it out, and it feels like... like walking around in a recording studio in a burka... You can only see a small rectangle and have to constantly move around to see where things are, even if they're right next to you. No good. Terribly claustrophobic.

From the philosophical point of view I just can't see the point in using software to reproduce the burden of hardware.

First off, I agree with the last post by MUDI!

Having had a few days with record now I can safely say its a lovely, hassle free environment to work in. I use many different pieces of software and plugins to write my music, and I believe its important to have a variety of work environments to keep your musical ideas fresh and interesting. I use Logic pro, Live, metasynth and reason all at once on occasions or separately on others, what record has given me is a new playground to put down creative ideas quickly, hell I bounced out audio from logic just to mix down in the record mixer and its just so fluid and sounds great. Like peter has said many times in these comments, variety and choice is a good thing, and as for the Dongle...i have a usb Port in my mac keyboard i almost never use, its no biggy! I also work on a laptop when Im away and a dongle just makes things easier with authorisation. I understand peoples gripes with usb space but the internet authorisation to me seems ok and fair, like many have said; reason is a heavily pirated software and it does effect Prop. There losing money which not only limits them to what they can put out but also the development of pre-existing software, if your moaning about lack of support for reason and questioning if there will be any support for it now that record has come along: PAY FOR IT and prop may invest money and time to make it even better!

Bought Record about two months ago, and so far over Pro-Tools and Cakewalk this is easy for anyone to set up and get right in the software. It sounds clear no getting lost trying to assign audio cards this that and the other. I understand that there are no Plug-in's "yet" Reason has left room to add more rack mounts more synth style modulars and effects. If you understand Reason you will get this! If you are a MAC Pro-tools junkie forget it. This is straight forward-start your recording now. I can't tell you how many times I have played with bands and the majority of the time is dicking around with the sound-cards for Pro-tools and Sonar, this is annoying as hell. As far as the Donggle Dingle key that is good, it keep people from stealing the software. I can't tell you how many people I know have hacked a copy of Reason. So good for propellerhead, I recomend this for people who don't have to rely on dumming up their sound with plug-ins. If your a true synth or keyboard player you will understand that any sound can be achieved in Reason if you know what you are doing. Now all you auto tune hacks might as well stay with your Pro-tools cause I don't see any plug-ins for this in the near future.

SANTI - I guess you need to come to this site and bitch because you regret spending so much time and money on Logic Pro. How about you just head on over to http://discussions.apple.com where some other wax head may be interested in your tripe.

I have the same question as Annatar:

I have a microKorg. Can I use some sounds from that keyboard in my recordings using Reason 4 or Record???

I have to record them as audio if I understand right???

Just purchase a copy, virtualize the app and the environment it is running in, or just virtual the environment once the dongle is installed! It may get a little annoying having to run the virtualized application before you run RECORD, but you will have a full blown, working copy.

ppl plz stop arguing record is simply for players and who wants to plug in mess around with effects and record not for moby wanna beeeee s helllooooo thats why propellerheads is calling it simply record,i ve used them all u name it cubase, nuendo, protools le reaper DP logic and all the vst and vsti s u can think off since 96 im recording on computers and a/v is what i do fr living and any music geek is welcome to challenge me on the knowledge data base frm a sofware creating a true headroom to digital sqeeks, since i live in pakistan and piracy is like paris hiltons sex tape :) i can get anything i dont even have to make an effort to find a torrent and download there are actually professionals frm whom u can get anything 1 dvd 500 pak rupees like 6 to 7$ so plz i doubt it if anyone has used more softwares living in the west but record made me think to buy it cause i felt i should own it althogh i ve the reason 4 and all refills already but record changed it all and im not saying because it cannot be cracked pplz PPLRHDZ dont mind it but some **** will be on it somewhere in the world as we speak and sooon it will be all over torrents sometime i think to make piracy almost eliminate the pricing of these products shld be so low tht i would think hey lets buy it what the heck i mean comeon i read this research where its mentioned that every copy sold there are as many as 50 copies pirated so helllo just think and sell in large numbers i meant u guys spent on research and all but after that its a a copy to copy on a disk ...anyway the sad part it i cant even buy it as i live in pakistan and its not available here and the dhl alone will cost me 108 ridiculas dollars plus the price so i guess i just hv to wait before somebody cracks it , but ppl if u want to the next beatles to hendrix to vangelis for that matter record will help u get that natural stimulated adrilanin rush while ur making ur music belive me i use to get that with my guitar an amp and a tascam 4 track tape

