Photo (CC) Brian Gurrola …and yes, we expect the bit on the right to come into greater focus soon.

The name gives it away: Record is a product based on a feature Reason users have long requested — audio recording. The surprise is, that need has led to an entirely new tool. Instead of just adding a requested feature, the company has revealed that they built a new application, re-examining in the process what recording really means. Internet rumors have been predicting something along these lines. The problem is, rumors can sometimes create distorted expectations. In this case, I think it’s worth taking a closer look, which we’ll be doing over the coming days.

Today, the first audiences of Reason users learned of the tool’s existence at the Producers Conferences events staged around the world. We’ll be able to talk about the details on Monday, but having spoken to Propellerhead co-founder Ernst Nathorst-Böös, I want to at least say that this really is shaping up to be something different.

Record is an audio recording program, says Ernst, but "This program has nothing to do with audio. It’s all about music… We wanted this to be about music making." Record is a piece of software designed around the musical possibilities of recording audio, he explains, emphasizing the actual act of recording and working with sound in ways that are always connected to musical time, beats and bars, and a fluid approach to tempo and tempo changes. It focuses on a single task rather than bundling together lots of tasks.

Most importantly, I am already convinced that Record is not intended to be a DAW, or Digital Audio Workstation – that is, a tool defined by bundling together different functionalities. This sometimes-muddled product category has been created after the fact to describe a certain breed of software, applications like Pro Tools and Logic. DAWs are defined by the way in which they combine a lot of different features, from audio and MIDI to plug-in hosting, mixing, and even video and notation. They’re useful and powerful for many tasks, which accounts for their popularity and staying power. But regular readers of this site are always up for new ideas, and attempts – in all varying degrees of success – to try new directions.

There are many new ideas in musical instruments and effects, but you don’t get entirely new ideas about how to put together a commercial music application very often. Actually changing the mold is a big challenge. Propellerhead’s own Reason and ReBirth, Ableton Live, Image-Line’s Fruity Loops (now FL Studio), and Sonic Foundry (now Sony) Acid all had a big impact on a wide group of computer music makers by effectively changing the mold. (And, of course, with or without big user bases, readers of this site are fans of many lesser-known tools that have done the same.)
We’ll have a number of months to begin to see what Record’s contribution might be. But whether it’s successful or not, the good news today was that, after all this time, Propellerhead isn’t using anyone else’s mold. Tune in Monday for our first look at some of those results, and then be sure to let us know what you think and what you’d like to know down the road.

Note that this is my own personal take. I did run it by Propellerhead, however, so this is not a rumor or leak. Embargo is lifted on the details on Monday, when we’ll be able to actually show images of the software.

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I've been using the Beta of Record for a few days, and I have to say it is absolutely mind-blowing, from what I've seen so far.

There's a steep learning curve, even for someone such as myself who has been programming in Reason for years, there's nothing in Reason 4 I can't figure out, but the addition of the recording tracks within that rack has hugely complicated the process - but in a good way of course!

I've been playing with the realtime vocoder, so you can dial up your carrier track from Maelstrom or Thor or whatever, then just do your Herbie Hancock impressions with a microphone.

It recognises all the Reason refills, as you would expect, and I've had no problem with it instantly seeing my USB keyboard.

There's a disclaimer when you fire up the Beta that it is slower than the final product will be, but I've noticed no sluggish action at all, no spinning pizza wheels here (I'm on Apple OSX, Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM Macbook Pro).

As someone who started way back in '88 working in Cubase on the Atari, I've seen nothing that has excited me this much (in terms of audio sequencing and recording!) since.

Anyone using Reason already will love this.

The downside is that I hear they will be protecting their software via the use of a USB dongle - having been ripped off by the majority of Reason users over the years, you can't blame them.

I don't like having to waste a precious USB port on a copy protection system, but at a recent seminar in London, out of a room of 150 people or so, only myself and my colleague put our hands up when the question was put to the room "how many people have a registered bought and paid for copy?"

So all those Reason users who have up to now been freeloading it will now have to pay up, it seems!!

The inclusion of the Pod series of guitar amp modelling is a good one, and there is also an ID8 series of simplified instruments, can't see why yet, but it might just be a quick way of nailing ideas.

I've a lot to learn from this software, and I'm looking forward to getting properly stuck into it, but so far I can see very little to be critical of.

Reason and Propellerhead have answered their critics and provided a direct audio input system, sure, if you're a Logic expert, or Cubase VST is your main sequencer, you may not want to make the switch, but for anyone who has been using the original solid state electronics for years - Reason/Record and the ability to go round the back and manually wire up weird and wonderful configurations just like the real thing - is for me unbeatable as a studio/sequencer.

