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	<title>Comments on: Raw: Wii Waggling Meets the Studio &#8211; in Gustavo Bravetti + David Amo + Julio Navas</title>
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		<title>By: Dicas até 21/11/09 &#8211; (Ableton, APC, Vestax, Iphone, Wii, Samples, Kontrol X1, Prodigy e Monome) &#171; www.ilankriger.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dicas até 21/11/09 &#8211; (Ableton, APC, Vestax, Iphone, Wii, Samples, Kontrol X1, Prodigy e Monome) &#171; www.ilankriger.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wii Waggling Meets the Studio – in Gustavo Bravetti + David Amo + Julio Navas (createdigitalmusic.com) &#8211; Apresentação de David Amo, Julio Navas e Gustavo Bravetti num &#8220;live&#8221; utilizando controladores dica de Wii por Affonsok; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wii Waggling Meets the Studio – in Gustavo Bravetti + David Amo + Julio Navas (createdigitalmusic.com) &#8211; Apresentação de David Amo, Julio Navas e Gustavo Bravetti num &#8220;live&#8221; utilizando controladores dica de Wii por Affonsok; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ernesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>ernesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the link didn&#039;t show up. here it is, Dirtyphonics Live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZjUMQdmpas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the link didn&#8217;t show up. here it is, Dirtyphonics Live:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZjUMQdmpas" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZjUMQdmpas</a></p>
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		<title>By: ernesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>ernesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>waoo!!!  people  can get in flames very quickly around here with things they like or dislike... I hope it&#039;s for good, music is a passion driven acitivity!  

1. I respect Gustavo&#039;s work, getting a crowd like that reunited in latin america, well that&#039;s HARDCORE!   it can only be the result of hard work and perseverance.

2. Even so, I do find the wiimote stuff a bit gimmicky... but &quot;sound&quot; wise. But  I don&#039;t care if he does it and wave his hands at the same time, I know he&#039;s working his act and not just putting a CD, like a trance act. 

3. Yet.... I like a lot the work of this french live act called Dirtyphonics... maybe it&#039;s my time to share it (no association with them whatsoever).  They keep their hands way too busy... but find some time for a proper hand waving :D

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZjUMQdmpas&quot; title=&quot;Dirtphonics Live&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>waoo!!!  people  can get in flames very quickly around here with things they like or dislike&#8230; I hope it&#8217;s for good, music is a passion driven acitivity!  </p>
<p>1. I respect Gustavo&#8217;s work, getting a crowd like that reunited in latin america, well that&#8217;s HARDCORE!   it can only be the result of hard work and perseverance.</p>
<p>2. Even so, I do find the wiimote stuff a bit gimmicky&#8230; but &#8220;sound&#8221; wise. But  I don&#8217;t care if he does it and wave his hands at the same time, I know he&#8217;s working his act and not just putting a CD, like a trance act. </p>
<p>3. Yet&#8230;. I like a lot the work of this french live act called Dirtyphonics&#8230; maybe it&#8217;s my time to share it (no association with them whatsoever).  They keep their hands way too busy&#8230; but find some time for a proper hand waving :D</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZjUMQdmpas" title="Dirtphonics Live" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: middleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>middleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just can&#039;t believe that that many people are watching that.  That is boring that.  That that that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just can&#8217;t believe that that many people are watching that.  That is boring that.  That that that.</p>
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		<title>By: Create Digital Music &#187; Wherein the Wii Waggle is Wanted: Two Other Game Music Control Mappings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Create Digital Music &#187; Wherein the Wii Waggle is Wanted: Two Other Game Music Control Mappings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] entirely up to you. I was honestly a bit surprised by some of the impassioned critical reactions to yesterday&#8217;s brief mention of the use of the Wiimote as a studio recording. Of course, that proves the creed of the blogger &#8211; post first, ask questions later, and when [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] entirely up to you. I was honestly a bit surprised by some of the impassioned critical reactions to yesterday&#8217;s brief mention of the use of the Wiimote as a studio recording. Of course, that proves the creed of the blogger &#8211; post first, ask questions later, and when [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kassen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,

Well, yes; I am critical of this, not in the lest because I believe CDM previously featured a similar performance by the same artist where the same gesture/controller was used so this didn&#039;t seem especially news-worthy to me.