shut up

record will rule thank u propellersheads for making the art of making music artistic again

faisal k aka ratiug reyalp

LOL @ sunahura... your right SSL is the ish. But Record can't touch it either. I would love to hear an A/B comparison of this to the SSL plugs from waves. Lets not get carried away. This software is not the PT/Logic/SSL4000(waves vst) killer that you are implying it is...

Had to have it. Logic is nice, but the learning curve is steep. I've had it a while and I'm still learning it. Being an Old School Analog Guy, this thing is just what I was looking for. Looks and acts just like a real studio, right down to buttons and wires! Gotta love it. It took long enough to learn recording the old way. No relearning here.

I don't have a DAW, I just built a jampad, I have reason 2.5

I paid $150 and got upgraded to reason 4.0 PLUS got Record....

I don't care about other plug ins as I have none

this is a great deal and very powerful for me

I'm stoked!

Why are so many people complaining about something that's so great, do you know what an ssl board is?, there aint nothing touching it, protools can't touch it, and forget plugins, every plug-in was trying sound like an ssl board, DUH!, propellerhead is a company that makes stable platforms, so bye bye plug ins, I got plenty. With a pro high definition sound card, you might have a reason to get a record deal. SSL is what make records sound like records and coupled with resons engine, this thing got to be killer.

the time stretching feature look pretty sweet. as a musician who likes laying down guitars/keyboards first, i've been waiting for some recording software that would let me easily tweak the tempo after without losing sound quality. downloading demo to try out as i'm typing this. pretty excited.

I love the look of record, and the fact that finally we get to use all our reason gear to record with. What took them so long?

What I would like to know is some suggestions for hardware interfaces which I can use with it. Especially for live recording for several mics. I have an Alesis Multimix firewire - would that work with it? (ie could I make the faders on the multimix control different channels?) What other hardware options are available/recommended?

I will continue with Logic audio.

Record is going to be awesome, all except for the cost... I'll probably illegally download it though, so then its well worth it! Can't wait.

Unfortunatley this is simply a bridging product enabling Propellerhead to obtain an alternate revenue stream whilst avoiding the real issues and shortfalls of the current Reason software. All of the above features could be incorporated into Reason 5 with additional features not added in Record, implemented. I for one would like to see a more comprehensive mixing deck with more effect controls per channel rather than the laborious piggy backing of 1 mixing deck to another. This would be relevant for use in Redrum for example which at present is limited in terms of splitting the signal and effects of each Redrum instrument i.e snare, bass,hit hat etc, etc.This in turn would give muscicians the faith and belief that the Reason series is worth the financial investment rather than seeing a revamped product suffering the same fate as the wave of Windows releases over the last few years...gimmicking the product and it's real relevance to what it is supposed to do in the first place. Liking Reason or Record is one thing...taking the liberty of muscicians using these software for granted and expecting returns on each release is another.Also...Propellerhead...upgrade the GUI please so the software displays better...You've kept to the same old look for ages now. evryone else seem to have moved forward by miles !

Bass Reaktor

I'm loving it! Record is the future of DAW's.

You must remember this is only version 1.0 and you negative airheads are already bashing it.

Why not give it a chance and see what develops.

I've been an diehard Pro Tools user forever, but Props has got a winner here! Be open to something new Digidesign can't always be on top forever. Stop hating and except the fact that Record is just another great way to make your music.

C'mon guys! This is a ridiculous price for a piece of kit that really should have been part of Reason for a long time! Make it £50 and I'l possibly buy it.

I'm really loving this. I've used Cubase, Pro Tools and all the plug-ins imaginable for a long time. Nearly every time I opened my DAW for a session, I wished Reason could record audio to were I could edit everything in one program WITHOUT having to assign every path, device, controller, etc. to mulitiple programs.