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Well, hm, I've been using Reason for years and allways been hoping they would add something like a harddiskrecorder device, or maybe simple audio clips, so you could get audio into reason. And I thought I understood why they never did: because they really wanted to keep the program really simple and fast to use. I thought that was why there was no plug-in support either.

Then came version 4. They made the sequencer as advanced and complex as Cubase/Sonar/Logic and added an allround monster synth, instead of sticking with simple devices for specific purposes.

At last there is audio for Reason. But I guess it's to late and to expensive: Reason 449, - Record 299, - makes 748, -. With such a price it has to compete with all the other DAW's but I fail to see it's edge... Record better has some tricks up it's sleeve, but I found nothing special on the propellerheads website about it, yet...

Bottom line: this guy switched from Reaon to Logic because of Audio, but he certainely won't be switching back to Reason for Record!

Practically all my songs have been initially built in Reason and I have always felt the process get disjointed by the fact that I couldn't seemlessly add my vocal or guitars. Live is great but it takes time to Rewire and by that time the mood is over. I've told friends for years if Reason ever incorporated audio I'm happy to stay exclusively in that environment and use Live for live performance and remixing. Now that is looks like this will come to pass I'm ecstatic! Bottom line I think if you're not already a Reason user you're simply not going to understand the draw.

R

Michael, what are you talking about?

This software supports both Mac and Windows. I'm actually testing it on my Windows box.

i didnt write bustard...........hmmmm!

Bout bloody time!

This has been a much needed upgrade for reason users!

But what about the Mac only support?

Is propellerhead really going to ditch the pc user for this product?

I was only saying over the phone to a musician friend of mine how I’m bored with cubase, and am tired of having to rewire reason in to cubase, just to have a decent mixer.

But the truth is that reasons mixer is a bit of a turd! This is why time and time again I’m forced to rewire. That conversation was what prompted my search for new propellerhead products, ultimately leading me here!

Id rather shaves my balls and dip them in acid, than carry on the way i am.

And from over the horizon rides propellerhead on their white horse. I think it’s about bloody time!! My saviours!! And then the bustards ride straight past me to Mr Mac behind me!!

What the duce!!

I am glad to see the newer mustang or the new version of the VW!!! It may still get you from point A to point B but it is the accoutrements such as seamless Recording conjoined with beautiful GUI without having to use a program like Cubase or Logic etc in tandem or addition. :) I am excited to see what we can do to test such a product as Record to assist in its fruition.

If you use reason this software is great. True its not gonna beat cubase or protools. Its very cpu efficent........and if you already own reason its a way of adding audio. Reason provides a great way to produce tracks...but once you can add your own guitar...or bass line.. or perhaps you want to recod your self quickly without having to open another program?

Now you can. I think its great. And if you dont use reason it would be hard for you to understand this software in simplicity. I have produced some great music with reason. Now that i can add audio and stay in a reason like environment without the worry of my computer crashing. GREAT! I can use the fantom and reason semlessly....i can add a vocal and still work in reason. Trust me if you make music in reason this is great. For years you complain that you cant record in reason the propellerhead offers you record and all you do is complain! No its not cubase it aint meant to be. Its reason with the addition of audio like people been screaming for. Be a lil grateful and paitent people .....end of the day it aint the tools its the mechanic!

Franco, FutureMusic chose to reproduce comments from someone breaking an NDA or choosing to leak information. CDM was the first to produce information publicly, which meant I was able to communicate directly with Propellerhead's co-founder. To me, the ability to fact-check and make sure information is accurate (at least to the best of my ability - lord knows I make mistakes) is more important than speed. In fact, the couple of times I've mentioned a rumor I have wound up regretting it.

Funny, but didn't FutureMusic announce this a couple of weeks ago??

Propellerheads Set To Enter Digital Audio Workstation Market

I just read elsewhere that Record doesn't support MIDI out. Is that true? So no plug-ins and no MIDI out? What an odd little self-contained world.

Has any one hear any thing on pitch shifting I am only hearing about timestreching but what about the other.Can one shift the bass track from c to f ?

My take on it...

A cool nice looking offering. But not nearly enough that is new here to change the DAW game. A ripple at best in the current sea of existing DAWs.

A great release for existing Reason users IMO. But a serious option for users of other more feature rich hosts (of which there are more than a few)? No way IMO.

THE TEASER VIDEO...

The suprised and shocked reaction from people in the initial teaser video clearly was because they saw recording finally offered by Propellerheads. That must have been a genuinely truly massive shock. But something new and geuinely innovative? Game changer? Not really IMO. Not at all.

Propellerheads are extremely late to the recording table for DAWS. Very!

AS A REASON OWNER...

If I was a Reason user I would very likely buy it. But with cheaper DAW'a offering as much or even more features and crucially VST suppport, Record simply cannot compete with my current Host options.

PRICE...