I&#039;d also say that some of the comments above are phrased in ways I wouldn&#039;t phrase them since this is actually a very hard problem. With a stage and crowd that size it becomes a real challenge to convey what is going on to the audience. I do find it a bit lazy to make your performance consist of hand-waving behind a CD player or laptop but I also recognise that when you are in front of a few thousand people hand-waving is one of the few gestures that will come across.

Here is the start of me documenting my own setup;
http://bottomfeeder.ca/top/?page_id=9

If I do say so myself; that&#039;s taking live music quite far, but I also know very well that for venues that size I have no chance at all of making that come across to the audience in the same way that I do in smaller spots by simply putting my table on the dancefloor itself. As I noted above; I can certainly see where this angle came from but it doesn&#039;t go far enough for my tastes.

The one solution I see is using a overhead camera and a projection screen. This seems quite obvious as a solution as it&#039;s already quite common for singer-songwriters playing large stages. I fear that the reason why this doesn&#039;t happen is that many electronic artists aren&#039;t actually doing all that much on stage.

I&#039;m certainly not deleting any bookmarks; this is a important topic for debate and experimentation for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>Well, yes; I am critical of this, not in the lest because I believe CDM previously featured a similar performance by the same artist where the same gesture/controller was used so this didn&#8217;t seem especially news-worthy to me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also say that some of the comments above are phrased in ways I wouldn&#8217;t phrase them since this is actually a very hard problem. With a stage and crowd that size it becomes a real challenge to convey what is going on to the audience. I do find it a bit lazy to make your performance consist of hand-waving behind a CD player or laptop but I also recognise that when you are in front of a few thousand people hand-waving is one of the few gestures that will come across.</p>
<p>Here is the start of me documenting my own setup;<br />
<a href="http://bottomfeeder.ca/top/?page_id=9" rel="nofollow">http://bottomfeeder.ca/top/?page_id=9</a></p>
<p>If I do say so myself; that&#8217;s taking live music quite far, but I also know very well that for venues that size I have no chance at all of making that come across to the audience in the same way that I do in smaller spots by simply putting my table on the dancefloor itself. As I noted above; I can certainly see where this angle came from but it doesn&#8217;t go far enough for my tastes.</p>
<p>The one solution I see is using a overhead camera and a projection screen. This seems quite obvious as a solution as it&#8217;s already quite common for singer-songwriters playing large stages. I fear that the reason why this doesn&#8217;t happen is that many electronic artists aren&#8217;t actually doing all that much on stage.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly not deleting any bookmarks; this is a important topic for debate and experimentation for me.</p>
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		<title>By: tokoloten</title>
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		<dc:creator>tokoloten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also using the Wii, but in a much noisier way... ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3d8RG81v0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also using the Wii, but in a much noisier way&#8230; ;-)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3d8RG81v0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3d8RG81v0</a></p>
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		<title>By: mauxuam</title>
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		<dc:creator>mauxuam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is not techno !
not even my gradmama would dare to say that.
ye...Jeff Mills is techno ! and his dj set really rocks the house...or mr Maetrik.
I am sold...
anyone intersted in swapping a Wii with a 909 ?
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is not techno !<br />
not even my gradmama would dare to say that.<br />
ye&#8230;Jeff Mills is techno ! and his dj set really rocks the house&#8230;or mr Maetrik.<br />
I am sold&#8230;<br />
anyone intersted in swapping a Wii with a 909 ?<br />
:-)</p>
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		<title>By: cooptrol</title>
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		<dc:creator>cooptrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to give big kudos to fellow countryman Gustavo for having made a name for himself both for his tutorials and for his musical career. Although techno is not what I like most, I respect his approach to the business and his well proven skills. He has been doing this for long in a small country like ours whose musical market is tiny, and where it&#039;s very difficult to get something going on. Big ups Gustavo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to give big kudos to fellow countryman Gustavo for having made a name for himself both for his tutorials and for his musical career. Although techno is not what I like most, I respect his approach to the business and his well proven skills. He has been doing this for long in a small country like ours whose musical market is tiny, and where it&#8217;s very difficult to get something going on. Big ups Gustavo!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame the Fresco website doesn&#039;t work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame the Fresco website doesn&#8217;t work&#8230;</p>
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