Most all of the rack effects in Reason sound as good as the VST's or Pro Tools plug-in's anyway. I think this program will be HUGE and is EXACTLY what I've wanted.

Just get yourself Logic it owns everything else. This program just looks annoying.

salamanderanagram I think you are talking out your ass. Sounds like you only tinker with pirated software. How about you post link to even one song you've mixed? Let's hear what you can do. For those of us that have spent decades using real hardware, Reason is magic. Let's hear you talk about the stability (or the lack thereof) of so many of the DAWs you pirate. I've never seen Reason crash, and that's because they know how to program, QA, & distribute. I hear you say you purchase academic software, so when do you graduate high school? Prove me wrong. Post a link and show us what you can do.

This looks freakin bad! I got reason 1.0 the first week it came out back it 2000. I love this software and I never thought I'd see the day were you can just turn on reason, be making a beat, record guitar put reason effects on it, record vocals put reason effects on it or any thing you want without it being a pain in the butt! Now I can just get down to making music and be inspired instead of feeling like I'm working. And it's got rewire so I can still use my UA plugs when I want!

I have a microKorg. Can I use some sounds from that keyboard in my recordings using Reason 4 or Record???

I have to record them as audio if I understand right???

screw ableton, reason and all other daws out there. im designing the most powerful software that will destroy everything. just wait people.

@ essex sound lab - not all of us want reason to BE Logic. I like reason to be limited specifically because it pushes me to be creative in new ways. I have always felt that creativity is fostered best with limitations. Just my 2cents. I believe in the product and will buy this.

As a Live user (still on 7), there are three essential features that will determine the viability of this product for someone like me:

1. Sound Quality; and

2. Re sampling ease of use.

3. Ability to take audio crated in Live (or any other host) into Record

Sound quality is an obvious consideration. I am interested to hear the SSL emulation. I am more interested, howevever by their fluid approach to audio. If this allows me to take my non-midi analogs and achieve tempo synchronization with acceptable sound quality, I may purchase simply for that reason. Currently, time-stretching options available don't really cut it for me.

Resampling is another big consideration. I make extensive use of the easy way Live handles resampling and importing into it's native samplers and drum plugs. If something similar is possible with Record and Reason, then Reason just became really interesting for me.

Finally, I may be in the minority of users who actually wanted to be able to route audio from Live into Record. On a Mac, I suppose I can always do this with the IAC bus, but ReWire would have made it a more elegant procedure.

All in all, looks good for what it is.

I can easily see a lot of home engineers buying

this for the 9000K console

TO Everyone:

Complaining when something great is improved? Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

The simple fact is VSTs SUCK.

@roly: No problem. =) (By the way... A friend who plays rock take a look at Record and really likes it... Maybe I was wrong, but Record is not for me)

Hey, sorry about the intemperate post above. I don't want to put bad vibes out into the world, nor accuse anyone of anything, and you all have the right to critique anything you want. For my purposes, Record looks to be great, the price is right, there are some cool features (time stretching and a console with built in EQ "knobs" etc. on every channel), and I was very excited to hear about it. Peace.

I love Reason, and hate rewiring in order to add audio to my Reason songs. I will be buying this as soon as it comes out.

When I was growing up even 4-track cassette recorders were prohibitively expensive. We used to record on a garage-sale reel-to-reel with cheap mics and a Casio VL-Tone, flipping between tracks 1/3 and 2/4 to overdub as many times as we could get away with. Nowadays you whiners want your gear to do everything but make your music for you, and still I haven't noticed that music has gotten any better. You don't know how good you have it. I'll be half of you use cracked software anyway -- maybe that accounts for all the complaints about the dongle.

Sorry. I know Reason is a great piece of software, but I deeply dislke Record... I mean Why not put the record thing inside record? Why not VSTi support? Why not midi out? Why put a complex SSL board if Record is for "songwriters"? Maybe the closed thing works fine to PH with Reason, but I think this not work again.

@ Truth Teller: 'if I already have a spftware equivalent that I like, why would you go to lengths to PREVENT me from using it?'

That's a ridiculous statement if I ever heard one. You make it sound as if VSTi compatibility is something that naturally occurs in software and Propellerhead have put time and effort into making sure that it's disabled in Record. Utter nonsense.