Also one would need a Reason+Record combo to get the most out of it. Not cheap by any means compared to similar offerings at that combined price point.

It cannot compete with Sonar and Cubase for instance at that price. Even if it was cheaper it cannot better features from most hosts out there for more, as much or even less money.

TOO LITTLE TOO...

It would have been a huge deal about 5 years ago. Now it's nothing new at all IMO. The DAW market moves verry quickly indeed. Record clearly has its own Midi and Audio features so whatever the Props say it is most certainly a DAW and as a result will be compared to other MIDI + AUDIO hosts out there.

It's weaknesses (especially for the price) shows up very quickly IMO. Not much VFM here IMV.

yes...Record looks amazing.....and, yes....we can use more than one Daw...logic, live, reason...now with record....what else we can wish....and that mixer looks awesome...

Sound on Sound have published a longer exposition on the program and the props website have also added it.

Whoop-de-doo... I was excited when I saw the teaser video. Now, I'll think I'll just stick with Live.

i want to know what exactly those people in the video were getting so excited about.

like Mr Elbows above I feel underwhelmed.

Guys after explore new Prop's Record I can only say: BEAUTIFUL! Integrated with Reason it's THE musical environment! Yes, there are much powerful and professional DAW's but with Reason integrated into this it's No.1 for me! [and I don't create Hip hop or rock :))].

Rspekt!

I am sure CDM people are not the market they are after.

Rockers and Hip Hoppers. Not winky winky tweekys.

This looks like a great program for people in bands who want to do their own home recording, demos etc. More powerful than garageband and easier to get good-sounding results. Also good for experienced musicians who aren't too good with computers, the easy-to-use interface and the mixing console style view will make things easier to visualise for them.

However, to most people using DAWs currently, doing stuff in Record couldn't be anything other than a step down. It's just a less powerful version of what we've got at the moment. Nearly all of it's innovative features seem to be in the user interface. Which is awesome, but only works because they've simplified things to a high degree. For people that are experienced in DAWs (I know Record apparently isn't a DAW - but come on - past all the hype it's a program that allows you to manipulate digital audio - maybe specialised towards musical audio - but its still audio), they're gonna need more control over things.

So well done to Propellerhead for making a good garageband alternative, but it's not gonna set the world on fire. I didn't see anything that would make me say wow when watching the video. Apart from the comping interface, but I'm betting logic and protools will come out with something similar pretty soon.

To explain a previous post a bit more. The upgrade from ANY version of Reason to R4 is $129. To buy ReCord for R4 users is $149. I think lots of people whom only bought R1-3 will upgrade and buy ReCord. Or they can also buy both new for only $350 more.

Underwhelmed, but never mind, maybe it will be real useful for some people.

Minus one point for silly hype, and embargo's which didnt stop people posting stuff on youtube ahead of time.

When I first saw that little viral video of everyone being amazed in front of their laptops I was kind of excited being the geek that I am. But after checking out the video on their site it doesn't leave me the slightest bit impressed and a bit disappointed.

I'm not saying anything negative about it, as obviously I haven't used it but as someone stated earlier on, it seems alot like Garage Band. Nothing earth-shaking from the looks of it.

@Alex: Yes, but i think this is the "subtle" transition between Reason and a Propellerheads DAW, with all together.

Looking back on my last comment and on what they're offering, it's interesting to see what's on offer there. If the MIDI side of things is decent in terms of timing and MIDI fx, it looks like (amusingly condescending demo video aside) a good, simple alternative for the Reason lover who might wanna add a synth or two to his or her setup to sample etc.

That said, impatient chap I am, I wanna see a new version of Reason now with an improved mix engine of its own and improvements and features added to all the instruments. Then I'd happily give these babies a shot.

Like the fella said above, you can use more than one DAW...running Reason stuff through an effect in Reaktor or Guitar Rig or a nice sounding PSP tube emulation or EQ always seemed great to me. I would hope the Line 6 amp and effects models would be applicable to Reason's instruments also...nice bit of grit for your Nitzer Ebb bassline there...

Just saw the official vid. Extra points to the Props for lead singer comedy. :)

Starting with Rebirth, then on to Reason 1 thru 4, I have come to love what propellerhead seems to do better than any other developer; they virtually give you the hardware. Simulating the studio environment and the process of making music with unlimited pieces of hardware puts them in a unique category of software that I'd call "Studio Simulation"

What I see in the videos is another simulator, another piece of hardware to plug into. The question is whether or not you like the simulator... do you want to get your hands of a the console you never could afford? Maybe Live/Logic makes using the virtual hardware a waste of time. Personally I think this will surely be fun to play around with.

@Freak: No, "Record" is just another product from Propellerhead software which functions like a "basic" audio recorder and probably works together with Reason or not.

So Reason will be discontinued like Rebirth ?? :(

Now, please tell me..wasn't the "excitement" of the people in the teaser video fake??? I had this excitement the first time i saw Reason, but now its just a made up situation IMO...There is nothing there to get so excited about!!!

Attention Earth Sequencers!!

You may use more than one Daw. It is now allowed in all Earth states!!

You can go back and forth between them at any time for however long you choose. It is not required for you to give up anything at all!

In fact, We now allow you to use the best of any and all apps, in any way you choose.

Because you are unable to figure this out for yourselves, we felt this message was needed. Please now go back to your sequencing. Thank You.

based on the preview videos posted, it is a lovely program and you guys are going to hurt its feelings.

Sorry. For about $50 more then the asking price for Record, you can get Pro Tools 8 LE (which now has 48 stereo tracks!) bundled with an Mbox Mini.

No contest.

Oh this is GONNA get up to 100 comments.

I do quite like Reason as far as virtual instruments go. Thor is lovely, as is the Advanced Reverb. The little sequencers and arpeggiators can be fun, too.

My big question would be...for those using Reason with hardware, would ReCord and ReCycle be a means of MIDI sequencing and recording hardware synths and turning them into REX files etc?

There's a lot of mention re: the Audio side of things, but no one has really mentioned MIDI. There are plenty of people who use Reason as an instrument, alongside hardware synths etc for variety. Of course most of these people *would* have another DAW like Logic or Cubase for this purpose, but for those starting with Reason and then buying their first keyboard etc, it could be a good introduction to MIDI sequencing as well as audio recording. Arguably this isn't a huge necessity - if the time stretching is excellent, any tyro could play in their parts, and chop and stretch them as need be, but it'd be interesting to see if it was included.

Otherwise, as a post-production and audio-introduction "shell" for Reason, this is promising. I do hope that virtual desk sounds musical and warm and precise all at once... a lot of people I know who've tried Reason argue that it requires a lot of post-production EQing and compressing carefully to get it sounding "full," as though the software itself sacrifices a bit of resolution in the filters and depth of sound (some say it sounds a little compressed or "safe" or other such abstracts). Other people claim to use it professionally, though whether this is as a cute, quick sampling and sequencing tool within a Pro Tools rig or Logic setup or similar with nice outboard or plugs, I can't say for sure.

Otherwise, good for Props for giving a Prop-grown option to bring new material into their program without comprimising the stability. Some people are Reason freaks because it can be fun and quick, and interesting sounds are achievable in a fairly creative environment. I'm not certain VST support is the answer, or if they're correct in stating Reason sounds just as great as an equivalent rack of hardware, but a toy in the hands of a child is still a toy, a toy in the hands of a master is an amazing tool.

I think it'd be grand if Props bundle ReCycle in future editions of Reason (this was rumoured), adjust the layout a little, include a little more sample content and improve the sound engine and filters a bit. An FM module would be handy, as well, so would more Thor oscillators and filter types. Ie: rather than add a bunch of crazy new features, perhaps make the existing ones even better.

As for ReCord, perhaps future editions could be updated with more post production tools.

Just some thoughts. /ramble.

I am interested.

I did not like Ableton Live at first, but now I really love it.

I will wait and see

every one is so judgemental.

ableton does totally different stuff.

this looks like the propellerhead answer to garage band so far, but we only have the most miniscule amount of information to work with, so that could be completely wrong.

Beyond that we just have to wait..

re cord as patch cord ? new way to wire the thing?

can`t wait to see it

ABLETON LIVE FTW!!!

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I like Record though... Flavoured interfaces like Reason can really inspire you (though I resent its MIDI editing). Ableton's just really clean, and it really takes a good bit of getting used too.

Claude Ravel.yea you mightbe right as I love the way reason has it workflow.IT reminds me of being in a real studio.However a lot of people has thousands of dollars invested in vst plugins and we cannot just leave them all behind.REASON I love but they need to ioncorperate vst into the mix.The good thing is now one can do a full studio mix which is welcome.For my vst I can take a little instablity.REAON can PUT VST and put a not saying vst can cause a little instablity .

cheers for the link, Z - totally agree with you - horrible interface compared to Live - and seems over-priced for what it is.

If you're referring to piracy... how so?

So far no one has stated a likely huge win for the Props with this new app - Lots of "unregistered" users of Reason will very likely decide to become so.

I just watched a ten plus minute preview on the german site musotalk.de-

I hate to be a wet blanket, but, I see NOTHING in this software that thrills me. In fact, the constant window dragging up, down and every which way to get to mixer elements, etc. is a complete turn off. I'll look out for the specifics but, on first look I'm underwhelmed.

The schtick about the 'Something New' commercial is, those people thought they were in the room for a Burger K*ng ad! So if they think it's cool, well, i take their word for it!! They seem like honest people!!!

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