And it's also worth noting that Propellerhead have quite clearly defined their market as songwriters. Therefore they have put much effort into making it as quick and simple to start this up and start recording with as little effort as possible. Whilst I can, to some extent, see where you're coming from with the whole mixing desk thing, the fact is that you don't have to know how to use a mixing desk to use the software. You can simply get your sounds down (adjusting the tempo on the fly, which is a seriously useful feature), adjust your levels and you're done. Having said that, most songwriters will probably want to play with their sound further, at which point they can, if they want, turn to the other sections of the mixing desk (which aren't necessarily even visible during normal use) and start to learn what else they can do. A mixing board isn't rocket science, I imagine that most people who have the slightest inclination to adjust their sound will be able to work it out pretty quickly.

Logic Express 8 >>>> ReCord

Hell, in some aspects GarageBand >> ReCord

I don't think PH understand the market they're going for. Is this for songwriters, Reason Users, or other DAW users? You can't say "we've made it simple for songwriters" and then put a full SSL board in there. Because I don't know many songwriters that can or want to know how to mix on an SSL board. And no plug-ins? Isn't it cocky to assume that the only sounds I'll need are the ones you decide to ship with? Yes, yes, I can use outboard hardware, but if I already have a software equivalent that I like, why would you go to lengths to PREVENT me from using it? Add on top of that the draconian copy protection and this is a product in search of a market.

Hi, I found this at the Reaper's forum:

Good morning to anyone up and interested. I am currently using Record Rewired to Steinberg's vstack. My setup consists of two pc's, one for recording,(Reaper), and one as an instrument,ie vsti's vst effects etc. I find that used this way, I can trigger midi instruments from reaper (or whatever) through vstack, into record, add vst effects and record the output via hardware mixer into reaper on my other pc. Sounds like a complicated setup yes?....nah, its a little involved but boy i like how Record is setup. I read all the posts about how its not a DAW, has no vst support yadda yadda, but instead of bashing this new app, i found a way to work around this limitation.

back when my friends and I only had drum machines and turntables, four track cassette recorders, we had to mcguyver alot of shit to make a beat, and for me,even though it took some brainstorming , i found a way to use this app and still have full use of my vst's/vsti's. If anyone out there is interested in trying this, get steinberg's vstack, and Propellerhead's Record. Oh , its not out yet, so dont ask how/where I got it..............

Having read many of the above comments, there's one question on my mind regarding why reason and record are both "closed" formats. I seem to remember speaking with a friend of mine who uses reason a lot for live use, and he suggested that there were certain "corners cut" in the coding in order for it to run so stable and so quick on relatively slow machines. The phrase that's on my mind is "data compression", and I am wondering if that is going on somewhere in the coding, and that they "can't" do some of these things being requested because of it?

Obviously they also wouldn't be too keen to say it openly either, as it doesn't bode too well for sonic excellence...

I would be very interested to hear any reliable feedback on this.

We certainly do live in interesting times, with a huge choice of music software now; and it seems that the big boys are getting some new competition from the likes of programs like reaper and the like. Plus which there's another new DAW from Presonus (Studio One) coming out in august too...

...it will be very interesting to see how this thing plays out...

...It would be great if some of the negatives could be dealt with...especially the dongle thing...it really is the way backwards not forwards. Putting out a great product and inspiring customer loyalty is the best copy protection policy IMHO.

...but back to my main point/question...does anyone know what's really going on "under the hood"??? data compression anyone???

I'm a beta3 tester of Record. Although I love Reason from the start and using it for many years I found Record quite sluggish! The GUI is too heavy! Rack mixer and sequencer takes valuable space, F5, F6, F7 just couldn't work for me.

I'm feeling that this application will let down many people who are waiting like crazy its final release.

THIS IS AWSOME BUT! Can you still not use a VST with reason? I finally made the step from FL to Reason like 3 months ago, however I only stayed in reason for 2 months due to the fact you cant use VST's or sound banks/kits/we you wanna call them only reason specific refills. I have a mega collection of .wav samples and a awsome collection of VSTs including NI Komplete which I refuse to let go to waiste, especially after purchasing an axiom 49. The axiom 49 is the only reason i even stayed in reason longer then a day, it auto mapped almost 100% of diff parameters to diff controls (ie. sliders, knobs, sample pads etc.) and that I loved since I dont know how to MIDI map all that well. Anyways I was getting bored with just the synths and being forced to use redrum when I have battery which I know is 1000x better at least from what I can tell. So Propellerheads thank you but no thank you at least not yet not until you hit the VST compatibility or w/e then I will use nothing but reason

It probably does take more than a day to implement MIDI in something like this, but then it's not like they don't have the resources.

As someone pointed out, you'll still be able to play your keyboard and record that. and many keyboards or midi gear have a step sequencer and arpeggiators, sure. but it's a pain in the ass if you wanted to record your keyboard and be in sync with the BPM of your project, to use LFOs and things like that. A pity.

Wow, this is still raging.

MIDI is fair game for discussion on this site. Not sure where that came from. ;)

No, MIDI doesn't "break portability" - kind of the point of MIDI, yes?

Look, I think they just decided not to work on it. It is NOT as simple as a one day task, because in my experience, the development process for these apps is pretty painstaking for any chance, in terms of build, QA. Sure, YOU could write a little app that does MIDI in a day -- but it's not part of a giant code base, it doesn't have all the UI functional implications it would here, etc.

COULD they do it? Sure. So for whatever reason, they didn't. There's quite a lot they decided not to do, so I think you have to look at that whole list. If you want any of that stuff, there are lots of other software choices out there, so no reason to remain ranting about Propellerhead. Record is clearly not One Tool for All People -- and you may have a point, so maybe MIDI out will show up in 1.1.

@Everyone saying Midi-Out will break project portability:

Reason files already can break project portability. You can go to Reasonstation.net right now and download plenty of users reason files/tracks. If they used a refill that you do not have guess what happens?!?! The song plays without the sounds used in those refills.

This concept that midi-out somehow breaks whats already in reason is crazy.

If the songs author wants you to hear his personal refill sounds he has to lock the reason file and the refill sounds will become part of the file.

What having no midi-out does is prevent you from 'locking' the file. You now aren't able to sequence the external midi-devices and then 'record'/bounce them to the file; which, amusingly, would make the file portable.

i'm getting the impression that i could just use the demo version of record anyway if i wanted to and then just export the sound when i'm done with a session or just leave it open for a few days until i'm done with a project. maybe i'm wrong about that but that's how it seems.

"This blog should be a having a discussion about audio, not MIDI in, out or otherwise."

oh, i'm sorry is this your blog? no? then i guess i'll go on talking about whatever i like until peter asks me to stop.

oh and thanks for implying i don't own a registered version of reason. actually i go to school and get all of that crap dirt cheap.

anyway, you're right, i am complaining about the lack of something that i can already do elsewhere in my setup. it's a pretty simple concept dude, implementing midi should literally take one prop programmer one day to finish... i like to buy things that can communicated with other things, you intentionally cripple your software, i intentionally don't buy it...

go figure.

@Andrw: Would your brother care (or even notice) if Record also had MIDI Out? I'm sure there are features of Reason that he may readily ignore if his goal is simple multi-track recording.

@Everyone: I'm no Reason expert, but wouldn't an ultra-simple solution to the MIDI problem be a MIDI Out device that can be placed in the rack? If you need it, you use it. If you don't, you ignore it. There'd be an extra preferences pane for setting up MIDI interfaces (likely similar to, but simpler than, the pane that must be there for audio interfaces). Again, could be pretty easily ignored by people with no MIDI hardware.

For people worried about project portability, I have two responses:

1. Projects will be tied to the number of audio I/O channels present in the system anyway, so won't be 100% portable.

2. It would seem ultra-trivial to map MIDI tracks to another Reason device if the external hardware wasn't present (or just mute those tracks!).

This really seems like a no-brainer to me.

i'll also recommend it to my guitar playing/drumming/singing/songwriting brother who has not understood any DAWs i've showed him and cant ever rtfm.

at the moment he records to an older yamaha harddisk recorder but i could see the benefits to editing his work on a computer.

this might be the program for him.

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